Radiance3

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How about all your LIES and more fabricated lies attacking the Catholic Church and everything associated to it? You've started all of those, posted them since 2 years ago at OPP. You made up stories and accusations based upon all your rumors and gossips, without even proofs just to destroy the Vatican and the Catholic Church.

You've created misrepresentations of everything that the Catholic Church does carrying forward all the Traditions from the Apostles for 2000 years. Then you accused them of CULTS AND PAGANS. Because your church lacks 3/4 of the history of your Sola Scriptura 500 years ago.

What I have presented about your Sola Scriptura were the results of the Scriptures being misinterpreted 47,000 times by different pastors of your church, a massive and GROSS VIOLATIONS of God's order to have ONE UNIFIED INTERPRETATION only.

That was the reason why Christ ordered Saint Peter to put all His teachings to keep and to hold at His Catholic Church for ONE SOLID INTERPRETATION. But Protestants violated that.

You've presented all exaggerated rumors then you magnified them by all your calculated attempts to destroying the Church of God.

The only Protestant Church I admire is the church of Rev. Billy Graham. He also justified that faith and works are needed for salvation. I agree.

The rests are OUTCASTS.

Rose42

Time again to prove it Radiance. But you can't because you know in your heart that never happened.

Radiance3

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With your lying mouth and brain!
Never happened? On this order of Christ to Peter never happened? Are you taking over Saint Peter as the beneficiary of God's estate?

Are you trying to nullify this God's words, replace with your own?

Matthew 16:18-19 King James Version (KJV)
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Rose42

Wrong as usual Radiance. Why do you continue to deny the word of God?

Christ is the rock. There's a thread that proves it with scripture of course. Peter himself called Christ the rock. Peter was never even in Rome. If he had been Paul would have referred to him and greeted him in Romans. You believe a lie.

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-147167-1.html

Radiance3

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Your uttering blatant LIES. You are a habitual LIAR!

I can see that you have deficient understanding of the Words of God.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

By now you should have realized that the Roman Catholic churches teachings and doctrines are full of holes.
With the many historians, scribes, and Paul himself, there would have been dozens of records placing Peter in Rome, instead zero.
Plys the original Greek manuscripts that every new Testament is translated from is crystal clear that Jesus is the rock which is confirmed in the different translations. Even the old Testament makes it clear Jesus is the rock.

Everything in the Roman Catholic churches oral traditions are full of holes Contridicted by the Bible (pick any translation).
Pick any Roman Catholic church doctrine and the Bible itself refutes it, or it just popped out of thin air.

Praying to Mary or dead saints

Purgatory

The Eucharist

Salvation by the Eucharist, works, baptism.

Confession to priest

The pope infallible

Mary sinless

Pope God on earth

Beads

Grace can be merited

Penance

Infallibility of the Catholic Church

Only the Roman Catholic Church has authority to interpret Scripture

The Pope is the head of the church and has the authority of Christ(This is a big one, blanton blasphemy)

The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation (blasphemy)

Indulgences


These and many more are full of holes.

Why do none of these ever part of the early church, not found in Scripture or plainly contridict scripture?

If these were necessary for salvation wouldn't have Jesus included them?
Paul wrote more than any other author, why didn't Paul pray to Mary or even mention her, pray to the dead saints, talk about purgatory..... Because they are false man made inspired by Satan to lead astray millions from the pure gospel that Paul made clear, it is complete, beware of false teachers that add to it, that add traditions.

PAUL WARNED NOT TO ADD TRADITIONS, and every single Roman Catholic church doctrine US ADDED TRADITIONS!!!

ALL ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH DOCTRINES ARW ADDED TRADITIONS that Paul commanded against.

The Roman Catholic church teachings all ARW FULL OF HOLES. Proven by scripture.

Radiance3

Jack Sequim, AGAIN, YOU'VE POSTED ALL FALSE CLAIMS AND LIES IN AN ATTEMPT TO DESTROY St. Peter, and the Catholic Church. Your objective is to put our Sola Scriptura as the true Gospel.

Nothing has come out of your mouth that was credible. Fact of the matter is you are the only person I've encountered who has been a LIAR, rude, no ethics and manners. Re: Your replies to me about the Holy Eucharist posted last month at OPP.

