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Dec 9, 2018 12:28:10   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Doc110 wrote:
01/16/2016 Mary: Ark of the New Covenant (Biblical Evidences)

Dave Armstrong
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2016/01/mary-ark-of-the-new-covenant-biblical-evidences.html
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/author/davearmstrong


Here are the actual biblical passages where this notion was drawn from (taken from the first draft of my upcoming book. 

Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths:
www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2009/03/books-by-dave-armstrong-biblical.html

Luke 1:35 (RSV)
And the angel said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.”

The Greek word for overshadow is episkiasei.

Which describes a bright, glorious cloud.

It is used with reference to the cloud of transfiguration of Jesus.
(Mt 17:5; Mk 9:7; Lk 9:34)

And also has a connection to the shekinah glory of God in the Old Testament.
(Ex 24:15-16; 40:34-38; 1 Ki 8:10).

Mary is, therefore, in effect, the new temple and holy of holies, where God was present in a special fashion.

In fact, Scripture draws many parallels between Mary, the “ark of the new covenant” and the ark of the (old) covenant:

Exodus 40:34-35 
Then the cloud covered the tent of meeting, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.

And Moses was not able to enter the tent of meeting, because the cloud abode upon it, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.

The Greek Septuagint translation uses the same word, episkiasei, in this passage.

1 Kings 8:6-11 
Then the priests brought the ark of the covenant of the LORD to its place, in the inner sanctuary of the house, in the most holy place, underneath the wings of the cherubim.

For the cherubim spread out their wings over the place of the ark, so that the cherubim made a covering above the ark and its poles.

And the poles were so long that the ends of the poles were seen from the holy place before the inner sanctuary;

But they could not be seen from outside;

And they are there to this day.

There was nothing in the ark except the two tables of stone which Moses put there at Horeb, where the LORD made a covenant with the people of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.

And when the priests came out of the holy place, a cloud filled the house of the LORD, so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud;

For the glory of the LORD filled the house of the LORD.



More direct parallels occur as well:

2 Samuel 6:9 
And David was afraid of the LORD that day; and he said, “How can the ark of the LORD come to me?”

Luke 1:43 
And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?


* * *
2 Samuel 6:15 
So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the LORD with shouting, and with the sound of the horn.

Luke 1:42 
And she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!”


* * *
2 Samuel 6:14, 16 
And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod. . . . King David leaping and dancing before the LORD . . .

1 Chronicles 15:29 

And as the ark of the covenant of the LORD came to the city of David, Michal the daughter of Saul looked out of the window, and saw King David dancing and making merry . . .

Luke 1:44 
For behold, when the voice of your greeting came to my ears, the babe in my womb leaped for joy.


* * *
2 Samuel 6:10-11 
So David was not willing to take the ark of the LORD into the city of David;

But David took it aside to the house of O’bed-e’dom the Gittite.

And the ark of the LORD remained in the house of O’bed-e’dom the Gittite three months . . .

Luke 1:39, 56 
In those days Mary arose and went with haste into the hill country, to a city of Judah, . . .

And Mary remained with her about three months, and returned to her home.


Further reflection on “holy places” and “holy items” brings out the meaning of the striking parallel symbolism.

The Temple and Tabernacle were holy, and this was especially the case with the holy of holies, where the ark was kept. God was said to dwell above the ark, between the two cherubim.
(Ex 25:22)

The presence of God always imparted holiness (Duet 7:6; 26:19; Jer 2:3).


The furnishings of the Tabernacle could not be touched by anyone, save a few priests, on pain of death.
(Num 1:51-53; 2:17; 4:15)

This was true of the holiest things, associated with God and worship of God. The high priest only entered the holy of holies once a year, on the Day of Atonement.
(Num 29:8)

The Jews would tie a rope to his leg in case he perished from improper behavior.
(Lev 16:2, 13)

So they could pull him out.

This was true of the ark itself.

Uzziah merely reached out to steady it when it was toppling over, and was struck dead.
(2 Samuel 6:2-7)

Others died when they simply looked inside of it .
(1 Sam 6:19; cf. Ex 33:20)

This is how God regards people and even inanimate objects that are in close proximity to Him.

Thus, Mary, as the ark of the new covenant, Theotokos (“bearer of God”):

The one who had the sublime honor of carrying God incarnate in her womb, had to be exceptionally holy to do so.


* * * * *

See also related materials:
Ark of the New Covenant (Patrick Madrid: This Rock, Dec. 1991)
https://web.archive.org/web/20100328001924/http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1991/9112fea1.asp

[all Internet Archive links]
https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1991/9112fea1.asp

The Blessed Virgin Mary (Scripture Catholic: see Section II)
www.scripturecatholic.com/blessed_virgin_mary.html

Mary, the Ark of the New Covenant (Steve Ray: This Rock, October 2005)
https://web.archive.org/web/20100305185944/http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0510fea5.asp

[all Internet Archive links]
https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0510fea5.aspv

Mary: The Ark of the New Covenant (Sonja Corbitt; Catholic Online)
www.catholic.org/hf/faith/story.php?id=34248
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Satanic doctrine of demons using references of "God the Father" in old Testament when God the father is "Spirit" and Jesus is man "God in the flesh"

The author writing to the gullible sheeple of the church, using scripture referring to "God the father" and applying to Jesus.


