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May 6, 2014 10:01:39   #
Mom8052 Loc: Lost in the mountains of New Mexico
 
Tasine wrote:
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And no foreign nation can intrude without our own politicians' complicity. If I can convince anybody that the problem is OUR CRIMINAL AND UNCONSTITUTIONALLY MINDED AND SELF CENTERED POLITICIANS who cause EVERY problem we have in our society, and we MUST stop v****g PARTYLINE. We must STOP THE CORRUPTION IN OUR CAPITAL.


Partyline???? I stopped v****g partyline, gee what good did that do me? We have people that for all the good it does us...lie to get into a position of power then put the screws on those whom v**ed them in. I am not a dumbass, however someone pulled the wool over mine eyes. Deceit is running ramppent in Washington, DC. My Aunt worked in the White House for more than 15 years. During that time HONESTY was paramount. Now, DISHONESTY is the name of the GAME, and we must accept it as NORM???? I think not. Let me share a letter that was sent to me recently. This man is telling like it is, Honest and Sincere. Now I wonder if he ever got a reply?

95 year old hero!
Letter To Obama at Whitehouse Sent from 95 year Old Pearl Harbor Survivor !!
Fantastic!!

This venerable and much honored WW II vet is well known in Hawaii for his seventy-plus years of service to patriotic organizationss and causes all over the country.

A humble man without a political bone in his body, he has never spoken out before about a government official, until now. He dictated this letter to a friend, signed it and mailed it to the president.

Dear President Obama,



My name is Harold Estes, approaching 95 on December 13 of this year. People meeting me for the first time don't believe my age because I remain wrinkle free and pretty much mentally alert.

I enlisted in the U.S. Navy in 1934 and served proudly before, during and after WW II retiring as a Master Chief Bos'n Mate. Now I live in a "rest home" located on the western end of Pearl Harbor , allowing me to keep alive the memories of 23 years of service
to my country.

One of the benefits of my age, perhaps the only one, is to speak my mind, blunt and direct even to the head man.

So here goes.

I am amazed, angry and determined not to see my country die before I do, but you seem hell bent not to grant me that wish.

I can't figure out what country you are the president of.
You fly around the world telling our friends and enemies despicable lies like:

" We're no longer a Christian nation"

" America is arrogant" - (Your wife even
announced to the world," America is mean- sp irited. " Please tell her to try preaching
that nonsense to 23 generations of our
war dead buried all over the globe who
died for no other reason than to free a
whole lot of strangers from tyranny and
hopelessness.)

I'd say shame on the both of you, but I don't think you like America, nor do I see an ounce of gratefulness in anything you do, for the obvious gifts this country has given you. To be without shame or gratefulness is a dangerous thing for a man sitting in the White House.

After 9/11 you said," America hasn't lived up to her ideals."

Which ones did you mean? Was it the notion of personal liberty that 11,000 farmers and shopkeepers died for to win independence from the British? Or maybe the ideal that no man should be a s***e to another man, that 500,000 men died for in the Civil War? I hope you didn't
mean the ideal 470,000 fathers, brothers, husbands, and a lot of fellas I knew personally died for in WWII, because we felt real strongly about not letting any nation push us around, because we stand for freedom.

I don't think you mean the ideal that says e******y is better than discrimination. You know the one that a whole lot of white people understood when they helped to get you elected.

Take a little advice from a very old geezer, young man.

Shape up and start acting like an American. If you don't, I'll do what I can to see you get shipped out of that fancy rental on Pennsylvania Avenue . You were elected to lead not to bow, apologize and kiss the hands of murderers and corrupt leaders who still treat their people like s***es.

And just who do you think you are telling the American people not to jump to conclusions and condemn that Muslim major who k**led 13 of his fellow soldiers and wounded dozens more. You mean you don't want us to do what you did when that white cop used force
to subdue that black college professor in Massachusetts , who was putting up a fight? You don't mind offending the police calling them stupid but you don't want us to offend Muslim fanatics by calling them what they are, terrorists.

