Don’t Get Trapped By Negativity
Sep 6, 2018 20:57:54 #
09/06/2018 Don’t Get Trapped By Negativity
Br. Joseph Graziano Dominican Order Of Preachers
https://catholicexchange.com/dont-get-trapped-by-negativity
How sad, how lack-luster a life he leads
Who delights to describe the death he sees.
How rotten be the heart of a brother
Who snivels ‘bout the rot in another!
One thing we can know for certain about heaven is that this is not it.
Anyone with eyes and ears knows well the incredible number of catastrophes, scandals, fights, wars, murders, and more insidious evils that the world teems with today.
The media reeks of bad news, taking “if it bleeds, it leads” to such a new height that the average local rag smells like a slaughterhouse. Of course, the major events are only symptoms of a deeper malady, one that eats away at our culture like leprosy or the plague.
In light of all these concerns, which I by no means intend to downplay, we can be tempted to fall into negativity and complaining, pointing out in person or on some social platform only the worst of things, ignoring the beauty of culture to speak only of apocalyptic cultural trends, or focusing on the sins movies make, rather than their wins. Even if we do not go so far as to publish our opinions, we can tend to highlight in our own minds those things that go wrong in our lives.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL8h3ri2WN_-IbviBlWtUcQ/videos
Negativity, though, boils down to a bitter-tasting lukewarm draught, like an unheated Cream of Broccoli soup. (If you are thinking “I like Cream of Broccoli soup,” you have clearly never had it cold.)
When we let ourselves stew in negativity, we soon become stuck in it. Rather than fighting to bring the Light to a twilit world—or at least admiring the sunset crimson glow still bathing the world—we stoop to merely commenting on how dark everything is getting.
Yes, there are many problems in the world: we live in a fallen world, full of wickedness and suffering. Yes, it is important to point out the malady so that people then see that they need the cure which Christ gave to His Church. Yes, we should seek perfection in all things.
But first, see the good of the thing that may be flawed, and do not despair that God permits those imperfections. Glory be to Him for dappled things, for in the variety and limitations of all created things, we see as in a mirror darkly the beauty of Him who is without change.
Once we are free of the chains of negativity, free to wonder in joy at the beauty of God present in the beauty of all creatures, and most especially in the beauty of each person, then we can truly shine like stars in the midst of a darkening world.
https://www.dominicanajournal.org/expansive-wonder/
https://www.dominicanajournal.org/living-the-wondrous-adventure/
Then, too, we can look beyond the current reality to the incredible potential in each person, and in doing so, we become, like God, a Lover, for only the lover can look past all current faults to see future good.
And, after all, since in Baptism the Holy Trinity comes to abide in our hearts, if we understand correctly that heaven is first and foremost dwelling in perfect joy in the presence of the Holy Trinity, then heaven has in fact already begun on earth.
https://www.dominicanajournal.org/heaven-on-earth/
https://www.dominicanajournal.org/7-spoilers-of-heaven/
“Oh Lord, God of Hosts, happy the man who trusts in you.”
Editor’s note: This article originally appeared on Dominicana, the Dominican student blog of the Province of St. Joseph, and is reprinted here with kind permission.
https://www.dominicanajournal.org/stuck-in-the-molasses-swamp/
Br. Joseph Graziano Dominican Order Of Preachers
https://catholicexchange.com/dont-get-trapped-by-negativity
How sad, how lack-luster a life he leads
Who delights to describe the death he sees.
How rotten be the heart of a brother
Who snivels ‘bout the rot in another!
One thing we can know for certain about heaven is that this is not it.
Anyone with eyes and ears knows well the incredible number of catastrophes, scandals, fights, wars, murders, and more insidious evils that the world teems with today.
The media reeks of bad news, taking “if it bleeds, it leads” to such a new height that the average local rag smells like a slaughterhouse. Of course, the major events are only symptoms of a deeper malady, one that eats away at our culture like leprosy or the plague.
In light of all these concerns, which I by no means intend to downplay, we can be tempted to fall into negativity and complaining, pointing out in person or on some social platform only the worst of things, ignoring the beauty of culture to speak only of apocalyptic cultural trends, or focusing on the sins movies make, rather than their wins. Even if we do not go so far as to publish our opinions, we can tend to highlight in our own minds those things that go wrong in our lives.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL8h3ri2WN_-IbviBlWtUcQ/videos
Negativity, though, boils down to a bitter-tasting lukewarm draught, like an unheated Cream of Broccoli soup. (If you are thinking “I like Cream of Broccoli soup,” you have clearly never had it cold.)
When we let ourselves stew in negativity, we soon become stuck in it. Rather than fighting to bring the Light to a twilit world—or at least admiring the sunset crimson glow still bathing the world—we stoop to merely commenting on how dark everything is getting.
Yes, there are many problems in the world: we live in a fallen world, full of wickedness and suffering. Yes, it is important to point out the malady so that people then see that they need the cure which Christ gave to His Church. Yes, we should seek perfection in all things.
But first, see the good of the thing that may be flawed, and do not despair that God permits those imperfections. Glory be to Him for dappled things, for in the variety and limitations of all created things, we see as in a mirror darkly the beauty of Him who is without change.
Once we are free of the chains of negativity, free to wonder in joy at the beauty of God present in the beauty of all creatures, and most especially in the beauty of each person, then we can truly shine like stars in the midst of a darkening world.
https://www.dominicanajournal.org/expansive-wonder/
https://www.dominicanajournal.org/living-the-wondrous-adventure/
Then, too, we can look beyond the current reality to the incredible potential in each person, and in doing so, we become, like God, a Lover, for only the lover can look past all current faults to see future good.