Lies, deception.

THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IS SATAN'S COUNTERFEIT CHURCH

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Dec 9, 2018 12:37:46   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IS SATAN'S COUNTERFEIT CHURCH

Doc110 is proving to be a tool for Satan, his dishonesty and lies have been well documented through several months of his post on this forum.

After his prophetic vision of the eternal glories of heaven at the end of the book of Revelation, the apostle John described how he was overwhelmed by what he’d seen.

And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. But he said to me, “Do not do that. I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book. Worship God.” (Revelation22:8-9)

The Roman Catholic Church has committed the same error as John, promoting a mere citizen of heaven to an improper place of authority and honor. Despite the overwhelming testimony of Scripture, the Catholic Church has elevated Mary—a self-described servant of the Lord (Luke 1:38)—to the same level as God, if not higher.

In his Ineffabilis Deus in 1854, Pope Pius IX established as dogma the immaculate conception of Mary, which preserved her from inheriting original sin. His concluding statements provide a good summary of the Catholic view of Mary.

Let all the children of the Catholic Church, who are so very dear to us, hear these words of ours. With a still more ardent zeal for piety, religion and love, let them continue to venerate, invoke and pray to the most Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God, conceived without original sin. Let them fly with utter confidence to this most sweet Mother of mercy and grace in all dangers, difficulties, needs, doubts and fears. Under her guidance, under her patronage, under her kindness and protection, nothing is to be feared; nothing is hopeless. Because, while bearing toward us a truly motherly affection and having in her care the work of our salvation, she is solicitous about the whole human race. And since she has been appointed by God to be the Queen of heaven and earth, and is exalted above all the choirs of angels and saints, and even stands at the right hand of her only-begotten Son, Jesus Christ our Lord, she presents our petitions in a most efficacious manner. What she asks, she obtains. Her pleas can never be unheard.

Those words are echoed and expanded on throughout Roman Catholic history. Tradition dictates that Mary is part of the monarchy of heaven, soliciting grace and mercy from the Lord on behalf of sinners, and covering sin by distributing from her Treasury of Merit. She became a co-redeemer with Christ in His suffering on the cross, and is now a co-mediator alongside Him in heaven—essentially an alternative avenue of access to God. She replaces the Holy Spirit in bestowing aid and comfort to believers. In effect, she becomes an additional member of the Trinity.

That blasphemy stands in sharp contrast to what Scripture actually says about Mary, and even what she says about herself. Luke 1:46-55 records her humble reaction to the news that she would give birth to the Son of God.

And Mary said: “My soul exalts the Lord, and my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior. For He has had regard for the humble state of His bondslave; for behold, from this time on all generations will count me blessed. For the Mighty One has done great things for me; and holy is His name. And His mercy is upon generation after generation toward those who fear Him. He has done mighty deeds with His arm; He has scattered those who were proud in the thoughts of their heart. He has brought down rulers from their thrones, and has exalted those who were humble. He has filled the hungry with good things; and sent away the rich empty-handed. He has given help to Israel His servant, in remembrance of His mercy, as He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and his descendants forever.”

The God she praised—the God of the Bible—does not need to be coaxed or wooed to distribute His blessings. He’s not harsh, distant, or indifferent—He’s gracious, righteous, and merciful. Rather than glorifying herself, she humbly worshiped the Lord.

Scripture actually has very little to say about Mary. There’s no description of her physical appearance, nothing about her life, her later years after Christ’s death, or her own death and burial. And when she does briefly appear with the disciples and the other believers on the day of Pentecost, she’s not an object of worship or even a leader in the early church—she’s just one among many. There simply are no biblical examples of anyone ever praying to her, honoring her, or venerating her.

Nor does she play a role in any biblical explanation of the gospel. Paul wrote a magnificent treatise on the doctrine of salvation that we know as the book of Romans, and all he said about the mother of Jesus is that she was “a descendent of David” (Romans 1:3). He’s even less specific in Galatians, another lengthy exposition of the pure, true gospel in which he simply said that Christ was “born of a woman” (Galatians 4:4).

Contrast that with the unending Catholic volumes on the life of Mary, the miracles of Mary, the death of Mary, the apparitions of Mary, and on and on it goes. That’s why it’s often a shock for Catholics to read the Bible and see how little is actually said about Mary.

But that’s what happens when you elevate tradition to the level of Scripture and ascribe to men the infallible characteristics that only belong to God.

This is only a partial text, use link for full text.

http://www.gty.org/library/blog/B130227/exposing-the-heresies-of-the-catholic-church-mary-worship

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Dec 9, 2018 13:30:00   #
Rose42
 
I just read some of that article by Dave Armstrong that is an excellent example of how Satan can twist scripture. All one has to do is read the Bible to see that this nonsense about Mary being the "ark of the new covenant" is ridiculous. Why don't more people just read it?

We should ask of Catholics why a perfect God would have left us an incomplete church (brought up earlier by Jack) and why it would take 2000 years for important doctrine to be revealed? It can't be logically explained in light of God's perfection.

The word overshadow in Luke 1:35 can not logically be used to justify this latest heresy. The verse isn't a vague allusion to some unrevealed mystery. This is similar to how the Mormons twist a verse to mean Jesus went to America. This is the verse - "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd." John 10:16. Satan is at work in both churches.

