Radiance3

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Rose, and jack sequim, your relentless pride of reciting the doctrine, without proving in action is all futile, useless, and an insult to God. God asks you to prove that what you are saying comes sincerely from our heart, or just trying to pontificate yourselves?

Those are all worthless without productive demonstrations of every word that you've said.
Reciting love to God must be proven how you love God. Words alone are not sufficient to produce fruits proving the result of any achievements on how you love God. Without that, you are still bankrupt in the love of God, but rather a hypocrisy and display of your self-pride and arrogance about your belief of faith.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Are you not able to understand this is a forum.
It has been you giving long winded personal insults revealing your dark spirit.

Radiance3

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What insults are you talking about? Your mouth is loaded with it.

What dark spirits are you talking about? I am asking you to provide proof of your love for God for every word you recite from the Scriptures. Asking about that is not an insult.

Every thing you do must have results, tangible or intangible, to prove that you really love God. Without that, there is nothing but an empty rhetoric to satisfy your own self. Me, me, me...!

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Really? After you made replies to you personal instead of information, you posted insults to every non catholic in the most juvenile manner.

Your post are recorded for anyone and everyone to read and review. All to see your dishonesty and frequent lies.

Radiance3

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Speaking of facts about your preaching are not insults. However, in your case, you have loaded your mouth with insults to me and to my Catholic Church. You want to throw your insults, yet you don't accept facts that discloses the hypocrisy of yourself.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

The message of
Your rejection of the word of God, acceptance of doctrine outside of the word of God, acceptance of pagan rituals has been lost in your anger. Like Doc110 you have twisted the words of everyone reading into messages from a mindset of defense, anger and insecurities rather than reason and logic.

As I stated to Doc110 equally applies to your replies.

It is "Exactly" the same as a leftist.
Ignoring any and all facts, evidence with responses based in emotion, vitriolic anger, operating with knee jerk insults while repeating a cut and paste response having nothing to do with the content.

When presented with scripture, context of the original Greek manuscripts, Greek word meanings.
Your replies of " unauthorized" or "Sola scripture".. Does not change the Greek dictionary or the original Greek manuscripts.
Sidestepping has proven to be your response, exactly like a leftist does.
This is the justifiable reason to classify you dishonest.
Ignore the topic, insult and post irrelevant replies...

Radiance3

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I would certainly reject your Sola Scriptures. I have the genuine Scriptures all there in my Catholic Bible the Bible of Christ,complete and authorized by Christ to be kept and used.

Since yours was man-made, copied without authority from Christ, I must avoid them.

Reading the facts of the Scriptures from the genuine source is not dishonest but in obedience to Christ order to read and learn from it.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Did God leave important teachings out of the Bible? Is God forgetful?

The Roman Catholic Church cannot clearly and easily show its history before 320 AD, when the Roman Emperor Constantine professed conversion, amalgamated pagans and Christians, and declared himself to be the head or pontiff of the Universal (Catholic) Church.

The early Church never had many of the doctrines that the Roman Catholic Church now has.

"If they speak not according to this Word, it is because there is no light in them." (Isaiah 8:20)

Question: What are some errors of the Roman Catholic Church?

ERROR 1: Human Tradition Is Elevated to Or Above the Word of God (1545 AD)

"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy or vain deceit, after the tradition of man, .... and not after Christ." (Colossians 2:8)

Jesus charges the Pharisees for exalting tradition above the Word of God in the same way that the Roman Catholic Church does:

"Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?"
(Matthew 15:3)
"Ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites." (Matthew 15:6-7)
"In vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." (Matthew 15:9)
"Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind." (Matthew 15:3, 6-7, 9, 14)
I challenge Catholics to test their doctrines by God's Word. The Church does not give birth to the Word of God, but the Word of God gives birth to the Church. "Of His own will begat He us with the word of truth." (James 1:18; 1 Peter 1:23)

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Radiance, you have repeated the above sentence through out the thread. It is not your place to determine our good works.

No one has to Prove anything to God. God knows what is in our heart. Public display in order to appear "righteous" before other people is a form of bragging, - Just as you do by telling us repeatedly about your good works, when
that should only be between you and God.

Well mannered people do not make a show of themselves before others.We are to do the best we can, then we leave it to God. The results of any Christian effort is in God's hands. Only He can give the increase.

(1st Corinthians 3:7) So neither the one who plants nor the one who ...
"So then neither is He that plants anything, neither He that waters; but God that
gives the increase. God who gives the increase is all in all."

(2 Corinthians 9:10) Now He who supplies seed to the sower and bread.
"God gives seed to the farmer and food to those who need to eat. God will also give
you seed and multiply it. In your lives He will increase the things you do."
Berean Literal Bible

Should or should we not let our good works be seen?

There are circumstances when we do, and other circumstances when we don't.

Matthew 5:16; I Peter 2:12 Show good works; Matthew 6:1-4; Matthew 23:3, 5 Don't show good works


(Matthew 5:16) - "Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven."

(1 Peter 2:12) - "Keep your behavior excellent among the Gentiles, so that in the thing in which they slander you as evildoers, they may because of your good deeds, as they observe them, glorify God in the day of visitation."