And, after all, since in Baptism the Holy Trinity comes to abide in our hearts, if we understand correctly that heaven is first and foremost dwelling in perfect joy in the presence of the Holy Trinity, then heaven has in fact already begun on earth.
https://www.dominicanajournal.org/heaven-on-earth/
https://www.dominicanajournal.org/7-spoilers-of-heaven/
“Oh Lord, God of Hosts, happy the man who trusts in you.”
Editor’s note: This article originally appeared on Dominicana, the Dominican student blog of the Province of St. Joseph, and is reprinted here with kind permission.
https://www.dominicanajournal.org/stuck-in-the-molasses-swamp/
Sep 6, 2018 22:17:42 #
Doc110 wrote:
09/06/2018 Don’t Get Trapped By Negativity br Br. ... (show quote)
Doc,
This is a better post of yours,
So in case you need the peace of God in your life (and we all certainly do!) here Bible verses that remind us just how amazing His peace truly is:
Doc, the peace of God will keep us from negativity and when bad things happen those without Jesus don't understand how a Christian can be joyous when their car transmission went out, they don't have funds to fix it, but they are happy not knowing how God will provide, but trusting the big things and the little things in our lives to God and then we can have supernatural joy and peace.
“These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world.” – John 16:33
Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all comprehension, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. – Philippians 4:6-7
The steadfast of mind You will keep in perfect peace, because he trusts in You. – Isaiah 26:3
In peace I will both lie down and sleep, for You alone, O Lord, make me to dwell in safety. – Psalm 4:8
Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body; and be thankful. – Colossians 3:15
For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace. – Romans 8:6
For, “The one who desires life, to love and see good days, must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from speaking deceit. He must turn away from evil and do good; he must seek peace and pursue it.” – 1 Peter 3:10-11
Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things. The things you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you. – Philippians 4:8-9
But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy. And the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace. – James 3:17-18
Now may the Lord of peace Himself continually grant you peace in every circumstance. The Lord be with you all! – 2 Thessalonians 3:16
If you need the peace of God in your life, never forget that you have the Holy Spirit living
Sep 6, 2018 22:35:45 #
Jack,
Both of these article were for you,
a. Don’t Get Trapped By Negativity
b. Finding Peace Amid The Storm . . .
In Christ,
Doc110
Both of these article were for you,
a. Don’t Get Trapped By Negativity
b. Finding Peace Amid The Storm . . .
In Christ,
Doc110
Sep 7, 2018 00:11:23 #
Doc110 wrote:
Jack,
Both of these article were for you,
a. Don’t Get Trapped By Negativity
b. Finding Peace Amid The Storm . . .
In Christ,
Doc110
Both of these article were for you,
a. Don’t Get Trapped By Negativity
b. Finding Peace Amid The Storm . . .
In Christ,
Doc110
For me specifically?
Doc, I know your a good guy, and in defense of faith emotions seep through.
The only way to communicate on these forums lacks facial expressions, voice inflections which loses meaning. No one would ever accuse me of being a writer so even more intent, motivating and effort to get my heart and mind across.
I promise you that you missed several points I tried to make in your other post..
To condense in the fewest words.... If you post a negative towards Christians, tit for tat and tried without success to let you know if we have the same God, same salvation (beliefs) then this stuff doesn't matter.
How difficult is it to search a few different search engines and find hundreds if not thousands of anti Catholic /Christian material? Rhetorical question.
Can we start over and examine our heart and beliefs on the one single thing that does or does not unit us? Who is Jesus, how must we be saved?
The agreement on this would unit us as brothers in Christ.
Other theology then could be discussed in love, because we both know the lord does not like division among his flock. Doesn't mean we can't disagree.
In his Service
Jack
Sep 7, 2018 02:07:46 #
Look jack,
These are the facts, deny them all you want, and re-read the thread, you would have responded differently than in the way you did.
I'm not here to get in a pissing match here with you, as to the events, you saw Radiance3 comments, and now your backtracking on her comments.
You didn't read the article, plain and simple . . . but you got pissed because you thought I was attacking your Protestants Church.
Nor did you comment on the article by Dr. Howell . . . and his article which was impart his conversion story and dispelling historical myths
Jack you got angry and all you did was to attack Cardinal Newman, and his quotation "Deep in History is to cease to be Protestant," and you took everything out of context in the article.
Then you copy, cut, and pasted a 4 page negative dissertation on Cardinal Newman.
Jack, face it, you sandbagged the article with a non sequitur fallacy reply, and derailed the actual content of the article from Dr. Howell.
I'm sorry but you did this intentionally and then you insulted me and the Catholic Church, calling out the Catholic Church a cult, with pagan symbolism photographs.
You my not have said it as much, but a picture that states these things, says a thousand words, that cannot be retracted.
Here is actually Dr. Howells topic and article in summation.
Deep In History: Breaking through the Myth’s of Christian History the article.
This article that I posted, it's identify and testify's to Dr, Howells conversion and his book on Galileo and two of his personal similarities an analogy quotations.
a. "Breaking through the Myth’s of Christian History."
b. "Being deep in history, is to cease being Protestant."
