Loki Loc: Georgia

Rumitoid has made some good points. Other than his susceptability to the Liberal BOHICA that is sometimes inaccurately termed "KoolAid."

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

As I said, I will practice what I preach and because I do not have anything nice to say, I will excuse myself and not say anything.

rumitoid

$26.38. I'm I close? That last line was there to be picked on and meant as a joke.
Wh**ever you may read into my posts, to find that I find an "innate goodness and benevolence of government" is odd because I do not believe that nor have I ever posted a single thing here even suggesting such a "naive" idea.
But thanks for being the one voice that remained decent and civil; I appreciate that.

Loki Loc: Georgia

I said "change," not my house payment. One more chance: How will we solve the main problem of space travel at speeds that are an appreciable percentage of the velocity of light? There is a little problem that collision with minute particles at those speeds produces kinetic energy that rivals a nuclear explosion. How do you plan to circumvent this little detail as we prepare for our jaunt to Alpha Centauri? Let's hear it.

rumitoid

There are billions of wormholes all around at about an atom's width. Scientist believe there are ways to expand these to fit a man of even a ship. But there is so much energy a feedback loop starts and quickly grows in intensity, k*****g anyone who dared enter. So, cross that off.

But we could slingshot ourselves off a black hole. The closer a person is to a large mass, time slows, while we are rocketing around the blackhole time will get every slower and when we finally reach near-light speed, off we go the outward push of that speed deflecting all objects.

Loki Loc: Georgia

S**t. I had to ask.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

The only way for this to work is using the new theory of hybrid singularity. Whereas if you traveled through a space time singularity, not only would your ship but you would be reduced to a spread of atoms. However, "Cauchy horizon singularity," it would impart only finite tidal distortions on extended objects.

The kinder, gentler singularity should only develop when a regular stream of matter or energy falls into the hole.

Previous analyses have considered only streams that were brief bursts. But long-duration "non-compact" streams of radiation, like the cosmic microwave background, can also fall into the black hole.

As for "stretching a black hole to accommodate a space ship, that is highly unlikely. In order to accomplish this, you would have to exert more force than the imploding event horizon. Then there is the problem of maintaining the enlarged black hole for what would be an indefinite time span due to time slowing to an almost stagnant interval. That then would introduce a new problem with the affects that an expanded black hole, which would put significant pull on our solar system as to crush and suck the sun and planets out of orbit and into the hole. Therefore, the event horizon would need to be created at such a significant distance from inhabited (even with primitive life forms) so as not to cause a space vacuum. Ergo, the probability of traveling via a worm hole in the foreseeable future is small.

Loki, in your pocket at this moment you have 3 quarters, 5 nickels, 1 dime and 4 pennies. Tell me how close I am.

rumitoid

I said scientists believe that could expand (not stretch) a wormhole, I did not say stretch a black hole, but otherwise very interesting

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Forgive me for interchanging words. I see little difference in stretching and expanding. To me, the two are just different words to imperfectly describe the true behavior (which is only properly described mathematically) of the phenomenon.

For a better, more refined, information on back holes and travel; see: http://www.deepastronomy.com/travel-to-black-holes.html

rumitoid

The title of the thread is "Can anybody see clearly?" I never said anything about stretching or expanding a black hole; I said expand a wormhole: black hole and wormhole are not interchangeable. And neither are expand and stretch.

"To me, the two are just different words to imperfectly describe the true behavior (which is only properly described mathematically) of the phenomenon. "
I wasn't describing any phenomenon: I simply stated that scientists believe that may one day be able to expand a wormhole large enough for a man. As this has not been invented yet, I could not be perfectly or imperfectly describing it.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Excuse my ignorance! OF COURSE YOU ARE RIGHT, YOU ARE ALWAYS RIGHT AND THERE IS NO ROOM FOR ANYONE'S OPINIONS OR OBSERVATIONS.

rumitoid

ginnyt, misquoting my entire point does not fall in the realm of opinion or observation; it falls in the realm of mistake, where people usually say, "Oops, my bad" and move on. I said what you wrote was very interesting except for misrepresenting what I said. I didn't demonize you.

Loki Loc: Georgia

You have the dimes and nickels reversed. Five quarters.eight pennies. I still haven't had my question answered, regarding the avoidance of collisions at an appreciable fraction of light speed. Talk about kinetic energy weapons.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

OF COURSE YOU ARE RIGHT, YOU ARE ALWAYS RIGHT. YOUR VIEW IS THE ONLY VIEW.

Glaucon

I don't know except there maybe nickles, dimes and quarters, but I have read some of your posts and I am sure there are no sense.

Do you ever read stuff and try to understand it before attempting to respond?