Government or Single Payer Healthcare in USA? (Page 2): 1. The US has ten times the population of Canada , ratio1:10... 50,000 vs 250,000 is only a ratio of 1:5...Higher percentage of...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

buffalo wrote:

Less than 50,000 Canadians came to the US for medi... (show quote)

1. The US has ten times the population of Canada , ratio1:10... 50,000 vs 250,000 is only a ratio of 1:5...Higher percentage of canadians seek healthcare outside of the country than americans...
2. The waits for many non-Elective surgeties are horrible... My aunt waited for eighteen monthes for lung removal , the entire time knowing the cancer could spread... And just recently my grandmother was sent home after a twelve hour wait in the EU after experiencing a heart attack. She was told to return the next day but the doctor had already left and they couldn't keep her there without his signature.... These are Common stories where I am from... I have dozens of others...
3. I would never trade Canada's healthcare for america's. But that doesn't make it a shining example of a national healthcare system...

old marine Loc: America home of the brave

buffalo wrote:

Yes, health CARE is a right! If it is not a right,... (show quote)

The only cases of Canadisns coming to America for medical care are a few rich ones that need operations and the wsiting time is very long in Canada. A Canadian frind and customer needed s gallbladder surgery and the wait wss like a month so he csme to America snd hsd it done.
So sfter he returned to Csnsds he wss cslled by his doctor to schedule the operstion. This.msy be snd isolsted case i don't know for sure.

old marine Loc: America home of the brave

nwtk2007 wrote:

It's the same here. Not big differences here.

I hsd gallbladder surgery Thanksgiving day. Two dsys after being admitted to the hospital but that was because of my medical condition and irregular heart beat and age. A top surgeon was called in that did the surgery. I am fine, still a little weak but other wise fine.

buffalo Loc: Texas

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

1. The US has ten times the population of Canada ,... (show quote)

Not very good at math are you? .13% (see the point in front of the one?) and .08 are pretty similar percentages of Canadian and US citizens seeking medical care outside of their respective countries.

For every horror story you can come up with from Canada, there are a hundred horror stories from the US health CARE system.

And, as I stated, wait times for health CARE in the US can be forever if one cannot afford it.

I just believe that every US citizen should have access to and receive quality health CARE without worrying about going bankrupt trying to pay for it. Private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations DO NOT accomplish that.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

1. The US has ten times the population of Canada ,... (show quote)

There are even more horror stories associated with American healthcare. Anecdotes are simply that.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

buffalo wrote:

Not very good at math are you? .13% (see the point... (show quote)

My math is quite fine... Percentages may make it look like to things are similar , but the larger the number being represented the larger even small differences represent... Which was why I chose to use ratios to explain my point...

I will try again... A larger percent of individuals with socialized healthcare have chosen to seek help outside of their nation... This (in my opinion) demonstrates the flaws of such a healthcare system....

Healthcare and horror stories tend to go together... No one wins in this story telling contest...

I absolutely agree with you... Not just Americans but all people should have access to quality healthcare. And it should certainly be affordable for all social classes...

I believe a balance should be sought... Government subsidizing of medical expenditures and procedures, with the option to buy additional insurance if desired...

Would love to hear your ideas / possible solutions

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

My math is quite fine... Percentages may make it l... (show quote)

The thing is, for-profit healthcare is fraught with ethical issues. Medical necessity gets masked by the need to make money. We end up paying $20 for a cup of water, or $50,000 for something which took about 10 minutes, and then have to pay again for the facility, and the anesthesiologist, and the billing department, no to mention that we are having to pay for the insurance.

The fact is, the Canadian system is working very well.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

nwtk2007 wrote:

The thing is, for-profit healthcare is fraught with ethical issues. Medical necessity gets masked by the need to make money. We end up paying $20 for a cup of water, or $50,000 for something which took about 10 minutes, and then have to pay again for the facility, and the anesthesiologist, and the billing department, no to mention that we are having to pay for the insurance.

The fact is, the Canadian system is working very well.

Agreed... Ethics and for-profit healthcare are often at odds... I would never want to need medical services in the US... But having an underfunded , overworked system , which lacks the needed number of professionals is hardly my idea of "working well".
Admittedly , some areas are better than others.

buffalo Loc: Texas

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

Agreed... Ethics and for-profit healthcare are often at odds... I would never want to need medical services in the US... But having an underfunded , overworked system , which lacks the needed number of professionals is hardly my idea of "working well".
Admittedly , some areas are better than others.

CD, let me give you an anecdotal medical situation.

My brother has been and ER doctor on the Texas/Mexico border for over 25 years. He had a Canadian touring Mexico brought in to his ER having a heart "attack"/issue (I am not familar with medical terms) that was going to require a heart catheretization which meant shipping him to San Antonio as it couldn't be done in Del Rio. The Canadian government chartered a private jet to pick him up and fly him back to Canada for the procedure because it was cheaper to do that than have it done here in the US.

His wife is a Canadian RN and she says that Canada's medical system is way more ethical and cheaper than the US.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

buffalo wrote:

CD, let me give you an anecdotal medical situation... (show quote)

If we were all honest, there would be many more stories like that than the reverse. The only Canadian I ever spoke with who didn't like the Canadian system was a woman from Calgary. Her story was so over the top though, that I had a hard time believing she was being t***hful and she seemed to embellish it, a lot!.

buffalo Loc: Texas

nwtk2007 wrote:

If we were all honest, there would be many more stories like that than the reverse. The only Canadian I ever spoke with who didn't like the Canadian system was a woman from Calgary. Her story was so over the top though, that I had a hard time believing she was being t***hful and she seemed to embellish it, a lot!.

nwtk2007, I get tired of the repeated lies and myths about Canadians coming to the US for medical CARE en masse. THEY ARE NOT! All one has to do is google the Canadian admissions to major US hospitals along the US/Canadian border (the logical place the majority of them would come to) to prove that is a lie.

The majority of US citizens favor implementing a Medicare for All system. The private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations that fear losing their ability to rob and extort BILLIONS away from the US health CARE system and the shills and i***ts here that believe their bulls**t and lies have no clue.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

buffalo wrote:

nwtk2007, I get tired of the repeated lies and myt... (show quote)

I get tired of it as well.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

buffalo wrote:

CD, let me give you an anecdotal medical situation... (show quote)

I am having a difficult time finding a Canadian who believes this story... We are all very aware tgat when travelling in the States we need to buy medical insurance.... My cousin has an in-law who went without , was involved in a fairly serious car accident and was forced to re-morgage his home to pay for the medical costs... No private jet for him...

I alao do not believe that hordes of Canadians are crossing the border for medical care (we can't afford it)... But , by the numbers you provided, a larger percentage of Canadians do seek medical care outside the country...

Still hoping for feedback on my subsidization idea.

old marine Loc: America home of the brave

nwtk2007 wrote:

The thing is, for-profit healthcare is fraught with ethical issues. Medical necessity gets masked by the need to make money. We end up paying $20 for a cup of water, or $50,000 for something which took about 10 minutes, and then have to pay again for the facility, and the anesthesiologist, and the billing department, no to mention that we are having to pay for the insurance.

The fact is, the Canadian system is working very well.

The American people are getting ripped off by Doctors and pharmacists both.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

old marine wrote:

The American people are getting ripped off by Doctors and pharmacists both.

That is a fact.