Dr. Howell really did write an inspiring book and developed his article-speech, combining his 40 year as a protestant Minister and his conversion to the Catholic Church, after writing the "Galileo Affair" trial myth book.
And the difficult sequence of events, beginning around 1610, culminating with the trial and condemnation of Galileo Galilei by the Roman Catholic Church.
a. Dr Howell proved that history got it wrong, and created a myth about Galileo Galilei trial
b. And Dr. Howell proved that history has got it wrong, with the negative historical myth about the Roman Catholic Church.
History has a way of painting myths and changing the truth as with "Galileo" and the Catholic Church.
The same analogy myths,
In Dr. Howell article, he used a personal analogy about historical myths, "Breaking through the Myth’s of Christian History."
Dr. Howell then dispelled the Historical myths that history has made about the Catholic Church, as he researched his own preconceived protestant myths which he dispelled.
Hence, me posting the article, it was a beautiful personal conversion story and a historical book.
Dr. Howell then proved Cardinal Newman quotation. "Being deep in history, is to cease being Protestant."
It all comes down to
Ignatius letters to the Ephesian’s:
d. “Therefor it is fitting that you agree with the will of the Bishop, just as you are doing, your rightly famous Presbyters (body of Priests), is worthy of God. It is in harmony with the Bishop like strings tuned on a harp. For this reason Jesus Christ is praised in your harmony and in your united Love.”
Theirs all kinds of implications of what Ignatius says there.
What I came to realize is this, that you are faced with a choice, when you look at Early Church history.
When you study the New Testament and when you study these Early Church documents. You are forced either to accept what we could call “Continuity or Discontinuity.”
Now, “Discontinuity” is the belief that somehow right after the closing of the Apostolic age and the New Testament. The Church declined into “sub-sub-Christian form.”
Example: That when you read the “Didache” the Apostolic Church Fathers and letters of Saint Ignatius of Antioch. etc.
I think you’ll see that the kind of Christianity in those documents, is that not of the New Testament.
That’s quite a statement. What that means then, that in some way the Church did not continue the teaching of the Apostles.
Christians have two choices:
a. Either Christians believe in the “Discontinuity Idea,” and that makes sense for Protestants go back to the “Bible Alone” (Sola Scriptura).
Christians have another choice
b. Or could believe in what Jesus Christ once said. “That I will build my Church and the “Gates of Hell” well not prevail against it.” And the Gates of Hell will certainly try to destroy the Church, but God will not allow that to happen.
So, their must be “Continuity” throughout the History of the Church. In it’s Liturgy, in the way it Worships, in It’s Government and in It’s Doctrine.
One need to reflect on your Churches Doctrinal points that are so difficult for some people.
So should you become Catholic because of: Liturgical, Cultural, Intellectual and Doctrinal reasons.
Becoming Catholic, it should be, for all the above . . .
This is the nature of the Early Catholic Church and through the centuries of Catholic-Universal Church.
This is the “The Journey Home” for all Christians and be sealed indelibly with the mark of Jesus Christ, upon conformation when asked by the Bishop.
Here is the true very Nature of Catholicism.
Do you believe, all that this Holy Catholic Church teaches.
Absolutely with all my heart:
I believe everything has taught, by the Catholic Church, does teach and will teach, because this is the instrument of God, to bring Christian people to the fullness of Jesus Christ salvation graces and total love and worship of our God.
The Catholic understandings of Justification, Sanctification and Grace.
www.reasonablecatholicism.com/resources/Justification
b. http://DeepinHistory.com
C. http://chnetwork.org
These are the facts, deny them all you want, and re-read the thread, you would have responded differently than in the way you did.
I'm not here to get in a pissing match here with you, as to the events, you saw Radiance3 comments, and now your backtracking on her comments.
You didn't read the article, plain and simple . . . but you got pissed because you thought I was attacking your Protestants Church.
Nor did you comment on the article by Dr. Howell . . . and his article which was impart his conversion story and dispelling historical myths
Jack you got angry and all you did was to attack Cardinal Newman, and his quotation "Deep in History is to cease to be Protestant," and you took everything out of context in the article.
Then you copy, cut, and pasted a 4 page negative dissertation on Cardinal Newman.
Jack, face it, you sandbagged the article with a non sequitur fallacy reply, and derailed the actual content of the article from Dr. Howell.
I'm sorry but you did this intentionally and then you insulted me and the Catholic Church, calling out the Catholic Church a cult, with pagan symbolism photographs.
You my not have said it as much, but a picture that states these things, says a thousand words, that cannot be retracted.
Here is actually Dr. Howells topic and article in summation.
Deep In History: Breaking through the Myth’s of Christian History the article.
This article that I posted, it's identify and testify's to Dr, Howells conversion and his book on Galileo and two of his personal similarities an analogy quotations.
a. "Breaking through the Myth’s of Christian History."
b. "Being deep in history, is to cease being Protestant."
Dr. Howell really did write an inspiring book and developed his article-speech, combining his 40 year as a protestant Minister and his conversion to the Catholic Church, after writing the "Galileo Affair" trial myth book.
And the difficult sequence of events, beginning around 1610, culminating with the trial and condemnation of Galileo Galilei by the Roman Catholic Church.
a. Dr Howell proved that history got it wrong, and created a myth about Galileo Galilei trial
b. And Dr. Howell proved that history has got it wrong, with the negative historical myth about the Roman Catholic Church.
History has a way of painting myths and changing the truth as with "Galileo" and the Catholic Church.