You and along Protestants attempt to destroy and nullify the historic existence of the Catholic Church, as you also destroy St. Peter existence in Rome. You have also redefined:
Matthew 16:18-19 New International Version (NIV)
18 And I tell you that you are Peter,[a] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[b] will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[c] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[d] loosed in heaven.”
Fact: Saint Peter was the First Pope in Rome:

Real St Peter’s Life in Rome:
The Roman Catholics claim Peter was the first pope of their church. Peter came to Rome 42:AD and died around 68:AD. He was in Rome for 26 years until his death thru Nero via crucifixion upside down. His remains were discovered during the construction of the 2nd Basilica on April 1506. Scientists have proven the bones of Peter was his.
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St. Peter's History and Life in Rome:
Facts about St Peter’s Life and works in Rome
The Roman Catholics claim Peter was the first pope of their church. Peter came to Rome 42:AD and died around 68:AD. He was in Rome for 26 years until his death thru Nero via crucifixion upside down. His remains were discovered during the construction of the 2nd Basilica on April 1506.

Prior to the reformation, nobody in history had questioned about the Catholic Church and St. Peter's validity.

The Protestants claim Peter NEVER set foot in Rome! The Protestants attempt to destroy the Catholic church and let the Sola Scriptura override the validity and existence of the Catholic Church. This argument about Peter only happened after the Reformation.
This article uncovers the truth about Peter's purported residence in Rome and sets the record straight regarding his connection to the Roman Catholic Church!

by John D. Keyser
Down through the years, numerous Protestant groups have gone to great lengths in trying to prove that the apostle Peter never set foot in the city of Rome. Flying in the face of historical, traditional and archaeological evidence to the contrary, they have even gone so far as to say he never set foot in Italy -- let alone the Imperial City!

Is this true? FALSE. And WHY have these Protestant groups been so ADAMANT in their refusal to believe that Peter could have ever visited Rome?

The answer to this last question is quite easy to grasp. The Protestants, in their rejection of many Catholic traditions and doctrines, ALSO rejected the PRIMACY OF PETER and the papal succession that was based upon the Catholic insistence that the apostle was the first pope! In their ardent clamor to shoot down the theory of papal succession, they tried to place Peter as FAR AWAY from Rome and Italy as possible!

The FACT of Peter. He was the First "pope" and founder of the Catholic Church!
One honest Protestant historian and theologian -- Adolph Harnack -- wrote that "to deny the Roman stay of Peter is an error which today is clear to every scholar who is NOT BLIND. The martyr death of peter at Rome was once contested by reason of Protestant prejudice."

These groups have FAILED TO REALIZE that there were TWO "Peters" who evangelized Rome in the first century -- one of whom was INDEED the founder of Roman Catholicism. In the historical references, as well as in the many legends that have reached us today, these two personalities are quite often confused, and the exploits of one applied to the other. But with discernment and an OPEN MIND the truth regarding the apostle Peter can be uncovered.

Total Unanimity
Peter had to die and be buried somewhere; and the OVERWHELMING CHRISTIAN TRADITION has been in agreement, from the EARLIEST TIMES, that it was actually in Rome that Peter died. F. J. Foakes-Jackson, in his book Peter: Prince of Apostles, states "that the tradition that the church [in Rome] had been founded by...Paul was well established by A.D. 178. From hence forth there is NO DOUBT whatever that, NOT ONLY AT ROME, but throughout the Christian church, Peter's visit to the city was an ESTABLISHED FACT, as was his martyrdom together with that of Paul" (New York, 1927. P. 155.).

Historian Arthur Stapylton Barnes agrees:
The strong point in the evidence of the [church] fathers is their UNANIMITY. It is QUITE CLEAR that no other place was known to them as claiming to have been the scene of St. Peter's death, and the repository of his relics. -- St. Peter in Rome, London, 1900. P. 7.
The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge corroborates this by saying:
John Ignatius Dollinger claims that the evidence "St. Peter worked in Rome is a FACT SO ABUNDANTLY PROVED and so deeply imbedded in the earliest Christian history, that whoever treats it as a legend ought in consistency to treat the whole of the earliest church history as LEGENDARY, or, at least, QUITE UNCERTAIN" (The 1st Age of Christianity and the Church, London. 1867. P. 296).