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Dec 9, 2018 13:52:14   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Rose42 wrote:
I just read some of that article by Dave Armstrong that is an excellent example of how Satan can twist scripture. All one has to do is read the Bible to see that this nonsense about Mary being the "ark of the new covenant" is ridiculous. Why don't more people just read it?

We should ask of Catholics why a perfect God would have left us an incomplete church (brought up earlier by Jack) and why it would take 2000 years for important doctrine to be revealed? It can't be logically explained in light of God's perfection.

The word overshadow in Luke 1:35 can not logically be used to justify this latest heresy. The verse isn't a vague allusion to some unrevealed mystery. This is similar to how the Mormons twist a verse to mean Jesus went to America. This is the verse - "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd." John 10:16. Satan is at work in both churches.
I just read some of that article by Dave Armstrong... (show quote)



Yes Rose Satan is hard working to counterfeit God's perfect church as established by Jesus and without need for changing or adding doctrine. This simple biblical truth should be enough to cause cult followers to ask questions. Satan also uses men and women to accomplish his goals in his hate towards mankind, battle with God to steal souls from redemption in Jesus.

Pope's in the Roman Catholic church are God on earth.
Members of the Mormon church can become gods.

The Roman Catholic church reduces and replaces the work Jesus did on the cross "it is finished"

Mormons reduce and replace the work Jesus did on the cross.

The Roman Catholic church adds ("oral traditions" man/pope) doctrines and teachings to the Bible and not found in the Bible.

The Mormon church adds (the book of Mormon /Joseph Smith) doctrine and teachings not found in the Bible.

Every cult has a leader that speaks for God or is a prophet/god that adds dictorin outside of God's word and justifies it by their own word and followers believe their words over God's written word the Bible.

Its sad to see them servents of Satan, or followers of herisey removed from eternal life with God..

God Bless

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Dec 9, 2018 14:32:23   #
bahmer
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Yes Rose Satan is hard working to counterfeit God's perfect church as established by Jesus and without need for changing or adding doctrine. This simple biblical truth should be enough to cause cult followers to ask questions. Satan also uses men and women to accomplish his goals in his hate towards mankind, battle with God to steal souls from redemption in Jesus.

Pope's in the Roman Catholic church are God on earth.
Members of the Mormon church can become gods.

The Roman Catholic church reduces and replaces the work Jesus did on the cross "it is finished"

Mormons reduce and replace the work Jesus did on the cross.

The Roman Catholic church adds ("oral traditions" man/pope) doctrines and teachings to the Bible and not found in the Bible.

The Mormon church adds (the book of Mormon /Joseph Smith) doctrine and teachings not found in the Bible.

Every cult has a leader that speaks for God or is a prophet/god that adds dictorin outside of God's word and justifies it by their own word and followers believe their words over God's written word the Bible.

Its sad to see them servents of Satan, or followers of herisey removed from eternal life with God..

God Bless
Yes Rose Satan is hard working to counterfeit God'... (show quote)


Amen and Amen

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Dec 10, 2018 22:25:48   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
Rose42,

Ok loudmouth. Just because you say is, Does not make is so Rose.

Either Present facts or shut the hell up.

Prove each and every verse is non Biblical


Luke 1:35 (RSV)
And the angel said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.”

The Greek word for overshadow is episkiasei.

Which describes a bright, glorious cloud.

It is used with reference to the cloud of transfiguration of Jesus.
(Mt 17:5; Mk 9:7; Lk 9:34)

And also has a connection to the shekinah glory of God in the Old Testament.
(Ex 24:15-16; 40:34-38; 1 Ki 8:10).

Mary is, therefore, in effect, the new temple and holy of holies, where God was present in a special fashion.

In fact, Scripture draws many parallels between Mary, the “ark of the new covenant” and the ark of the (old) covenant:

Exodus 40:34-35
Then the cloud covered the tent of meeting, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.

And Moses was not able to enter the tent of meeting, because the cloud abode upon it, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.

The Greek Septuagint translation uses the same word, episkiasei, in this passage.

1 Kings 8:6-11
Then the priests brought the ark of the covenant of the LORD to its place, in the inner sanctuary of the house, in the most holy place, underneath the wings of the cherubim.

For the cherubim spread out their wings over the place of the ark, so that the cherubim made a covering above the ark and its poles.

And the poles were so long that the ends of the poles were seen from the holy place before the inner sanctuary;

But they could not be seen from outside;

And they are there to this day.

There was nothing in the ark except the two tables of stone which Moses put there at Horeb, where the LORD made a covenant with the people of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.

And when the priests came out of the holy place, a cloud filled the house of the LORD, so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud;

For the glory of the LORD filled the house of the LORD.



More direct parallels occur as well:

2 Samuel 6:9
And David was afraid of the LORD that day; and he said, “How can the ark of the LORD come to me?”

Luke 1:43
And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?


* * *
2 Samuel 6:15
So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the LORD with shouting, and with the sound of the horn.

Luke 1:42
And she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!”


* * *
2 Samuel 6:14, 16
And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod. . . . King David leaping and dancing before the LORD . . .

1 Chronicles 15:29

And as the ark of the covenant of the LORD came to the city of David, Michal the daughter of Saul looked out of the window, and saw King David dancing and making merry . . .

Luke 1:44
For behold, when the voice of your greeting came to my ears, the babe in my womb leaped for joy.