The same analogy myths,
In Dr. Howell article, he used a personal analogy about historical myths, "Breaking through the Myth’s of Christian History."
Dr. Howell then dispelled the Historical myths that history has made about the Catholic Church, as he researched his own preconceived protestant myths which he dispelled.
Hence, me posting the article, it was a beautiful personal conversion story and a historical book.
Dr. Howell then proved Cardinal Newman quotation. "Being deep in history, is to cease being Protestant."
It all comes down to
Ignatius letters to the Ephesian’s:
d. “Therefor it is fitting that you agree with the will of the Bishop, just as you are doing, your rightly famous Presbyters (body of Priests), is worthy of God. It is in harmony with the Bishop like strings tuned on a harp. For this reason Jesus Christ is praised in your harmony and in your united Love.”
Theirs all kinds of implications of what Ignatius says there.
What I came to realize is this, that you are faced with a choice, when you look at Early Church history.
When you study the New Testament and when you study these Early Church documents. You are forced either to accept what we could call “Continuity or Discontinuity.”
Now, “Discontinuity” is the belief that somehow right after the closing of the Apostolic age and the New Testament. The Church declined into “sub-sub-Christian form.”
Example: That when you read the “Didache” the Apostolic Church Fathers and letters of Saint Ignatius of Antioch. etc.
I think you’ll see that the kind of Christianity in those documents, is that not of the New Testament.
That’s quite a statement. What that means then, that in some way the Church did not continue the teaching of the Apostles.
Christians have two choices:
a. Either Christians believe in the “Discontinuity Idea,” and that makes sense for Protestants go back to the “Bible Alone” (Sola Scriptura).
Christians have another choice
b. Or could believe in what Jesus Christ once said. “That I will build my Church and the “Gates of Hell” well not prevail against it.” And the Gates of Hell will certainly try to destroy the Church, but God will not allow that to happen.
So, their must be “Continuity” throughout the History of the Church. In it’s Liturgy, in the way it Worships, in It’s Government and in It’s Doctrine.
One need to reflect on your Churches Doctrinal points that are so difficult for some people.
So should you become Catholic because of: Liturgical, Cultural, Intellectual and Doctrinal reasons.
Becoming Catholic, it should be, for all the above . . .
This is the nature of the Early Catholic Church and through the centuries of Catholic-Universal Church.
This is the “The Journey Home” for all Christians and be sealed indelibly with the mark of Jesus Christ, upon conformation when asked by the Bishop.
Here is the true very Nature of Catholicism.
Do you believe, all that this Holy Catholic Church teaches.
Absolutely with all my heart:
I believe everything has taught, by the Catholic Church, does teach and will teach, because this is the instrument of God, to bring Christian people to the fullness of Jesus Christ salvation graces and total love and worship of our God.
The Catholic understandings of Justification, Sanctification and Grace.
www.reasonablecatholicism.com/resources/Justification
b. http://DeepinHistory.com
C. http://chnetwork.org
Sep 7, 2018 11:33:03 #
jack sequim wa,
Look jack, Currently we have this ongoing religious saga-drama and type of historical religious strife fundamentalism of jack sequim wa.
And problems that you have with the Catholic Christian Church, teaching and theology.
Here is the problem Jack, . . . It's with your protestant viewpoint and your failure to understand the 19 centuries of historical Catholic biblical spiritual and foundational teaching of Christian Catholics.
a. Being Catholic, It is a beautiful way of religious spiritual life. A way set fourth by Jesus Christ, the Apostles, The Early Church Fathers, Popes, Bishops, and Clergy throughout the centuries.
b. Catholic Christianity is a way of living life, and is practicing in a daily prayerful living of life, through the Sacraments in our present day, un-spiritual world.
c. It is a peaceful rest, and is a notion of daily spiritual renewal, within the ever-coming secular storms, of populism and the present day modernistic culture machine, that we live in.
d. With all demands and daily pressures of this secular world, from the media, and all the modernism conformity the present day "Me generation." Catholic Christianity is my rock, my salvation and is actually knowing what Jesus taught, through his ancient Church and present day Apostolic continuity.
Teaching and practicing the sacramental rite's, specifically the teaching of the Holy Eucharist.
How we are to receive Our Lord Jesus Christ, daily and weekly Mass. In Jesus's Catholic Mass we celebrate the Christ centered paschal mysteries and Gods love.
e. There is simplicity in the historical teaching of the Christian Catholic Church. Being a cradle Catholic, it is a "one on one" spiritual relationship, with a continual learning and wave after wave of spiritual understanding and growth.
With-in Jesus Christ, and His foundational Church, through His sacraments, through prayer, and acting through the precepts of our Christian Catholic prayers, faith and ancient teaching, the present day practiced belief and Christian Catholic-Universal heritage.
Look Jack you're a very complicated, Christian guy.
And especially with your brand type of Protestant Evangelical, confrontational type of Christianity.
Yours is a direct, "no non-sense," Christian approach of hard in-your face Christian fundamentalist theology and beliefs system.
And a "no non-sense," conformity, and or, tolerance fundamentalist theology, and an evangelist teaching, of the spreading the good news Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Thats the problem, here and now, specifically, Jack.
Your Church has specific "blinders-on" belief system, that defiantly can't tolerate any other Christian teaching and theology.
Then it is a series of fundamentalist countering questions, or a mirroring of your Christian religious belief that is ever-ceasing.