Strong words those!
As author James Hardy Ropes states:
The tradition, however, that Peter came to Rome, and suffered martyrdom under Nero (54-68 A.D.) either in the great persecution which followed the burning of the city or somewhat later, rests on a different and FIRMER basis....It is UNQUESTIONED that 150 years after Peter's death it was the COMMON BELIEF at Rome that he had died there.
The belief that Peter was martyred in Rome was NOT due to the vanity or ambition of the LOCAL Christians, but was ADMITTED, at an early date, THROUGHOUT THE CHURCH.
Questions about St Peter came up only- until AFTER the Reformation. Don't you think that's odd? Don't you think SOMEONE would have seized upon this claim of Rome, and Protestant UNLIMITED PROPAGANDA MILEAGE There was ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER about Rome being the site of Peter's death!

Adds William McBirnie:
We certainly do not even have the slightest reference that points to any other place besides Rome which could be considered as the scene of his death. And in favor of Rome, there are important traditions that he did actually die in Rome
Unger's Bible Dictionary states unequivocally that "the evidence for his [Peter's] martyrdom there [in Rome] is COMPLETE, while there is a TOTAL ABSENCE of any contrary statement in the writings of the early fathers" (3rd Edition, Chicago. 1960. P. 850).

George Edmundson, in his book The Church in Rome in the 1st Century, dogmatically repeats the same conclusion:
We do not have even the SLIGHTEST TRACE that points to any other place which could be considered as the scene of his [Peter's] death.IT NEVER OCCURRED TO A SINGLE ONE OF THEM to contest the claim of Rome that it was the scene of the martyrdom of Peter

Ancient Evidence
From the 1st century an apocryphal work called the Ascension of Isaiah has come down to us; and this is probably the FIRST AND EARLIEST document that attests to the martyrdom of Peter IN ROME. In a passage (Chap. 4:2f) we read the following prediction:
is a clear reference to Emperor Nero who murdered his mother Agrippina in 59 A.D., and put Peter to death in February of 68 A.D.

The NEXT REFERENCE, in order of time, is the Epistle of Clement to James. Although many historians have placed this letter in the last ten years of the 1st century, there are some objections to this.

. Also, there is an abundance of material to show that Peter ordained Clement TO REPLACE LINUS as overseer of the Roman Church after the latter's martyrdom in 67 A.D. The list of bishops of Rome in the Ante-Nicene Fathers show that Clement was an overseer from 68-71 A.D.

Evidently, his first item of business as overseer was to inform James of Peter's death:
Clement to James, who rules [oversees] Jerusalem, the holy church of the Hebrews, and the churches everywhere excellently founded by the providence of God, with the elders and deacons, and the rest of the brethren, peace be always....He himself [Peter], by reason of his immense love towards men, HAVING COME AS FAR AS ROME, clearly and publicly testifying, in opposition to the wicked one who withstood him, that there is to be a good King over all the world, while saving men by his God-inspired doctrine, HIMSELF, BY VIOLENCE, EXCHANGED THIS PRESENT EXISTENCE FOR LIFE. -- Epistle of Clement to James, "Ante-Nicene Fathers." Translated by Alexander Roberts & James Donaldson. Vol. VIII. New York. 1926. P. 218.

A cryptic reference to the death of Peter occurs in the Book of John in the Bible which, most authorities believe, was written in the last decade of the first century. Here, in verses 18 and 19 of chapter 21, we read:
"I tell you the truth, when you were younger you dressed yourself and went where you wanted; but when you are old YOU WILL STRETCH OUT YOUR HANDS, and someone else will dress you and lead you WHERE YOU DO NOT WANT TO GO." Jesus said this to indicate THE KIND OF DEATH by which Peter would glorify God.

The stretching out of the hands refers to Peter's crucifixion in his old age; however, the passage does not indicate WHERE this crucifixion was to take place.
In the first few years of the 2nd century an Ebionite document, called The Preaching of Peter, was written. Its time-frame is indicated by the fact that the Gnostic Heracleon used it in his writings during the time of Emperor Hadrian (117-138 A.D.). According to John Ignatius Dollinger, The Preaching of Peter brings "St. Peter and St. Paul together AT ROME, and divides the discourses and utterances which took place there between the two...it is notoriously founded on the UNIVERSALLY ADMITTED FACT of St. Peter having laboured AT ROME."