One more thing. I realize you never served in the military and never had to defend your country with your life, but you're the Commander-in-Chief now, son. Do your job. When your battle-hardened field General asks you for 40,000 more troops to complete the mission, give them to him. But if you're not in this fight to win, then get out. The life of one American soldier is not worth the best political strategy you're thinking of.

You could be our greatest president because you face the greatest challenge ever presented to any president.

You're not going to restore American greatness by bringing back our bloated economy. That's not our greatest threat. Losing the heart and soul of who we are as Americans is our big fight now.

And I sure as hell don't want to think my president is the enemy in this final battle...

Sincerely,

Harold B. Estes
Snopes confirms as true:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/haroldestes.asp
When a 95 year old hero of the "the Greatest Generation" stands up and speaks out like this, I think we owe it to him to send his words to as many Americans as we can. Please
pass it on.

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May 6, 2014 10:04:45   #
Patty
 
Mom8052 wrote:
Partyline???? I stopped v****g partyline, gee what good did that do me? We have people that for all the good it does us...lie to get into a position of power then put the screws on those whom v**ed them in. I am not a dumbass, however someone pulled the wool over mine eyes. Deceit is running ramppent in Washington, DC. My Aunt worked in the White House for more than 15 years. During that time HONESTY was paramount. Now, DISHONESTY is the name of the GAME, and we must accept it as NORM???? I think not. Let me share a letter that was sent to me recently. This man is telling like it is, Honest and Sincere. Now I wonder if he ever got a reply?

95 year old hero!
Letter To Obama at Whitehouse Sent from 95 year Old Pearl Harbor Survivor !!
Fantastic!!

This venerable and much honored WW II vet is well known in Hawaii for his seventy-plus years of service to patriotic organizationss and causes all over the country.

A humble man without a political bone in his body, he has never spoken out before about a government official, until now. He dictated this letter to a friend, signed it and mailed it to the president.

Dear President Obama,



My name is Harold Estes, approaching 95 on December 13 of this year. People meeting me for the first time don't believe my age because I remain wrinkle free and pretty much mentally alert.

I enlisted in the U.S. Navy in 1934 and served proudly before, during and after WW II retiring as a Master Chief Bos'n Mate. Now I live in a "rest home" located on the western end of Pearl Harbor , allowing me to keep alive the memories of 23 years of service
to my country.

One of the benefits of my age, perhaps the only one, is to speak my mind, blunt and direct even to the head man.

So here goes.

I am amazed, angry and determined not to see my country die before I do, but you seem hell bent not to grant me that wish.

I can't figure out what country you are the president of.
You fly around the world telling our friends and enemies despicable lies like:

" We're no longer a Christian nation"

" America is arrogant" - (Your wife even
announced to the world," America is mean- sp irited. " Please tell her to try preaching
that nonsense to 23 generations of our
war dead buried all over the globe who
died for no other reason than to free a
whole lot of strangers from tyranny and
hopelessness.)

I'd say shame on the both of you, but I don't think you like America, nor do I see an ounce of gratefulness in anything you do, for the obvious gifts this country has given you. To be without shame or gratefulness is a dangerous thing for a man sitting in the White House.

After 9/11 you said," America hasn't lived up to her ideals."

Which ones did you mean? Was it the notion of personal liberty that 11,000 farmers and shopkeepers died for to win independence from the British? Or maybe the ideal that no man should be a s***e to another man, that 500,000 men died for in the Civil War? I hope you didn't
mean the ideal 470,000 fathers, brothers, husbands, and a lot of fellas I knew personally died for in WWII, because we felt real strongly about not letting any nation push us around, because we stand for freedom.

I don't think you mean the ideal that says e******y is better than discrimination. You know the one that a whole lot of white people understood when they helped to get you elected.

Take a little advice from a very old geezer, young man.

Shape up and start acting like an American. If you don't, I'll do what I can to see you get shipped out of that fancy rental on Pennsylvania Avenue . You were elected to lead not to bow, apologize and kiss the hands of murderers and corrupt leaders who still treat their people like s***es.