Jack, you clearly said it in this statement of yours, and in you're reply comments, which is, a dualistic-conundrum judgmental opinion.
You said, "I have deep roots in theology and know that many of the Protestant church's have fallen away from biblical teachings, just as the lord said in the last days there will be a falling away.
But there are Protestant churches on fire with biblical teachings so we don't attack and say the Protestant church's are false.
But acknowledge that there are some teaching and some not the word of God, same with the Catholic church, some priest are not the shinning light while others are."
Jack, you're very Christian Church, It's very nature is so complicated and ambiguous, especially in your very opinionated statements and comments, and your Christianity beliefs swings, like a pendulum in the wind.
At time it can be offensive and demeaning, especially when you say these cruel and hurtful words. At other times your Christianity has conviction and a thoughtfulness.
I extend another example of your "duality-conundrum" fundamentalist Christian nature.
Dated 09/06/2018 OPP Article, Don’t Get Trapped By Negativity
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-140112-1.html
jack sequim wa, said "For me specifically" ?
Doc, I know your a good guy, and in defense of faith emotions seep through.
The only way to communicate on these forums lacks facial expressions, voice inflections which loses meaning.
No one would ever accuse me of being a writer so even more intent, motivating and effort to get my heart and mind across.
I promise you that you missed several points I tried to make in your other post..
To condense in the fewest words....
If you post a negative towards Christians, tit for tat and tried without success to let you know if we have the same God, same salvation (beliefs) then this stuff doesn't matter.
How difficult is it to search a few different search engines and find hundreds if not thousands of anti Catholic /Christian material? Rhetorical question.
Can we start over and examine our heart and beliefs on the one single thing that does or does not unit us?
Who is Jesus, how must we be saved?
The agreement on this would unit us as brothers in Christ.
Other theology then could be discussed in love, because we both know the lord does not like division among his flock.
Doesn't mean we can't disagree.
In his Service
Jack
Jack I don't have the time to argue and disagree with you, on every single topic and article, that you disagree with.
Then to comment on and this every ongoing religious saga-drama and type of personal conflict and historical religious strife of jack sequim wa. Seek spiritual counseling if you need help, I'm not your therapist about the Catholic Christian Church, teaching and theology.
Clearly you disagree on everything that does not satisfy your Churches and personal convictions.
Doc110
Look jack, Currently we have this ongoing religious saga-drama and type of historical religious strife fundamentalism of jack sequim wa.
And problems that you have with the Catholic Christian Church, teaching and theology.
Here is the problem Jack, . . . It's with your protestant viewpoint and your failure to understand the 19 centuries of historical Catholic biblical spiritual and foundational teaching of Christian Catholics.
a. Being Catholic, It is a beautiful way of religious spiritual life. A way set fourth by Jesus Christ, the Apostles, The Early Church Fathers, Popes, Bishops, and Clergy throughout the centuries.
b. Catholic Christianity is a way of living life, and is practicing in a daily prayerful living of life, through the Sacraments in our present day, un-spiritual world.
c. It is a peaceful rest, and is a notion of daily spiritual renewal, within the ever-coming secular storms, of populism and the present day modernistic culture machine, that we live in.
d. With all demands and daily pressures of this secular world, from the media, and all the modernism conformity the present day "Me generation." Catholic Christianity is my rock, my salvation and is actually knowing what Jesus taught, through his ancient Church and present day Apostolic continuity.
Teaching and practicing the sacramental rite's, specifically the teaching of the Holy Eucharist.
How we are to receive Our Lord Jesus Christ, daily and weekly Mass. In Jesus's Catholic Mass we celebrate the Christ centered paschal mysteries and Gods love.
e. There is simplicity in the historical teaching of the Christian Catholic Church. Being a cradle Catholic, it is a "one on one" spiritual relationship, with a continual learning and wave after wave of spiritual understanding and growth.
With-in Jesus Christ, and His foundational Church, through His sacraments, through prayer, and acting through the precepts of our Christian Catholic prayers, faith and ancient teaching, the present day practiced belief and Christian Catholic-Universal heritage.
Look Jack you're a very complicated, Christian guy.
And especially with your brand type of Protestant Evangelical, confrontational type of Christianity.
Yours is a direct, "no non-sense," Christian approach of hard in-your face Christian fundamentalist theology and beliefs system.
And a "no non-sense," conformity, and or, tolerance fundamentalist theology, and an evangelist teaching, of the spreading the good news Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Thats the problem, here and now, specifically, Jack.
Your Church has specific "blinders-on" belief system, that defiantly can't tolerate any other Christian teaching and theology.
Then it is a series of fundamentalist countering questions, or a mirroring of your Christian religious belief that is ever-ceasing.
Jack, you clearly said it in this statement of yours, and in you're reply comments, which is, a dualistic-conundrum judgmental opinion.
You said, "I have deep roots in theology and know that many of the Protestant church's have fallen away from biblical teachings, just as the lord said in the last days there will be a falling away.
But there are Protestant churches on fire with biblical teachings so we don't attack and say the Protestant church's are false.
But acknowledge that there are some teaching and some not the word of God, same with the Catholic church, some priest are not the shinning light while others are."
Jack, you're very Christian Church, It's very nature is so complicated and ambiguous, especially in your very opinionated statements and comments, and your Christianity beliefs swings, like a pendulum in the wind.
At time it can be offensive and demeaning, especially when you say these cruel and hurtful words. At other times your Christianity has conviction and a thoughtfulness.