It is INCONCEIVABLE to think that such a document (claiming acceptance as a genuine product of the apostolic age) would have presented a groundless fable about the presence of Peter at Rome AT A TIME WHEN MANY WHO HAD SEEN THE APOSTLE MUST HAVE STILL BEEN ALIVE!

At this same time (circa 107 A.D.) Ignatius, one of the early church fathers, says in his epistle to the ROMAN CHURCH: "I do not, LIKE PETER AND PAUL, issue commandments unto you" -- an oblique reference to Peter's residence in Rome.

Thomas Lewin, in The Life and Epistle of St. Paul, mentions that a work entitled Praedicatio Pauli -- ascribed to the second century -- tells of PETER and Paul meeting AT ROME (Vol. 2. London. 1874).

The events which led up to the death of Peter are described at length in a work called the Acts of Peter, which was in circulation at Rome approximately 85 years after the apostle's death. Once again, those who would have read this work would have been second-generation Christians, whose parents would remember the places and personalities concerned.

There is NO HISTORICAL RECORD that this narrative was ever challenged on the grounds of Peter's death in Rome. Therefore, a thread of truth must be enshrined in this Acts of Peter that link together the events described. Even the SPIRIT of the apostle Peter breaks through the verbose and often sugary language of the author's presentation.
Unger's Bible Dictionary attests to the ANTIQUITY of the universal belief that Peter died in Rome:

Radiance3

Part 2 of Saint Peter's life in Rome.
In the 2nd century Dionysius of Corinth, in the epistle to Soter Bishop of Rome, states, as a FACT UNIVERSALLY KNOWN and accounting for the intimate relations between Corinth and Rome, that Peter and Paul BOTH TAUGHT IN ITALY, and suffered martyrdom ABOUT the same time. In short, the churches most nearly connected with Rome and THOSE LEAST AFFECTED BY ITS INFLUENCE, which was as yet but inconsiderable in the east, CONCUR in the statement that Peter was a joint founder of that church [Rome], and SUFFERED DEATH IN THAT CITY.

The writer and philosopher Origen (185-254) (known as the father of the Eastern Church's science of Biblical criticism and exegesis in the early part of the 3rd century) writes that, after preaching in Pontus and other places to the Jews of the Dispersion, Peter "finally CAME TO ROME, and was crucified with his head downward."
Likewise Irenaeus, who was bishop of Lyons in Gaul (circa 202) claims (Cont. Haeres, iii.1) that "PETER and Paul were preaching AT ROME, and laying the foundation of the church." Further on, in Cont. Haeres, iii.2, he adds: "Indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, very ancient, and universally known church, founded and organized AT ROME by the two most glorious apostles, PETER and Paul."
Tertullian, the eminent church father mentions, around the year 218, "those whom Peter baptized IN THE TIBER [RIVER] (On Baptism, 4). In his work Prescription Against Heretics (36), he says that the church of Rome "states that Clement was ORDAINED BY PETER."

Clement of Alexandria (circa 220), as cited by Eusebius, adds another detail when he mentions PETER'S VISIT TO ROME to contend with SIMON MAGUS.
A little later, in the 4th century, Arnobius (307 A.D.) says: "IN ROME ITSELF...they have hastened to give up their ancestral customs, and to join themselves to Christian truth, FOR THEY HAD SEEN THE CHARIOT OF SIMON MAGUS, AND HIS FIERY CAR BLOWN INTO PIECES BY THE MOUTH OF PETER" (Adv. Gentes, ii. 12).

Lactantius of Africa -- who flourished around 310 A.D. -- tells how the apostles, including Paul, "during 25 years, and until the beginning of the reign of the emperor Nero...occupied themselves in laying the foundations of the church IN EVERY PROVINCE AND CITY. And while Nero reigned, THE APOSTLE PETER CAME TO ROME, and...built up a faithful and steadfast temple unto the Lord. When Nero heard of these things...he crucified Peter, and slew Paul (Handbook of Biblical Chronology, by Jack Finegan. Princeton, N.J. 1964).

Hegesippus, who also wrote in the 4th century, describes the contest between Peter and Simon Magus -- IN ROME -- over a kinsman of the Emperor Nero who was raised from the dead; and then how the deceiver (Simon Magus) reached a tragic end. Because of Magus' death (67 A.D.) Nero (who treated him as a favorite) was so enraged that he had Peter cast into prison to await his return to Rome.

