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Oct 17, 2018 12:43:06   #
son of witless
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Even a broken clock is right twice a day!


Every 5 or 10 years the stock market blows up and the economy is in crisis. You have people predicting that every day, and then in those 5 or 10 years events they are pronounced brilliant. In between those events you could have made a lot of money not listening to the wise guys. I listen to Jim Cramer. He is not always right, but even when he is wrong he is smarter than 99 % of gloom and doomers.

The time to be worried is when almost nobody is predicting gloom. As long as 50 % of TV talking heads are predicting the end of the World it will not happen because they are keeping some people out of the market. When everybody is in, then no more new money is out there and look for trouble. When everyone says it cannot go down and this time is different, it isn't.

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Oct 17, 2018 13:00:57   #
zillaorange
 
Lots to do around here, will be off the air for a while. B SAFE ALL

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Oct 17, 2018 13:08:32   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
There is no carbon in electricity. This article is about the energy used to make steel, not the materials other than iron. You cannot turn iron into steel without carbon!!!! And eliminating "contaminants" does NOT make a better quality steel. The reason trace amounts of other materials is added has nothing to do with energy usage. These are added on purpose to create different types of steel for different usage. Even in the iron age when steel was hammered by hand this was known. Smiths kept their formulas secret. The formula for the original Damascus steel was only ferreted out after we had modern machines for analysis. It was the secret contaminants used which made Damascus steel unique.

My question to you was that if cost was not a factor, what carbon source would work as well as coal?

CARBON! Not ENERGY!
There is no carbon in electricity. This article i... (show quote)




You did not read it, did you....



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Oct 17, 2018 13:14:54   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
son of witless wrote:
" I time, renewable will be the major provider world over.."

I notice you give no ETA for this. An open ended timeline is a worthless theory.

" with China and India making huge investments in renewable change may well be more rapid then expected. "

Your problem is that you are so sold on global freaking warming and renewables that you do not bother to research the details of what is going on in the big bad world. I do not have that problem. I make it my business to go beyond the headlines. Yea China is building a lot of wind turbines BUT, you must ask are those wind machines generating usable power? Well are they ? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/15/world/asia/china-gansu-wind-farm.html

Again, stop listening to headlines and find out what is really happening.
" I time, renewable will be the major provide... (show quote)




Why do you insist on going back to an archaic, dirty, unhealthy method that is much more bad then good. We will be able to replace a great deal of the f****l f**l problem in relative short order,
even without Government aid..

But having a sick leader who impedes the advance to a better world is nothing more than embarrassing..



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Oct 17, 2018 13:16:50   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
permafrost wrote:
You did not read it, did you....



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Oct 17, 2018 14:43:16   #
Hadenough
 
Bad Bob wrote:


We could save the world if we could harness all the hot air dems/libs and progs blow!

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Oct 17, 2018 15:02:39   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
You did not read it, did you....


I did read it. Perhaps you should read it through in its entirety yourself. Not a single mention of what form of carbon they use to make steel. Only how metal ores are made molten, reduction in carbon dioxide emissions, and contaminants reduced. Steel is mentioned as one alloy that can be made with this electrolysis process, but not what carbon source they include with the iron to turn it into steel.

So I repeat for the 3rd time. What carbon source, even if more expensive, could be used to replace coal in the steel industry?

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Oct 17, 2018 16:11:07   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
You did not read it, did you....


Great meme!

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Oct 17, 2018 16:52:21   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
I did read it. Perhaps you should read it through in its entirety yourself. Not a single mention of what form of carbon they use to make steel. Only how metal ores are made molten, reduction in carbon dioxide emissions, and contaminants reduced. Steel is mentioned as one alloy that can be made with this electrolysis process, but not what carbon source they include with the iron to turn it into steel.

So I repeat for the 3rd time. What carbon source, even if more expensive, could be used to replace coal in the steel industry?
I did read it. Perhaps you should read it through... (show quote)



this is a bit more from that link that you "read".....

But there are other ways to pull iron out of rocks. Dissolving ores in a molten electrolyte and passing a current through it could reduce iron oxides to a more usable form and produce oxygen at the same time. "The real issue here is finding a nonconsumable anode that can sustain this process," said Donald Sadoway, a professor of materials chemistry at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and a co-author of the new report.

Previous attempts to electrolyze ores used anodes made of expensive elements like platinum and iridium, or the components broke down in the 1,600-degree-Celsius temperatures needed to maintain a liquid metal-oxide electrolyte.

Sadoway and his team found that an anode made from chromium-based alloys could withstand the process. These materials are also cheap. "If you end up with something that's superior but far costlier, nobody wants it," Sadoway said.

Using electrolysis to make metals has several advantages over a blast furnace. The resulting metals are purer because there are fewer contaminants introduced in the process. "The electrolytic route actually consumes less energy," Sadoway noted, adding that it can be 30 percent more efficient than conventional methods.



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Oct 17, 2018 16:53:29   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Great meme!




thanks, we tool savvy people have stay up to date...

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Oct 17, 2018 16:55:42   #
Hadenough
 
permafrost wrote:
this is a bit more from that link that you "read".....

But there are other ways to pull iron out of rocks. Dissolving ores in a molten electrolyte and passing a current through it could reduce iron oxides to a more usable form and produce oxygen at the same time. "The real issue here is finding a nonconsumable anode that can sustain this process," said Donald Sadoway, a professor of materials chemistry at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and a co-author of the new report.

Previous attempts to electrolyze ores used anodes made of expensive elements like platinum and iridium, or the components broke down in the 1,600-degree-Celsius temperatures needed to maintain a liquid metal-oxide electrolyte.

Sadoway and his team found that an anode made from chromium-based alloys could withstand the process. These materials are also cheap. "If you end up with something that's superior but far costlier, nobody wants it," Sadoway said.

Using electrolysis to make metals has several advantages over a blast furnace. The resulting metals are purer because there are fewer contaminants introduced in the process. "The electrolytic route actually consumes less energy," Sadoway noted, adding that it can be 30 percent more efficient than conventional methods.
this is a bit more from that link that you "r... (show quote)


Resorted to posting the words of a loser addict, how much lower are you going to go? Tick Tock Tick Tock. MAGA

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Oct 17, 2018 17:08:31   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Hadenough wrote:
Resorted to posting the words of a loser addict, how much lower are you going to go? Tick Tock Tick Tock. MAGA



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Oct 17, 2018 17:12:24   #
Hadenough
 
Bad Bob wrote:


Another h**er, Tick Tock Tick Tock! MAGA!

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Oct 17, 2018 17:51:35   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Hadenough wrote:
Resorted to posting the words of a loser addict, how much lower are you going to go? Tick Tock Tick Tock. MAGA




You not only did not read it.. you have no idea what the subject is about..



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Oct 17, 2018 17:59:09   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
permafrost wrote:
You not only did not read it.. you have no idea what the subject is about..



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