Jack,

We are governed by a minority.. the orange wretch is the head of a sliver of our nation that somehow by hook and crook got put in power.. new more and more of our centuries old reputation is being destroyed by
as self serving, uninformed spoiled child of a man..

the conservatives, which for some unfathomable reason support this thing in the White house are counted they come out to about 30 million..

If not for the many momentary reasons that came to gether, he would never have soiled our white house.

i think the biggest single reason was complacency.. the polls, right up the day before e******n insisted a run away loss for the orange con..

So many sat on their lazy butt, didn`t v**e or v**ed 3rd party as a symbol..

Will we see them git off the couch and v**e for several e******ns? If they will, we may yet save our country..

But with the tactics of the GOP/Right wing, I t has to be a fearsome battle.. we have to be as rotten filthy scheming as the right wing republicans..

That seems to be a formidable task to place on the shoulder of real Americans..

Every letter and every dot.. Obama pulled out our economy faster..... False, false, false.
Economist can dissect data, leave out data to conform a conclusion solely political. Which is exactly what this very deceptive journalist and economist have so blantonly done.

Trump is not the dummy so many make him out to be. He is a blurter. My wife is among the highest 1% IQ's but her weakness is her mouth, she blurts out, thinks later. "I probably shouldn't have said that" is something I here regularly and Trumps same weakness.
I think the trade war is a smoke screen and if both the l*****t and far right would step out of his way, better faster changes would take place.

Most do not understand the interlocking world economy with America's economy and not understanding the world's economy, its impossible to understand America's economy.

Here is an example of what Trump is trying to accomplish and if he does, the middle class will grow by several hundred percent, the GDP will easily double.

http://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/06/a-major-factor-behind-the-us-china-trade-war-is-winning-in-a-crucial-t.html

Your right, but I also think many of Trumps policies are extending the inevitably.

I don't think in these conversations many are aware we never had a "great Recession" based on accounting used in 1920's-1930's and t***slate it into how we calculate the last decade plus, we had a greater depression that 29. Far, far greater camouf**ged with welfare, food stamps, unemployment benefits extended two years, and trillions of dollars in QE. not to mention over 7 trillion QE that isn't on the books.
Using the t***h that we entered the greatest depression in 08/09 in history, better hellos others understand we are still in the depression but artificially being bubble gum and duct taped together just as Japan, The UK, Europe, China and Russia.
The question remains, is it a day, week, month or year when everything unravels. Even the elite of the elite won't escape it.

Tons of jobs, stock market out of its mind making money, wages up near 2%, how could I have any issue with the currect economy..

Well it all feels wrong.. nothing changed in my neck of the woods.. Same as we were in 2010.. why do I lay awake and worry about my grand kids and others making a living?

Looking for workers, need people. trained people.. money invested in updating many of the small business which make up the arrowhead of Minnesota..

Iron mining back to booming. but much opposition to nearly approved copper/nickel mining done by foreign companies..

so lets ask some experts, who have studied this boring stuff for a life time..

John Brazier is one of those who find economics so interesting he makes a living teaching it..

part of an article by him which he did not link, so all I have is the part I post..

>>>>>

I’m just going to focus on one area: the economy. Remember, despite Republican defiance and int***sigence, Obama hauled the US economy out of a massive recession and did it more quickly than any other country in the world (even though one might question some of his actions).

Trump, in the space of around 6 months - because he knows nothing about economics - has done the following:

Given a huge tax break to the wealthy and the corporations. This is meant to revitalize the economy. Unfortunately, the corporates don’t use it for investment but for share buy-backs, which artificially raises their stock value and thus raises the execs’ bonuses. The wealthy simply invest in the stock market, which further artificially raises the whole stock market value. The small amount that does make it to real business investment will actually do little because (a) the USA is near full employment: you can’t find people to fill the jobs, which causes wage inflation - the economy is overheating, and (b) we’re late in the business cycle: a slowdown is coming.
With the tax break, he has also declared a trade war with the whole of the world. These together significantly limits the government’s income, leading to more borrowing. In addition, Trump now has to borrow more so that he can subsidize soya farmers (for example) to keep them on-side during the war. The trade war will also directly hit US businesses, reducing their sales and profits, so slowing the economy down.
Trump is trying to stop the Fed from raising interest rates - which they must to (a) contain inflation, and (b) have enough ammunition in the interest rate to cut rates when the coming global recession will hit (and it is coming).
All these things are unfunded. The tax bill alone will increase the national debt by 1 to 2 trillion in the next few years; it is impossible to predict the borrowings needed for the trade war.
So Trump has created a huge bubble, riding on a perfect storm of unneeded stimulus, whilst simultaneously doing everything he can to shut down income flows - to both business and the government. And he’s trying to undermine the one institution that has the responsibility for trying to navigate the mess.