And just who do you think you are telling the American people not to jump to conclusions and condemn that Muslim major who k**led 13 of his fellow soldiers and wounded dozens more. You mean you don't want us to do what you did when that white cop used force
to subdue that black college professor in Massachusetts , who was putting up a fight? You don't mind offending the police calling them stupid but you don't want us to offend Muslim fanatics by calling them what they are, terrorists.

One more thing. I realize you never served in the military and never had to defend your country with your life, but you're the Commander-in-Chief now, son. Do your job. When your battle-hardened field General asks you for 40,000 more troops to complete the mission, give them to him. But if you're not in this fight to win, then get out. The life of one American soldier is not worth the best political strategy you're thinking of.

You could be our greatest president because you face the greatest challenge ever presented to any president.

You're not going to restore American greatness by bringing back our bloated economy. That's not our greatest threat. Losing the heart and soul of who we are as Americans is our big fight now.

And I sure as hell don't want to think my president is the enemy in this final battle...

Sincerely,

Harold B. Estes
Snopes confirms as true:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/haroldestes.asp
When a 95 year old hero of the "the Greatest Generation" stands up and speaks out like this, I think we owe it to him to send his words to as many Americans as we can. Please
pass it on.
Partyline???? I stopped v****g partyline, gee wha... (show quote)


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May 6, 2014 14:45:56   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
tdsrnest wrote:
Makes a lot of sense look at Sheltdon Addilson does anybody know that 58% of his money comes from his casinos in China. And he is putting up 125 million $ for the GOP now can somebody tell me that maybe China has no influence

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Never heard of him. But for balance, how much has the N**i enabler and thief of the Jewish people, benefactor is the Democrat Party, George Soros, donated to the Democrat Party throughout the years? I truly don't mind people posting amounts donated, but if one is posted, post all of them, post both parties. Soros has gained fame solely on his donations and his work for the Democrat Party. I've known of him for YEARS. Yet I've never heard of the person you say donated millions to the Republican Party. Funny, huh?

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May 6, 2014 15:40:22   #
Airforceone
 
Yes and to bad that generations is gone. Because this generation is based on lies and decite. Thank Bush Channey for that. Just lie and see what sticks. And after 9/11 why Saddam. He had no WMD's if he did Ronald Reagan sold them to him another GOP denial

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May 6, 2014 16:58:01   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
tdsrnest wrote:
Yes and to bad that generations is gone. Because this generation is based on lies and decite. Thank Bush Channey for that. Just lie and see what sticks. And after 9/11 why Saddam. He had no WMD's if he did Ronald Reagan sold them to him another GOP denial

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After 9/11 we went after the pod called a terrorist training camp in Iraq. It was there. WMD were there. They had quite a long time moving it out before we attacked the stronghold - we did not ATTACK Iraq. Dem congressmen who v**ed FOR the strike saw a great political advantage in starting a h**e Bush campaign. He OR Cheney are worth at least 5000 democrat politicians when it comes to straight talk, compassion, sensibilities, goodness, honor, and correctness.

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May 6, 2014 17:48:05   #
Airforceone
 
Tasine what ozone level are you on. Iraq was v**ed on because of false intel by Bush Channey and Rummsfeld. Iraq had UN inspectors in that country for 2 years and found nothing. The US inspectors told Channey they don't have them. Look at some of the declassified emails and documents that have been released. It was all about an oil grab by Channey and his buddies from Haliburton

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May 6, 2014 19:58:55   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
tdsrnest wrote:
Tasine what ozone level are you on. Iraq was v**ed on because of false intel by Bush Channey and Rummsfeld. Iraq had UN inspectors in that country for 2 years and found nothing. The US inspectors told Channey they don't have them. Look at some of the declassified emails and documents that have been released. It was all about an oil grab by Channey and his buddies from Haliburton

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Be very careful. You are in the twilight zone, BIG time!!

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May 6, 2014 22:15:04   #
Airforceone
 
Tasine wrote:
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Be very careful. You are in the twilight zone, BIG time!!