I extend another example of your "duality-conundrum" fundamentalist Christian nature.
Dated 09/06/2018 OPP Article, Don’t Get Trapped By Negativity
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-140112-1.html
jack sequim wa, said "For me specifically" ?
Doc, I know your a good guy, and in defense of faith emotions seep through.
The only way to communicate on these forums lacks facial expressions, voice inflections which loses meaning.
No one would ever accuse me of being a writer so even more intent, motivating and effort to get my heart and mind across.
I promise you that you missed several points I tried to make in your other post..
To condense in the fewest words....
If you post a negative towards Christians, tit for tat and tried without success to let you know if we have the same God, same salvation (beliefs) then this stuff doesn't matter.
How difficult is it to search a few different search engines and find hundreds if not thousands of anti Catholic /Christian material? Rhetorical question.
Can we start over and examine our heart and beliefs on the one single thing that does or does not unit us?
Who is Jesus, how must we be saved?
The agreement on this would unit us as brothers in Christ.
Other theology then could be discussed in love, because we both know the lord does not like division among his flock.
Doesn't mean we can't disagree.
In his Service
Jack
Jack I don't have the time to argue and disagree with you, on every single topic and article, that you disagree with.
Then to comment on and this every ongoing religious saga-drama and type of personal conflict and historical religious strife of jack sequim wa. Seek spiritual counseling if you need help, I'm not your therapist about the Catholic Christian Church, teaching and theology.
Clearly you disagree on everything that does not satisfy your Churches and personal convictions.
Doc110
Sep 7, 2018 15:00:21 #
Doc110 wrote:
jack sequim wa, br br br Look jack, Currently we... (show quote)
I have few examples in my life when I encountered someone so apt to read into, read between the lines, push something completely different than the intended meanings that I wrote.
I said I'm no writer, but know I'm not that bad. You do have a preset ideals and lasered into misconceptions of my every word. Perhaps our other thread will stand a chance of addressing just one, not twenty topics.
Sep 7, 2018 18:33:12 #
Jack,
Go and ride a camels hump.
Your disingenuous, and it really does show.
Yours in Christ
Doc110
Go and ride a camels hump.
Your disingenuous, and it really does show.
Yours in Christ
Doc110
Sep 8, 2018 12:38:42 #
Doc110 wrote:
Jack,
Go and ride a camels hump.
Your disingenuous, and it really does show.
Yours in Christ
Doc110
Go and ride a camels hump.
Your disingenuous, and it really does show.
Yours in Christ
Doc110
Gee Doc, your so kind hearted. Insults instead of what kind of response?
Sep 9, 2018 01:05:39 #
Jack,
Hope you finally understand factual message and understand there's ("NO") common or personal bridge between the both of us.
Frankly, I just don't like your disingenuous religious evangelical fundamentalist, arrogant superior style.
Catholic Christian eschatology, (doctrine of end-times) (the Great Apostasy-Parousia)
a. Amillennialism
b. Dispensationalism
c. Millennialism
d. Pre-tribulation-rapture theology movements
e. Dominionism post-millennial eschatology
Rapture Doctrine invented by John Darby in 1830 AD - Bible.ca
www.bible.ca/rapture-origin-john-nelson-darby-1830...
Catholic Encyclopedia: Eschatology - www.New Advent.com
www.newadvent.org/cathen/05528b.htm
Catholic Eschatology: The First Part of the Tribulation - Catholic Planet
www.catholicplanet.com/tribulation/
Catechism of the Catholic Church - "From thence He will come again ...
www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p...
Catholic Eschatology - Holy Trinity
www.holytrinityptc.org/catholic-eschatology.html
End-times, Millennium, Rapture - EWTN
https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/endtimes.htm
The Rapture Heresy in a Nutshell - Speray's Catholicism in ...
https://stevensperay.wordpress.com/2009/04/25/the-...
So I'm going with my gut feelings on this one, on your extended rollercoaster, religious dramatic encounter with you.
Your negative comments, your anti-Catholic sentiments and just your "in-your face" personal religious bigoted opinion attitude.
It's just very difficult to have a normal conversation with you, and dealing with your belligerent-obtuse attitude, the dialogue happens to have a "conversation within a conversation" religious satire.
fact's, . . . Facts, . . . FACT's . . . that's my writing style and demeanor.
Unlike yours, it's frilled with so-many underling fundamentalist religious agendas, and with a religious-guile undertone, insinuation overtones, it's just difficult to deal with you as a human being.
Knowing that your fundamentalist personal alter-ego, will skewer, the person any chance you get, in the back.
Example: You sandbagged in the article post, right from your first four reply posts.
"Deep In History: Breaking through the Myth’s of Christian History"
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-139582-1.html
Jack, Stand up and take a bow for the religious dramatics.
You get an Oscar, . . . Emmy and a . . . Pulitzer prize, but I'm leaving out the Nobel prize . . . for technical reasons.
Jack in our dialogue and your comments. I find that your questions are quit ambiguous and are open-ended, are stereotypical , hypothetical, and applies to every question, it extends to the even remotest imaginal and inconceivable possible religious situation and scenario.
So I defiantly, won't go down that Vietnam rat hole writing situation with you. Hope you understand what a tunnel rat was in the Vietnam war, and did . . .
So as I said, jack you are very devious in your personal religious demeanor and have a religiously combative disingenuous attitude.
Dam, I hope that I wouldn't have to pray for you, . . . but I am.