* * *
2 Samuel 6:10-11
So David was not willing to take the ark of the LORD into the city of David;

But David took it aside to the house of O’bed-e’dom the Gittite.

And the ark of the LORD remained in the house of O’bed-e’dom the Gittite three months . . .

Luke 1:39, 56
In those days Mary arose and went with haste into the hill country, to a city of Judah, . . .

And Mary remained with her about three months, and returned to her home.


Further reflection on “holy places” and “holy items” brings out the meaning of the striking parallel symbolism.

The Temple and Tabernacle were holy, and this was especially the case with the holy of holies, where the ark was kept. God was said to dwell above the ark, between the two cherubim.
(Ex 25:22)

The presence of God always imparted holiness (Duet 7:6; 26:19; Jer 2:3).


The furnishings of the Tabernacle could not be touched by anyone, save a few priests, on pain of death.
(Num 1:51-53; 2:17; 4:15)

This was true of the holiest things, associated with God and worship of God. The high priest only entered the holy of holies once a year, on the Day of Atonement.
(Num 29:8)

The Jews would tie a rope to his leg in case he perished from improper behavior.
(Lev 16:2, 13)

So they could pull him out.

This was true of the ark itself.

Uzziah merely reached out to steady it when it was toppling over, and was struck dead.
(2 Samuel 6:2-7)

Others died when they simply looked inside of it .
(1 Sam 6:19; cf. Ex 33:20)

This is how God regards people and even inanimate objects that are in close proximity to Him.

Thus, Mary, as the ark of the new covenant, Theotokos (“bearer of God”):

The one who had the sublime honor of carrying God incarnate in her womb, had to be exceptionally holy to do so.

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Dec 11, 2018 01:55:33   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
Rose 42

Only once will I play your Straw-Man Game.

So Eat Protestant Crow . . . On the Historical and Catholic Church's 1,987 year written, oral traditions of "Mary, the Mother of God."


rose42 You are so full of Protestant Compost hog-wallop . . . and the Straw-Man method of diverting Protestant lies . . .

I'm going to prove you wrong by the written historical accounts and art work.

By the way, firstly Catholics distinguish veneration from worship. Catholics ("Do-Not worship Mary") as in your false "Thick-headed" delusional Protestant mind.



Now rose42 then it's your chance to disprove the Historical, Catholic Church Traditions and Biblical Cannon narratives.


1. Early art work, Marian veneration . . .

The Catacomb of Priscilla are an archaeological site on the Via Salaria in Rome, Italy.

Situated in what was a quarry in Roman times. This quarry was used for Christian burials from the late 2nd century through the 4th century. AD 100 to 300 AD.


Mary's role in salvation and redemption. Artwork; The Virgin Mary from the Ghent Altarpiece, AD 1432



2. Development of Marian doctrines
The theological development of devotion to Mary begins with Saint Justin Martyr (100–165) who articulated Mary’s role in salvation history as the Second Eve.[53]

This was followed up by Saint Irenæus, whom Herbert Thurston calls "the first theologian of the Virgin Mother".[16]

The Church's magisterium has identified four teachings about Mary as dogmas of faith.

These include belief in her virginal conception of Jesus, taught by the First Council of Nicaea in 325.

The Council of Ephesus in 431 applied to her the description "Mother of God", (Theotokos).

The perpetual virginity of Mary was taught by the ecumenical Second Council of Constantinople in 553,
which described her as "ever virgin", and was expressed also, by the Lateran synod of October 649,[54]

The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception states that from the first moment of her existence Mary was without original sin.[55]

This doctrine was proclaimed a dogma ex cathedra by Pope Pius IX in 1854.

The dogma of the Assumption of Mary, defined by Pope Pius XII in 1950, states that, at the end of her earthly life, she was assumed into heavenly glory body and soul.,



3. The practice of invoking the aid of the Mother of Christ had become more familiar to the faithful some time before any expression of it in the writings of the Early Church Fathers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veneration_of_Mary_in_the_Catholic_Church

Early Christians' love for Mary intuited, frequently in anticipation, certain aspects of the mystery of the Blessed Virgin, calling the attention of theologians and pastors to them.[17] Venerative and devotional practices have often preceded formal theological declarations by the Catholic Magisterium Church.

The veneration of the Blessed Virgin takes place in various ways.

a. Marian prayers and hymns usually begin with praise of her,

b. Followed by petitions.[19]

The number of Marian titles continued to grow as of the 3rd century, and many titles existed by the 5th century, growing especially during the Middle Ages.[20]
Saint Hippolytus of Rome being an early example.[59][64]

Saint Ambrose, who lived in Rome before going to Milan as its bishop, venerated Mary as an example of Christian life and is credited with starting a Marian cult of virginity in the 4th century.[65]

Marian veneration was theologically sanctioned with the adoption of the title Theotokos at the Council of Ephesus in 431.

The earliest known churches dedicated to Mary were built shortly after that date, among these the Church of the Seat of Mary (Kathisma) near Mar Elias Monastery, between Jerusalem and Bethlehem.