Don't show good works:

(Matthew 6:1-4) - "Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven.
2So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.
3"But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
4so that your giving will be in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you."

(Matthew 23:3,5) - "therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them...
But they do all their deeds to be noticed by men; for they broaden their phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments."

As with any piece of literature, to best understand its statements you must read them in context. The Bible is no different. Matthew 5:16 is in the context of the beatitudes (Matt. 5:1 - 7:29) where Jesus is teaching proper, good, and moral behavior. Disciples of Jesus are to be lights shining in the darkness; that is, doers of good.

1 Peter 2:12 is where Peter is admonishing the Christians to live godly and holy lives before the unbelievers. We Christians live in the world among unbelievers and they are going to see how we live. Peter is telling us to act properly with unbelievers so that false accusations will not stand against us because we have lived with integrity among them.

By contrast, Jesus in Matthew 6:1-4, which is still in the same beatitudes where He told people to let their light shine before people (5:16) is stating that if the motive of doing something good is to be noticed by people, then don't do that. Don't boast about how "good" you are before people. That is wrong. There is nothing wrong with doing good works that will be seen before people, after all, we live among unbelievers. However, when you do good things, don't do them for the purpose of drawing attention to how "good" you are.

Likewise in Matthew 23:3, 5 Jesus is addressing the crowds and teaching them about the hypocrisy of the Scribes and Pharisees and how they do their deeds in order to be noticed and admired. Jesus condemned this.
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People are supposed to notice your good works because your good character permeates them, not because of your attempt to have them see how "good" and "great" you are. The former is humility. The latter is prideful and wrong.

The context of each of these verses tells us what our behavior is to be in each circumstance. As Christians, we do the good works God has prepared for us to do, and we do them through the spiritual power and strength that He provides us, not in our own power, so that we do not boast and brag.


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bahmer

Excellent post as always Zemirah thanks for the refresher course.

Radiance3

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Now you are parroting again all LIES that's being emitted from your mouth. You recite again all the Scriptures of the Solas. The fact of the matter is: What you are doing are all about yourself, hoping to deceive and mislead people along the way.

You must be so desperate, losing people from your church. With your strange deceptions, you think you could lure them back. They are the source of your livelihood.

You carry all those words, without actions and proofs about what those words stand for. Your empty rhetoric is all about yourself. You have no results to prove what ever you've stated. You heart is empty but your mouth is loaded. Not proven by any means how you worship God. No, actions, no results, no proofs, none productive, but empty recitations of the words of God. You call that hypocrisy.

bahmer

You are the parroting lies Radiance3 you are parroting the lies of the Roman Catholic Church and there edicts that are totally made up out of thin air with no substance in them. They are all lies and you are all worshiping graven images and praying to Mary and the dead Saints as well. You are the one that has been fooled not the Christians in the normal churches out here that follow the bibles teachings and not man made teachings as you do.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Where did you get the information that Jack has a Church? Just how many people has left this fictional Church? Where did you get his financial information? Would you like to explain hypocrisy one more time?

You accuse us of being liars and not producing proof of what we claim...... So let’s see your proof of your claims against Jack! Put up or 🤐 shut up! I believe that is the correct phrase!

Whoever goes about slandering reveals secrets; therefore do not associate with a simple babbler. Proverbs 20:19

Keep your tongue from evil and your lips from speaking deceit. Proverbs 18:8

You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness. Exodus 23:1

The one who conceals hatred has lying lips, and whoever utters slander is a fool. Proverbs 10:18

You will now repeat that these scriptures are unauthorized or stolen or false or not in your Bible that the Catholic Church created etc. etc. etc. ! I will leave you with this last verse! Perhaps you might want to utter these words in your prayer tonight!

Set a guard, O Lord, over my mouth; keep watch over the door of my lips! Psalms 141:3

Radiance3

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What insults are you talking about jack Sequim? Telling facts of your hypocrisy is not an insult. From the beginning, you must review the contents of your HUGE FILTHY mouth, and then find how much insults, lies, and assaults you have delivered to me, my Catholic Church, and Doc110. You want a one way traffic that you could harass and do all kinds of harm to others while you don't want a return.

Well, I am sending all of them back to you. Take all your trash, and put them in your "Scriptura Business Enterprise" for selling the words of God to the world. Perhaps that will add more power to earn you more money. Hypocrite!

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Did I make money? Did I sell God for money? Do I attend a mega televangelist church?
Your getting more desperate, making things up in your head that's just plain looney.
You cannot refute the pure word of God that reveals the satanic Roman Catholic church false teachings.
Your rebuttals have nothing to do with any of the scriptures proving false teachings and repeated "Sola", "authorized" or "unauthorized" in no way changes what God gave us in his word to keep us, protect us from the tares in the wheat..
You know that in order to remain faithful to the church you must hold only to the man made traditions because the Bible teaches a different Jesus, different Gospel, different church, the church Jesus established that like his word never changes, never is added to but pure in the life it directs us to, life eternal in Jesus our Lord and Saviour.

By the way, the answer to the above is, no, no, and no.