Really Jack, please seek some spiritual counseling, maybe try reflecting on that rough fundamentalist type of demeanor of yours, why not go and see a priest in the confessional.
Jack, heres what you did . . . to the article "Deep In History: Breaking through the Myth’s of Christian History"
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-139582-1.html
a. You see, I know what you, did . . . and you used a Non-Sequester, Ad-Hominem, Straw-Man fallacy to deflect from what the article, and was intended to teach.
b. Everybody on the OPP Forum reading on the "Spirituality-Religious" section knows what you did, . . . with over 200 readers, the Cats out of the bag, Jack.
c. But only you Jack, are in total denial and can't admit what you did was wrong, and was Religiously disingenuous.
d. Then you come off, and provokingly, say I was attacking Protestants.
The facts and religious topics and barrier were presented in the article, which from the beginning, you took as, to undermine and attack your Faith and religion.
d. The article was a heart felt Catholic apologist conversion story. Which you took deep offense too.
Especially “To be deep in history, is to cease to be Protestant.”
Jack you don't know history, let alone Early Church History, and the Early Church Patristic Fathers. Do some research, and then you will find that the statement is true.
Hence your irrepressible religious attitude towards me.
a. Tell me Jack Did you adhere to the typical question and answer on Article topics, . . . found on the OPP Forum ?
b. No, you sandbagged the article process, right from the beginning . . . reply post ?
c. And were religiously offensive through-out the typical "question and answer session" . . . ?
d. Yes, You proceeded to download a 4 page desertion, on how wrong Cardinal Newman, was for converting to Catholicism from the Anglican Church.
e. Then you posted a religious hate picture, equating the Catholic Church with paganism and being a cultic dark satanic practices.
How much more can you be religiously disingenuous ? in your opinions, . . . Really ! ! !
But it even gets worse . . .
f. Then you have the audacity to say you studied under a religious professor, at a college ?
And that makes you an expert on paganism and being a cult. So where is your college degree ? Or was this just a class, that you took and not a theology major.
g. And so you say you studied religious cults, e.g. Mormonism, Jehovah Witnesses, Seventh-Day Adventist, Christian Scientist, etc. . . . ?
Hmmmm. . . . We both understand the definition of what heretical movements are. Here is a refresher and URL link for you to remember.
Catholic Encyclopedia: Heresy - www.NewAdvent.com
www.newadvent.org/cathen/07256b.htm
Catholic Essentials - Heresy. www.catholicessentials.net
www.catholicessentials.net/heresy.htm
Look Jack, The Catholic Church has been at the center of Theology and Cannon law, for almost 2,000 years and have been at the forefront, originated and constitutes the definition of paganism, what a cult is, what idolatry and heretical movements are.
But people like you and other Protestant fundamentalists, the new enlightened "new-age reformists."
Have turn the established definitions and current word vernacular and have up-end the words.
To suit your religious needs, and your narrow-mindedness Biblical viewpoint of "Sola Scriptura," the Bible only. You don't look at the totally of what is outside of the Bible.
What complete religious Hubris you have, what an encompassing religious ignorance, and naiveness.
Of course there is religious biblical information out there, by religious historians, theologians, encyclopedias, concordances, what ignorance and religious bliss that you live by.
Hence the phrase, by Cardinal Newman, who got your religious goat.
The religious historic facts that you can't even dispute. But I know you will try . . .
Jack, and I haven't even started the heretical movements from AD 1177 - 2018.
And I know that will set your rockets "to the moon Alice." . . . From the Jacky Gleason show, and famous comment to his wife.
45 Major Heretical Movements Declared By The Early Christian Church And Medieval Heresies 33 - 1177 A.D.
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-139945-1.html
But, now I challenge you and your superior applied thinking skills, knowledge and religious educational wisdom, to disprove the Catholic Church is heretical and is a paganstic cult.
a. Religious polytheism . . . Catholic Encyclopedia: Paganism - www.NewAdvent.com
www.newadvent.org/cathen/11388a.htm
b. Religious Cults, symbolism, pagan rituals and idols.
Pagan Monotheism and Pagan Cult | Society for Classical Studies www.classicalstudies.org
https://classicalstudies.org/annual-meeting/147/ab...
c. Catholic Encyclopedia: Idolatry - www.NewAdvent.com
www.newadvent.org/cathen/07636a.htm
Idolatry etymologically denotes Divine worship given to an image, but its
signification ... For it is, by definition, an inroad on God's sovereignty
d. Catholic Encyclopedia: Idolatry - www.catholic.org ...
https://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=...
e. Fr. Hardon Archives - Sects and Cults - The Real Presence www.therealpresence.org
www.therealpresence.org/archives/Heresies_Heretics...
f. Catechism of the Catholic Church - The first commandment, definition of veneration and worship. www.vatican.va
www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p...
Again Jack, how disingenuous of you, what kind of a sly fundamentalist, devious creature you are ?
Jack, Once bitten Twice Shy and Wary of the human snake . . . . Be wary of the snakes in the grass. e.g. on the OPP Forum, Spirituality, Religious section.
You see in every article, your comment and reply . . . you've been disingenuous, you can't help it, it's the legalistic pros questioning that is insulting.
Jack, You always go the Religious low, road . . .
Which is to divert the real focus of an OPP article on the forum, and immediately put the other person on the oral and written defensive . . .
e.g. Subliminally your type of questioning of the persons, religion, faith, and their belief.