What the hell are you talking about what is wrong with you you have allowed the the right wing media to infiltrate your brain. You just can't see what the right wing media is saying and doing just fact check some of the extremist policies that they are saying. And you are falling right into there conspiracy bull. Stop and think and fact check. I was a Fox News watcher till I started to fact some of the crap they throw out there. I just can't believe how many people in this country don't fact check. Answer me one question had Fox News ever published the full smoking gun email or did they just show you one paragraph look at the full email and you will see they are lieing. And don 't threaten me. I don't scare to easy

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May 7, 2014 05:56:49   #
mongo Loc: TEXAS
 
tdsrnest wrote:
What the hell are you talking about what is wrong with you you have allowed the the right wing media to infiltrate your brain. You just can't see what the right wing media is saying and doing just fact check some of the extremist policies that they are saying. And you are falling right into there conspiracy bull. Stop and think and fact check. I was a Fox News watcher till I started to fact some of the crap they throw out there. I just can't believe how many people in this country don't fact check. Answer me one question had Fox News ever published the full smoking gun email or did they just show you one paragraph look at the full email and you will see they are lieing. And don 't threaten me. I don't scare to easy
What the hell are you talking about what is wrong ... (show quote)


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May 7, 2014 07:02:26   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
tdsrnest wrote:
What the hell are you talking about what is wrong with you you have allowed the the right wing media to infiltrate your brain. You just can't see what the right wing media is saying and doing just fact check some of the extremist policies that they are saying. And you are falling right into there conspiracy bull. Stop and think and fact check. I was a Fox News watcher till I started to fact some of the crap they throw out there. I just can't believe how many people in this country don't fact check. Answer me one question had Fox News ever published the full smoking gun email or did they just show you one paragraph look at the full email and you will see they are lieing. And don 't threaten me. I don't scare to easy
What the hell are you talking about what is wrong ... (show quote)

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I have no idea what Fox has or has not reported. I never watch Fox. Neither do I watch NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, CNN, MSNBC, nor any other TV "news". I take no newspapers and no magazines. I READ no newspapers or magazines. Everything I read or repeat is what I learn on the internet, and even that isn't assumed by me to be correct. But when incidences show up that sorta PROVE the report was correct, I feel comfortable supporting that piece of evidence. Why don't you try something aside from democrat lies? Additionally, I believe lots of things reported here are to get conversations going - you see, this too is a learning field. It is just that some people are averse to learning. Whom have you heard me "threaten"? And what did I threaten? I'm not usually the threatening sort, unless some piece of knowledge I impart "feels" threatening. Please get back with me and if apologies for any threats are in order, I'll be happy to apologize and otherwise set things right. And if you think I make threats and you don't like threats, I hope you will approach your master, Obama, and tell him to knock off HIS threats to the citizens of this country because large numbers of us are getting sick and tired of his imperial "Presidency". I wouldn't threaten you - I pity you in your ignorance.

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May 7, 2014 07:23:32   #
Patty
 
Tasine wrote:
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I have no idea what Fox has or has not reported. I never watch Fox. Neither do I watch NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, CNN, MSNBC, nor any other TV "news". I take no newspapers and no magazines. I READ no newspapers or magazines. Everything I read or repeat is what I learn on the internet, and even that isn't assumed by me to be correct. But when incidences show up that sorta PROVE the report was correct, I feel comfortable supporting that piece of evidence. Why don't you try something aside from democrat lies? Additionally, I believe lots of things reported here are to get conversations going - you see, this too is a learning field. It is just that some people are averse to learning. Whom have you heard me "threaten"? And what did I threaten? I'm not usually the threatening sort, unless some piece of knowledge I impart "feels" threatening. Please get back with me and if apologies for any threats are in order, I'll be happy to apologize and otherwise set things right. And if you think I make threats and you don't like threats, I hope you will approach your master, Obama, and tell him to knock off HIS threats to the citizens of this country because large numbers of us are getting sick and tired of his imperial "Presidency". I wouldn't threaten you - I pity you in your ignorance.
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May 7, 2014 09:46:05   #
Airforceone
 