The first Marian churches in Rome date from the 5th and 6th centuries: Santa Maria in Trastevere, Santa Maria Antiqua and Santa Maria Maggiore.[16]

However, the very earliest church dedicated to the Virgin Mary still dates to the late 4th century in Syria,[dubious – discuss] where[clarification needed] an inscription dedicating it to the Theotokos (Mother of God) was found among the ruins


4. Theological and written basis for the veneration of Mary

a. Veneration for Mary is based on the reference in the Gospel of Luke to Mary as the selected handmaid of the Lord.
b. Who is greeted and praised by both Elizabeth and the angel Gabriel.
c. God's work is further illuminated in the Marian dogmas of the Roman Catholic Church such as the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption, and are, in the Roman Catholic
view, part of the apostolic tradition and divine revelation.[21][22] Catholics distinguish veneration from worship.


5. One of the components of the Catholic veneration of Mary is the focus on her participation in the processes of salvation and redemption.[23]

Roots of Marian Devotion Go Back to Old Testament . . . Main Objections That non-Catholics Present Against Marian Doctrine and Devotion ?
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-143402-1.html
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=4549

Marian devotion, The Oldest Hymn to Mary: Written between 250 and 300 A.D. Pre-dates the Hail Mary Prayer
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-120605-1.html
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/2015/11/the-oldest-hymn-to-mary.html?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/the-oldest-hymn-to-mary
http://silouanthompson.net/2014/03/oldest-hymn-to-the-theotokos/
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/2012/04/the-problem-with-primitivism.html

Why Did It Take So Long For The Catholic Church To Officially Define The Dogma of the Immaculate Conception Of The Blessed Virgin Mary?
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-142864-1.html

Martin Luther’s Devotion to . . . Mary the Mother of God, Jesus Her Son.
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-142767-1.html

What Does Mary’s Assumption Have To Do with Us?
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-141876-1.html



6. Mary's role in salvation and redemption
This has been explored by such writers as Edward Schillebeeckx and Adrienne von Speyr.[24][25]

One of the components of the Catholic veneration of Mary is the focus on her participation in the processes of salvation and redemption.[23] This has been explored by such writers as Edward Schillebeeckx and Adrienne von Speyr.[24][25]

John's Gospel records her presence at the beginning and end of his public life. Particularly significant is Mary's presence at the Cross, when she received from her dying Son the charge to be mother to the beloved disciple and, in him, to all Christians.[17] The Acts of the Apostles expressly numbers the Mother of Jesus among the women of the first community awaiting Pentecost. John Eudes wrote that: "The Virgin Mary began to cooperate in the plan of salvation, from the moment she gave her consent to the Incarnation of the Son of God".[26]

Lumen gentium, the 1964 Dogmatic Constitution of the Church recognized, "...all the salvific influence of the Blessed Virgin on men originates, not from some inner necessity, but from the divine pleasure. It flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on His mediation, depends entirely on it and draws all its power from it."[27] In a singular way she cooperated by her obedience, faith, hope, and burning charity in the work of the Savior in giving back supernatural life to souls. "Wherefore she is our mother in the order of grace."[28]

One of the first scholars to offer theological foundations on the subject of the Immaculate Conception was the Franciscan Duns Scotus who developed the concept that Mary was preserved from sin by the redemptive virtue of Jesus.[29][30][31] Devotions to and the veneration of the Virgin Mary continued to spread, as she came to be seen as the helpful mother of Christians, and by the 15th century these practices had oriented many Catholic devotions.[32]

7. Liturgical aspects
In the first three centuries the emphasis was on the veneration of martyrs, as a continuation of the yearly celebrations of their death, e.g. as noted in the early Christian text on the Martyrdom of Polycarp.[57]

In the Eastern traditions Mariology developed through liturgical veneration within the framework of the feasts relative to the Incarnation.[58] In the early part of the 3rd century, Hippolytus of Rome recorded the first liturgical reference to the Virgin Mary, as part of the ordination rite of a bishop.[59] Marian feasts appeared in the 4th century, and the feast of the "Memory of Mary, Mother of God" was celebrated on August 15 in Jerusalem by the year 350.[59][60]


The Roman Catholic liturgy is one of the most important elements of Marian devotions.

Many Marian feasts are superior to the feast days of the saints. The liturgical texts of the Marian feast days all link Mary to Jesus Christ.

John's Gospel records her presence at the beginning and end of his public life.

Particularly significant is Mary's presence at the Cross, when she received from her dying Son the charge to be mother to the beloved disciple and, in him, to all Christians.[17]

The Acts of the Apostles expressly numbers the Mother of Jesus among the women of the first community awaiting Pentecost.

John Eudes wrote that: "The Virgin Mary began to cooperate in the plan of salvation, from the moment she gave her consent to the Incarnation of the Son of God".[26]

One of the first scholars to offer theological foundations on the subject of the Immaculate Conception was the Franciscan Duns Scotus.
23 December 1265 and 17 March 1266

Who developed the concept that Mary was preserved from sin by the redemptive virtue of Jesus.[29][30][31] Devotions to and the veneration of the Virgin Mary continued to spread, as she came to be seen as the helpful mother of Christians, and by the 15th century these practices had oriented many Catholic devotions.


Growth of Marian culture
Santa Maria Maggiore, the first Marian church in Rome, originally built between 430 and 440.[67]

In the early Middle Ages, veneration of Mary was particularly expressed in monasteries, especially those of the Benedictines. Chants such as Ave Maris Stella and the Salve Regina emerged and became staples of monastic plainsong.[68]

In the 8th century, The Little Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary developed from the monks' practice of praying the Canonical hours.