The result will be, come the next recession, an enormous crash which has the potential to make 2008 look like the warm-up act. For some time afterwards the economy will be a basket case and, which is unusual, one single culprit can and will be pointed out: Trump (with backup from the Republican party, who have appeared to have gone insane and abandoned everything they stood for, especially fiscal probity). He will go down in history as a terrible warning as to how the USA can screw up big-time if it really puts its mind to it.

So watch for the next few years: it could happen tomorrow, it could be years away. But it’s coming.

Just a final little stat to underline the great Trump competence. Remember his great stump promise about saving the coal miners? Well, the coal industry is cutting capacity and closing mines faster now than when Trump came into office: precisely as predicted by those who remain sane. Trump is now trying to stop it by Exec Order: sadly, economics will win.

So you are predicting that some day the Trump boom will end. Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Economics are cyclical. Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. In the meantime Trump is reversing the damage your i***t Obama caused.

Yes one day you will be right. We will have a recession and you can pat yourself on the back that you called it. In the meantime people are working. Coal may continue to decline because of the underlying economics, but at least we no longer have a scumbag President stabbing the coal industry in the back too.

So you are predicting that some day the Trump boom will end. Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Economics are cyclical. Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. In the meantime Trump is reversing the damage your i***t Obama caused.

Yes one day you will be right. We will have a recession and you can pat yourself on the back that you called it. In the meantime people are working. Coal may continue to decline because of the underlying economics, but at least we no longer have a scumbag President stabbing the coal industry in the back too.

Now picture yourself living in a town where coal mining is all there is, the sole means of support for 75% of the men living there, paying mortgages, maybe, property taxes and trying to raise a family. All this leaves you little to save, and the town isn't exactly a Mecca for incoming home buyers.

Then the fine folks in Washington DC implement anti-coal regulations that almost overnight make your and most of your friends' and acquaintances livelihoods disappear. There are no alternatives where you and your family are virtually stuck, you simply can't afford to relocate and...

These same people in Washington DC offer you no immediate alternatives for earning a living.

Do you think they -- in that particular case the Obama Administration, or the big city Democrats or any Democrats at all, for that matter, OR any environmental groups, give a flying (insert expletive), or even spare you a passing thought?

Of course not, to them it's simply another box checked on a liberal, to-hell-with-the-unwashed-masses political to-do list, they pat themselves on the back and go about their business.

And so many people are amazed, to this day, that Donald T***p w*n the e******n?

The shameless lack of empathy among the Democrats and their fellow travelers is grossly inhuman in every way, shape and form.

Tons of jobs, stock market out of its mind making money, wages up near 2%, how could I have any issue with the currect economy..

Well it all feels wrong.. nothing changed in my neck of the woods.. Same as we were in 2010.. why do I lay awake and worry about my grand kids and others making a living?

Looking for workers, need people. trained people.. money invested in updating many of the small business which make up the arrowhead of Minnesota..

Iron mining back to booming. but much opposition to nearly approved copper/nickel mining done by foreign companies..

so lets ask some experts, who have studied this boring stuff for a life time..

John Brazier is one of those who find economics so interesting he makes a living teaching it..

part of an article by him which he did not link, so all I have is the part I post..

>>>>>

I’m just going to focus on one area: the economy. Remember, despite Republican defiance and int***sigence, Obama hauled the US economy out of a massive recession and did it more quickly than any other country in the world (even though one might question some of his actions).

Trump, in the space of around 6 months - because he knows nothing about economics - has done the following:

Given a huge tax break to the wealthy and the corporations. This is meant to revitalize the economy. Unfortunately, the corporates don’t use it for investment but for share buy-backs, which artificially raises their stock value and thus raises the execs’ bonuses. The wealthy simply invest in the stock market, which further artificially raises the whole stock market value. The small amount that does make it to real business investment will actually do little because (a) the USA is near full employment: you can’t find people to fill the jobs, which causes wage inflation - the economy is overheating, and (b) we’re late in the business cycle: a slowdown is coming.
With the tax break, he has also declared a trade war with the whole of the world. These together significantly limits the government’s income, leading to more borrowing. In addition, Trump now has to borrow more so that he can subsidize soya farmers (for example) to keep them on-side during the war. The trade war will also directly hit US businesses, reducing their sales and profits, so slowing the economy down.
Trump is trying to stop the Fed from raising interest rates - which they must to (a) contain inflation, and (b) have enough ammunition in the interest rate to cut rates when the coming global recession will hit (and it is coming).
All these things are unfunded. The tax bill alone will increase the national debt by 1 to 2 trillion in the next few years; it is impossible to predict the borrowings needed for the trade war.
So Trump has created a huge bubble, riding on a perfect storm of unneeded stimulus, whilst simultaneously doing everything he can to shut down income flows - to both business and the government. And he’s trying to undermine the one institution that has the responsibility for trying to navigate the mess.