Tasine wrote:
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I have no idea what Fox has or has not reported. I never watch Fox. Neither do I watch NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, CNN, MSNBC, nor any other TV "news". I take no newspapers and no magazines. I READ no newspapers or magazines. Everything I read or repeat is what I learn on the internet, and even that isn't assumed by me to be correct. But when incidences show up that sorta PROVE the report was correct, I feel comfortable supporting that piece of evidence. Why don't you try something aside from democrat lies? Additionally, I believe lots of things reported here are to get conversations going - you see, this too is a learning field. It is just that some people are averse to learning. Whom have you heard me "threaten"? And what did I threaten? I'm not usually the threatening sort, unless some piece of knowledge I impart "feels" threatening. Please get back with me and if apologies for any threats are in order, I'll be happy to apologize and otherwise set things right. And if you think I make threats and you don't like threats, I hope you will approach your master, Obama, and tell him to knock off HIS threats to the citizens of this country because large numbers of us are getting sick and tired of his imperial "Presidency". I wouldn't threaten you - I pity you in your ignorance.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ br I have no idea what Fox ... (show quote)


I can see with your comments that you try to get to the t***h but sometimes our ideological beliefs don't allow us to get to what's true and what's not. I believe that if we work together and try to get to the facts and use a little bit of common sense. You are interested in what's right and what's wrong with this country. So let's have a serious debate with 2 ideological beliefs and try to come to a common sense solution. Stop the comments about an imperialist administration and come up with facts. It's not what you hear it's what you can prove. So let's start a debate on v**er suppression.

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May 7, 2014 10:04:30   #
Patty
 
V****g was made completely irrelevant when the SCOTUS allowed our reps to be legally bought.
The court ruled that it is merely an exercise of free speech for oligarchs to purchase the US government (Citizens United v. Federal E******n Commission and McCutcheon v. Federal E******n Commission). A corrupt Supreme Court has invented a “constitutional right” for corporations and oligarchs to use their vast financial resources to form a government of their choosing.
The country is no longer a democratic e*******l republic but an Oligarchy. Discussing "v**er suppression" is a non issue and about 10-15 years too late.
Did you realize that our tax dollars through the DOJ were used to re-elect President Obama?
US Dept of Justice $540,636
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cid=N00009638
tdsrnest wrote:
I can see with your comments that you try to get to the t***h but sometimes our ideological beliefs don't allow us to get to what's true and what's not. I believe that if we work together and try to get to the facts and use a little bit of common sense. You are interested in what's right and what's wrong with this country. So let's have a serious debate with 2 ideological beliefs and try to come to a common sense solution. Stop the comments about an imperialist administration and come up with facts. It's not what you hear it's what you can prove. So let's start a debate on v**er suppression.
I can see with your comments that you try to get t... (show quote)

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May 7, 2014 11:22:49   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
tdsrnest wrote:
I can see with your comments that you try to get to the t***h but sometimes our ideological beliefs don't allow us to get to what's true and what's not. I believe that if we work together and try to get to the facts and use a little bit of common sense. You are interested in what's right and what's wrong with this country. So let's have a serious debate with 2 ideological beliefs and try to come to a common sense solution. Stop the comments about an imperialist administration and come up with facts. It's not what you hear it's what you can prove. So let's start a debate on v**er suppression.
I can see with your comments that you try to get t... (show quote)

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Rather than a debate, I'd rather just have a one on one discussion. And the v**er suppression isn't the most important thing in my view. In my view there is one overriding passion, one dominant facet of being an American that is under threat as I know threat, and those threatening that facet possibly are not aware of it. INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM, NOT to do as one pleases, but honestly obeying logical laws, and being left alone otherwise. That is how I see the Constitution. That is how I see the Bill of Rights. The pleasure of living life as I see fit - not as someone in DC sees fit, not as a neighbor sees fit, but as I see fit. For instance, do you see any lessening of any of our Bill of Rights? Or any possible threats to them? I sincerely hope you get back to me on this. :-)

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May 7, 2014 11:33:07   #
mongo Loc: TEXAS
 
Personally, I am s**k of all the Political Parties and would like to see one formed by people with common sense and a Constitutionally Conscious mind. They have all been influenced and corrupted by big corporations. Most can't even stand up without a corporations hand shoved up their nethers. (I have a better description but I'm trying to play nice)

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