The Carolingians encouraged Marian piety by the celebration of Marian feast days and the dedication of churches in her honor.[53] Devotional practices grew in number.

The Romanesque period saw the construction of major Marian churches, such as Speyer Cathedral (also known as the Mariendom) in Speyer, Germany, and Our Lady of Flanders Cathedral in Tournai, Belgium. From the year 1000 onward more and more churches, including many of Europe's greatest cathedrals were dedicated to Mary. Gothic cathedrals, such as Notre Dame de Paris as well as Our Lady of Chartres near Paris, were major masterworks of the time. Construction of Santa Maria Assunta Cathedral in Siena, Italy and Notre-Dame Cathedral, Luxembourg increased the number of churches devoted to the Virgin Mary.

The 12th and 13th centuries saw an extraordinary growth of the cult of the Virgin in Western Europe, inspired in part by the writings of theologians such as Bernard of Clairvaux. The movement found its grandest expression in the French cathedrals, often dedicated to “Our Lady", such as Notre-Dame de Paris and Notre-Dame de Bayeux among others.[69] Walsingham and other places of Marian pilgrimage developed large popular followings. At the height of the pilgrimage movement in the 11th and 12th centuries, hundreds of people were traveling almost constantly from one Marian shrine to the next.[70]

However, at the same time new Marian devotions were starting in Latin America based on Saint Juan Diego's 1531 reported vision of Our Lady of Guadalupe. The ensuing Marian pilgrimages have continued to date and the Marian Basilica on Tepeyac Hill remains the most visited Catholic shrine in the world.[74] In the 17th and 18th centuries writings by the saints, coupled with papal encouragements, increased the growth of Marian devotions, and gave rise to the definition and declaration of new Marian doctrines.[75]

Marian culture continues to develop within the Catholic Church. In 1974, after 4 years of preparation, Pope Paul VI issued the Apostolic Letter Marialis Cultus. In this document, (which was subtitled For the Right Ordering and Development of Devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary) Paul VI not only discussed the history of Marian devotions but also overviewed their rationale and provided suggestions for their future direction, emphasising their theological and pastoral value.


Catholic view of Marian apparitions

Many Marian apparition have been reported by believers, including Our Lady of Lourdes, Our Lady of Guadalupe, and Our Lady of Fatima.[144][145][146]

In some cases (e.g. Saint Padre Pio or Sister Maria Pierina De Micheli) these have involved visions of Jesus and Mary and sometimes include a spoken element.

The official position of the Holy See is that while the Holy Office has approved a few apparitions of the Virgin Mary, Roman Catholics at large are not required to believe them.

However, many Catholics express belief in Marian apparitions.[147]

This has included popes, e.g. four popes, i.e. Pope Pius XII, Pope John XXIII, Pope Paul VI, and Pope John Paul II have supported the Our Lady of Fátima messages as supernatural.

Pope John Paul II was particularly attached to Fátima and credited Our Lady of Fátima with saving his life after he was shot in Rome on the Feast Day of Our Lady of Fátima in May 1981.

He donated the bullet that wounded him on that day to the Roman Catholic sanctuary at Fátima Portugal.[144][148][149]

As a historical pattern, Vatican approval seems to have followed general acceptance of a vision by well over a century in most cases.

According to Father Salvatore M. Perrella of the Mariunum Pontifical Institute in Rome, of the 295 reported apparitions studied by the Holy See through the centuries only 12 have been approved, the latest being in May 2008



Rose42 wrote:


Proof biblically? It's been shown and proven so many times -biblically - how and why praying to Mary is idol worship. Read.

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Dec 11, 2018 01:56:54   #
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Rose you are so full of Protestant Compost Hog wallop . . . .

Rose42 wrote:


I just read some of that article by Dave Armstrong that is an excellent example of how Satan can twist scripture. All one has to do is read the Bible to see that this nonsense about Mary being the "ark of the new covenant" is ridiculous. Why don't more people just read it?

We should ask of Catholics why a perfect God would have left us an incomplete church (brought up earlier by Jack) and why it would take 2000 years for important doctrine to be revealed? It can't be logically explained in light of God's perfection.

The word overshadow in Luke 1:35 can not logically be used to justify this latest heresy. The verse isn't a vague allusion to some unrevealed mystery. This is similar to how the Mormons twist a verse to mean Jesus went to America. This is the verse - "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd." John 10:16. Satan is at work in both churches.
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Dec 11, 2018 01:59:48   #
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Another Protestant sycophant

Conjecture, Protestant Compost Hog wallop . . . .

Straw-Man Fallacy Opinions

Respond with facts, Facts, FACTs, no Supposition's, Innuendo's, Exaggeration's of your own Personal Emotional Belief's, Hypocritical Truth's, Empty Rhetoric devoid of Real Factual Substance and full of Regurgitated Dendrite Compost Opinions.

Is that all you can do. You cant disprove anything, its so laughable.

jack sequim wa wrote:


Yes Rose Satan is hard working to counterfeit God's perfect church as established by Jesus and without need for changing or adding doctrine. This simple biblical truth should be enough to cause cult followers to ask questions. Satan also uses men and women to accomplish his goals in his hate towards mankind, battle with God to steal souls from redemption in Jesus.