The result will be, come the next recession, an enormous crash which has the potential to make 2008 look like the warm-up act. For some time afterwards the economy will be a basket case and, which is unusual, one single culprit can and will be pointed out: Trump (with backup from the Republican party, who have appeared to have gone insane and abandoned everything they stood for, especially fiscal probity). He will go down in history as a terrible warning as to how the USA can screw up big-time if it really puts its mind to it.

So watch for the next few years: it could happen tomorrow, it could be years away. But it’s coming.

Just a final little stat to underline the great Trump competence. Remember his great stump promise about saving the coal miners? Well, the coal industry is cutting capacity and closing mines faster now than when Trump came into office: precisely as predicted by those who remain sane. Trump is now trying to stop it by Exec Order: sadly, economics will win.

Tons of jobs, stock market out of its mind making money, wages up near 2%, how could I have any issue with the currect economy..

Well it all feels wrong.. nothing changed in my neck of the woods.. Same as we were in 2010.. why do I lay awake and worry about my grand kids and others making a living?

Looking for workers, need people. trained people.. money invested in updating many of the small business which make up the arrowhead of Minnesota..

Iron mining back to booming. but much opposition to nearly approved copper/nickel mining done by foreign companies..

so lets ask some experts, who have studied this boring stuff for a life time..

John Brazier is one of those who find economics so interesting he makes a living teaching it..

part of an article by him which he did not link, so all I have is the part I post..

>>>>>

I’m just going to focus on one area: the economy. Remember, despite Republican defiance and int***sigence, Obama hauled the US economy out of a massive recession and did it more quickly than any other country in the world (even though one might question some of his actions).

Trump, in the space of around 6 months - because he knows nothing about economics - has done the following:

Given a huge tax break to the wealthy and the corporations. This is meant to revitalize the economy. Unfortunately, the corporates don’t use it for investment but for share buy-backs, which artificially raises their stock value and thus raises the execs’ bonuses. The wealthy simply invest in the stock market, which further artificially raises the whole stock market value. The small amount that does make it to real business investment will actually do little because (a) the USA is near full employment: you can’t find people to fill the jobs, which causes wage inflation - the economy is overheating, and (b) we’re late in the business cycle: a slowdown is coming.
With the tax break, he has also declared a trade war with the whole of the world. These together significantly limits the government’s income, leading to more borrowing. In addition, Trump now has to borrow more so that he can subsidize soya farmers (for example) to keep them on-side during the war. The trade war will also directly hit US businesses, reducing their sales and profits, so slowing the economy down.
Trump is trying to stop the Fed from raising interest rates - which they must to (a) contain inflation, and (b) have enough ammunition in the interest rate to cut rates when the coming global recession will hit (and it is coming).
All these things are unfunded. The tax bill alone will increase the national debt by 1 to 2 trillion in the next few years; it is impossible to predict the borrowings needed for the trade war.
So Trump has created a huge bubble, riding on a perfect storm of unneeded stimulus, whilst simultaneously doing everything he can to shut down income flows - to both business and the government. And he’s trying to undermine the one institution that has the responsibility for trying to navigate the mess.

The result will be, come the next recession, an enormous crash which has the potential to make 2008 look like the warm-up act. For some time afterwards the economy will be a basket case and, which is unusual, one single culprit can and will be pointed out: Trump (with backup from the Republican party, who have appeared to have gone insane and abandoned everything they stood for, especially fiscal probity). He will go down in history as a terrible warning as to how the USA can screw up big-time if it really puts its mind to it.

So watch for the next few years: it could happen tomorrow, it could be years away. But it’s coming.

Just a final little stat to underline the great Trump competence. Remember his great stump promise about saving the coal miners? Well, the coal industry is cutting capacity and closing mines faster now than when Trump came into office: precisely as predicted by those who remain sane. Trump is now trying to stop it by Exec Order: sadly, economics will win.