The eminent Eusebius (circa 324) remarks that Peter "appears to have preached through Pontus, Galatia, Bithynia, Cappadocia and Asia, who also FINALLY COMING TO ROME, was crucified head downwards, at his own request." Elsewhere in his writings, Eusebius states that "Paul is said to have been beheaded AT ROME and Peter to have been crucified...."

The philosopher Macarius Magnes, who was probably bishop of Magnesia in Caria or Lydia around the year 400 A.D., tells in one of his dialogs how Peter escaped from prison under Herod, and then says, in reference to Peter's commission from Christ to "feed my lambs," that "it is recorded that Peter fed the lambs for SEVERAL MONTHS only before he was crucified." This probably means "several months" of activity in Rome BEFORE being APPREHENDED and put to death. Magnes then refers to Paul along with Peter: "This fine fellow was overpowered AT ROME and beheaded...even as Peter...was fastened to the cross and crucified."

The classic history of the ancient popes known as the Liber Pontificalis (which can be dated, in its most ancient form, to the 6th century) contains a biography of Peter. In this biography it is stated that the apostle was buried near the place where he had been crucified, i.e. "NEAR THE PALACE OF NERO, IN THE VATICAN, CLOSE TO THE TRIUMPHAL REGION."

Fact that Saint Paul refused to teach in Rome in order not to override the teachings of Saint Peter.

Rose42

One can only hope she will embrace the truth before its too late.

Radiance3

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jacMatthew 24:11
And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. Jack and Rosie, I have the truth. I hope you find one.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

A long time back I asked you if you seek truth that God wants us to know and you answered yes.

That cannot be an honest answer. You want to believe the Catholic church holds the truth, when my question was wanting God's truth.

To ignore Catholic history conflicts with the Catholic Bible, which is the reason most Catholics leave the church when they start asking questions and the answers don't sastify the conflict with scripture.

You never addressing or searching for an answer to specifically "why does the original Greek manuscripts that every new Testament in the world's history say Jesus is the rock in Greek"?

I'll agree scripture can be misinterpreted.

There is an indisputable fact, the meaning of a Greek word cannot be misinterpreted because each individual Greek word includes its action verb. The English language has one word that can mean many things, but the Greek language has a different word for each of those meanings. (look it up)
This makes it impossible to misinterpret a Greek word.
The challenge in interpretating from Greek to English is which English word to use since our language is so very limited.

I know you understand my point.
If you did seek the truth of God, this is the easiest, least time consuming way for you to know what God inspired the authors of the Greek manuscript.

Jesus spoke in Aramaic but there never were manuscripts written in Aramaic so the argument what a word in the Bible means in Aramaic is deception. They may have said Russian or Chinese because the original Greek manuscripts were only written in Greek.

Radiance3

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Your truth belongs to LUCIFER!

Radiance3

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You are not going to make it Jack. You've been lying and twisting events to justify your narratives. Satan is good at that.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Satan is good at that, actually his demons roam the earth and have great power over the unsaved, those not having the Holy spirit. Those having the holy spirit have defenses that God teaches us how to use battling demons in victory.
Sadly those not having the Holy Spirit can not defend themselves and are convinced of lies, they are supernaturally blinded and it is only crying out to God, specifically the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, pleading with God to remove the blindness that they may see God's truth.

That would be the best start for you to see the truth and how Satan has created the Roman Catholic church.
I don't question you have gone through a great deal of studying or learning about the church, but your not aware of the many hard and fast doctrines because they sugar coat them. Dig deeper into doctrines that the popes have declared throughout the centuries of the church for yourself.
We don't need to convince you that Christianity as set in the Bible (66) books is the true church established by Jesus and the final authority.
Just learning about all the satanic doctrines that are set by the popes is enough evidence.
Rose42 was a catholic as you know. It was discovering the doctrines not talked about in Sunday mass (not trying to put words in her mouth, just as I understood) that made her start asking questions and the more she thought about the answers, the more questions, until her eyes were fully opened.

I understood a fair amount about the Catholic church by studying but even more from firsthand catholics. But now doing deeper research about the popes its mind blowing.

Your lost in blind faith of what men have created as workman for Satan, it's only the power of God that can reveal it to you, by pleading with God to save you in revealing the truth.

You are convincing me that your stubbornness, digging your heels in, is stopping you from honestly seeking God to reveal the truth and save your soul.

bahmer

Amen and Amen