Pope's in the Roman Catholic church are God on earth.
Members of the Mormon church can become gods.

The Roman Catholic church reduces and replaces the work Jesus did on the cross "it is finished"

Mormons reduce and replace the work Jesus did on the cross.

The Roman Catholic church adds ("oral traditions" man/pope) doctrines and teachings to the Bible and not found in the Bible.

The Mormon church adds (the book of Mormon /Joseph Smith) doctrine and teachings not found in the Bible.

Every cult has a leader that speaks for God or is a prophet/god that adds dictorin outside of God's word and justifies it by their own word and followers believe their words over God's written word the Bible.

Its sad to see them servents of Satan, or followers of herisey removed from eternal life with God..

God Bless
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Dec 11, 2018 02:01:42   #
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Ah the prodigal Protestant sycophant dog-pile lap dog returns.


bahmer wrote:


Amen and Amen

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Dec 11, 2018 02:17:53   #
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Jack.

How cute . . . The Protestant straw-Man Game once again and the "Protestant Big-Lie.


Keep on repeating it enough, I equate your Protestantism to liberal socialism Nazism.

Jack you and Rise42 happen to be the lead propaganda person on the OPP Religious forum

How personally despicable and religiously un-Christian disingenuous,


No matter how you try with your Religious protestant hog-wallop compost, I still keep on proving you wrong with your compost charades . . .

Jack is the all you can come up with and repeat fake nonsense.


My, My, . . . Trying to equate the Catholic Church Founded By Jesus Christ as a Cult.

Then you try to combine Mormonism and Catholicism as a Cult.

How special, what a complete laughable Non-Sequitur fallacy statement.

You're so boring jack with all these ignorant fallacies.


And yet can't produce any credible facts

Respond with facts, Facts, FACTs, no Supposition's, Innuendo's, Exaggeration's of your own Personal Emotional Belief's, Hypocritical Truth's, Empty Rhetoric devoid of Real Factual Substance and full of Regurgitated Dendrite Compost Opinions


jack sequim wa wrote:


Yes Rose Satan is hard working to counterfeit God's perfect church as established by Jesus and without need for changing or adding doctrine.


This simple biblical truth should be enough to cause cult followers to ask questions.

Satan also uses men and women to accomplish his goals in his hate towards mankind, battle with God to steal souls from redemption in Jesus.

Pope's in the Roman Catholic church are God on earth.


Members of the Mormon church can become gods.


The Roman Catholic church reduces and replaces the work Jesus did on the cross "it is finished"

Mormons reduce and replace the work Jesus did on the cross.

The Roman Catholic church adds ("oral traditions" man/pope) doctrines and teachings to the Bible and not found in the Bible.

The Mormon church adds (the book of Mormon /Joseph Smith) doctrine and teachings not found in the Bible.

Every cult has a leader that speaks for God or is a prophet/god that adds dictorin outside of God's word and justifies it by their own word and followers believe their words over God's written word the Bible.

Its sad to see them servents of Satan, or followers of herisey removed from eternal life with God..

God Bless
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Dec 11, 2018 02:29:46   #
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Rose-42,

Satan is in your voice and mind Rose . . . .

Just like Dave Armstrong, and Cardinal Henry Newman, protestant converts to the One True Church Founded by Jesus Christ.

Both of the, they see how you ignorant protestants, twist your Man-Made Sola Scriptura theology by Martin Luther.

They both fully understand all Protestant flaws in the literal biblical self-interpretation of the Bible.

And how you got it all wrong. Loving it . . .


Going to post more articles on how flawed, Your protestant faith really works, and how false their doctrines of Sola Scriptura it really is.

The Protestants 30,000 are all dead false religions . . .

To be deep in History is to cease being Protestant
Cardinal Henry Newman convert to Catholicism



Rose42 wrote:


I just read some of that article by Dave Armstrong that is an excellent example of how Satan can twist scripture.

All one has to do is read the Bible to see that this nonsense about Mary being the "ark of the new covenant" is ridiculous.

Why don't more people just read it?

We should ask of Catholics why a perfect God would have left us an incomplete church (brought up earlier by Jack) and why it would take 2000 years for important doctrine to be revealed?

It can't be logically explained in light of God's perfection.

The word overshadow in Luke 1:35 can not logically be used to justify this latest heresy.

The verse isn't a vague allusion to some unrevealed mystery.

This is similar to how the Mormons twist a verse to mean Jesus went to America. T

his is the verse - "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd."
John 10:16.

Satan is at work in both churches.
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Dec 11, 2018 02:31:06   #
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jack,


More Hog-Wallop compost Straw-man Fallacies.

jack sequim wa wrote:


ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IS SATAN'S COUNTERFEIT CHURCH

Doc110 is proving to be a tool for Satan, his dishonesty and lies have been well documented through several months of his post on this forum.

After his prophetic vision of the eternal glories of heaven at the end of the book of Revelation, the apostle John described how he was overwhelmed by what he’d seen.

And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. But he said to me, “Do not do that. I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book. Worship God.” (Revelation22:8-9)

The Roman Catholic Church has committed the same error as John, promoting a mere citizen of heaven to an improper place of authority and honor. Despite the overwhelming testimony of Scripture, the Catholic Church has elevated Mary—a self-described servant of the Lord (Luke 1:38)—to the same level as God, if not higher.

In his Ineffabilis Deus in 1854, Pope Pius IX established as dogma the immaculate conception of Mary, which preserved her from inheriting original sin. His concluding statements provide a good summary of the Catholic view of Mary.

Let all the children of the Catholic Church, who are so very dear to us, hear these words of ours. With a still more ardent zeal for piety, religion and love, let them continue to venerate, invoke and pray to the most Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God, conceived without original sin. Let them fly with utter confidence to this most sweet Mother of mercy and grace in all dangers, difficulties, needs, doubts and fears. Under her guidance, under her patronage, under her kindness and protection, nothing is to be feared; nothing is hopeless. Because, while bearing toward us a truly motherly affection and having in her care the work of our salvation, she is solicitous about the whole human race. And since she has been appointed by God to be the Queen of heaven and earth, and is exalted above all the choirs of angels and saints, and even stands at the right hand of her only-begotten Son, Jesus Christ our Lord, she presents our petitions in a most efficacious manner. What she asks, she obtains. Her pleas can never be unheard.

Those words are echoed and expanded on throughout Roman Catholic history. Tradition dictates that Mary is part of the monarchy of heaven, soliciting grace and mercy from the Lord on behalf of sinners, and covering sin by distributing from her Treasury of Merit. She became a co-redeemer with Christ in His suffering on the cross, and is now a co-mediator alongside Him in heaven—essentially an alternative avenue of access to God. She replaces the Holy Spirit in bestowing aid and comfort to believers. In effect, she becomes an additional member of the Trinity.

That blasphemy stands in sharp contrast to what Scripture actually says about Mary, and even what she says about herself. Luke 1:46-55 records her humble reaction to the news that she would give birth to the Son of God.

And Mary said: “My soul exalts the Lord, and my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior. For He has had regard for the humble state of His bondslave; for behold, from this time on all generations will count me blessed. For the Mighty One has done great things for me; and holy is His name. And His mercy is upon generation after generation toward those who fear Him. He has done mighty deeds with His arm; He has scattered those who were proud in the thoughts of their heart. He has brought down rulers from their thrones, and has exalted those who were humble. He has filled the hungry with good things; and sent away the rich empty-handed. He has given help to Israel His servant, in remembrance of His mercy, as He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and his descendants forever.”

The God she praised—the God of the Bible—does not need to be coaxed or wooed to distribute His blessings. He’s not harsh, distant, or indifferent—He’s gracious, righteous, and merciful. Rather than glorifying herself, she humbly worshiped the Lord.

Scripture actually has very little to say about Mary. There’s no description of her physical appearance, nothing about her life, her later years after Christ’s death, or her own death and burial. And when she does briefly appear with the disciples and the other believers on the day of Pentecost, she’s not an object of worship or even a leader in the early church—she’s just one among many. There simply are no biblical examples of anyone ever praying to her, honoring her, or venerating her.

Nor does she play a role in any biblical explanation of the gospel. Paul wrote a magnificent treatise on the doctrine of salvation that we know as the book of Romans, and all he said about the mother of Jesus is that she was “a descendent of David” (Romans 1:3). He’s even less specific in Galatians, another lengthy exposition of the pure, true gospel in which he simply said that Christ was “born of a woman” (Galatians 4:4).

Contrast that with the unending Catholic volumes on the life of Mary, the miracles of Mary, the death of Mary, the apparitions of Mary, and on and on it goes. That’s why it’s often a shock for Catholics to read the Bible and see how little is actually said about Mary.

But that’s what happens when you elevate tradition to the level of Scripture and ascribe to men the infallible characteristics that only belong to God.

This is only a partial text, use link for full text.

http://www.gty.org/library/blog/B130227/exposing-the-heresies-of-the-catholic-church-mary-worship
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Dec 11, 2018 02:36:57   #
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The Protestant 30,000 Churches are a dead religion jack.

They are dividing and loosing so many parishioners, they are closing up and are having to share churches because of dwindling rank and file families and children don't believe anymore in Jesus Christ.

Yup a dead and smaller religion factions, they are part-time shopping-cart religious.

Dead a dying religion, a dinosaur relic . . .



jack sequim wa wrote:


Satanic doctrine of demons using references of "God the Father" in old Testament when God the father is "Spirit" and Jesus is man "God in the flesh"

The author writing to the gullible sheeple of the church, using scripture referring to "God the father" and applying to Jesus.


Lies, deception.

THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IS SATAN'S COUNTERFEIT CHURCH

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Dec 11, 2018 02:55:14   #
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Rose,

You can't prove anything biblically all your talk is cheep compost hog-wallop.

It's all;
a. Protestant conjecture,
b. Protestant supposition's,
c. Protestant innuendo's,
d. Protestant exaggeration's,
e. Your own personal motional issues and Protestant Belief's
f. Protestant hypocritical Truth's
g. Protestant empty ineffectual rhetoric
h. Devoid of Real Protestant Factual Substance.

Yet you have been unable to prove any thing factually and continue to use Straw-Man and Red-Herring, Ad-Homonym Protestant allegory and Fake fallacies.

Is this all you can do rose . . . . boring . . . boring . . . boring . . . boring . . . boring . . . boring . . . boring . . . boring . . .


Rose42 wrote:


Proof biblically?

It's been shown and proven so many times -biblically -

How and why praying to Mary is idol worship.

Read.

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