Jack, It's just another writing fallacy idiom, that your well adept at, and a personal type of superior smugness and demeanor that you have in you're writing style that you make the other person, have them to Justify their religion, faith, and their belief.
Jack when you do get a chance, and really want have a realistic dialogue to discuss article,.
Thats after you have read the article, and or watched the video, then understand and comprehended the article and video. Maybe then there could be a meaningful cordial dialogue with out any religious baggage.
Yours in Christ,
Doc110
Hope you finally understand factual message and understand there's ("NO") common or personal bridge between the both of us.
Frankly, I just don't like your disingenuous religious evangelical fundamentalist, arrogant superior style.
Catholic Christian eschatology, (doctrine of end-times) (the Great Apostasy-Parousia)
a. Amillennialism
b. Dispensationalism
c. Millennialism
d. Pre-tribulation-rapture theology movements
e. Dominionism post-millennial eschatology
Rapture Doctrine invented by John Darby in 1830 AD - Bible.ca
www.bible.ca/rapture-origin-john-nelson-darby-1830...
Catholic Encyclopedia: Eschatology - www.New Advent.com
www.newadvent.org/cathen/05528b.htm
Catholic Eschatology: The First Part of the Tribulation - Catholic Planet
www.catholicplanet.com/tribulation/
Catechism of the Catholic Church - "From thence He will come again ...
www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p...
Catholic Eschatology - Holy Trinity
www.holytrinityptc.org/catholic-eschatology.html
End-times, Millennium, Rapture - EWTN
https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/endtimes.htm
The Rapture Heresy in a Nutshell - Speray's Catholicism in ...
https://stevensperay.wordpress.com/2009/04/25/the-...
So I'm going with my gut feelings on this one, on your extended rollercoaster, religious dramatic encounter with you.
Your negative comments, your anti-Catholic sentiments and just your "in-your face" personal religious bigoted opinion attitude.
It's just very difficult to have a normal conversation with you, and dealing with your belligerent-obtuse attitude, the dialogue happens to have a "conversation within a conversation" religious satire.
fact's, . . . Facts, . . . FACT's . . . that's my writing style and demeanor.
Unlike yours, it's frilled with so-many underling fundamentalist religious agendas, and with a religious-guile undertone, insinuation overtones, it's just difficult to deal with you as a human being.
Knowing that your fundamentalist personal alter-ego, will skewer, the person any chance you get, in the back.
Example: You sandbagged in the article post, right from your first four reply posts.
"Deep In History: Breaking through the Myth’s of Christian History"
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-139582-1.html
Jack, Stand up and take a bow for the religious dramatics.
You get an Oscar, . . . Emmy and a . . . Pulitzer prize, but I'm leaving out the Nobel prize . . . for technical reasons.
Jack in our dialogue and your comments. I find that your questions are quit ambiguous and are open-ended, are stereotypical , hypothetical, and applies to every question, it extends to the even remotest imaginal and inconceivable possible religious situation and scenario.
So I defiantly, won't go down that Vietnam rat hole writing situation with you. Hope you understand what a tunnel rat was in the Vietnam war, and did . . .
So as I said, jack you are very devious in your personal religious demeanor and have a religiously combative disingenuous attitude.
Dam, I hope that I wouldn't have to pray for you, . . . but I am.
Really Jack, please seek some spiritual counseling, maybe try reflecting on that rough fundamentalist type of demeanor of yours, why not go and see a priest in the confessional.
Jack, heres what you did . . . to the article "Deep In History: Breaking through the Myth’s of Christian History"
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-139582-1.html
a. You see, I know what you, did . . . and you used a Non-Sequester, Ad-Hominem, Straw-Man fallacy to deflect from what the article, and was intended to teach.
b. Everybody on the OPP Forum reading on the "Spirituality-Religious" section knows what you did, . . . with over 200 readers, the Cats out of the bag, Jack.
c. But only you Jack, are in total denial and can't admit what you did was wrong, and was Religiously disingenuous.
d. Then you come off, and provokingly, say I was attacking Protestants.
The facts and religious topics and barrier were presented in the article, which from the beginning, you took as, to undermine and attack your Faith and religion.
d. The article was a heart felt Catholic apologist conversion story. Which you took deep offense too.
Especially “To be deep in history, is to cease to be Protestant.”
Jack you don't know history, let alone Early Church History, and the Early Church Patristic Fathers. Do some research, and then you will find that the statement is true.
Hence your irrepressible religious attitude towards me.
a. Tell me Jack Did you adhere to the typical question and answer on Article topics, . . . found on the OPP Forum ?
b. No, you sandbagged the article process, right from the beginning . . . reply post ?
c. And were religiously offensive through-out the typical "question and answer session" . . . ?
d. Yes, You proceeded to download a 4 page desertion, on how wrong Cardinal Newman, was for converting to Catholicism from the Anglican Church.
e. Then you posted a religious hate picture, equating the Catholic Church with paganism and being a cultic dark satanic practices.
How much more can you be religiously disingenuous ? in your opinions, . . . Really ! ! !
But it even gets worse . . .
f. Then you have the audacity to say you studied under a religious professor, at a college ?
And that makes you an expert on paganism and being a cult. So where is your college degree ? Or was this just a class, that you took and not a theology major.
g. And so you say you studied religious cults, e.g. Mormonism, Jehovah Witnesses, Seventh-Day Adventist, Christian Scientist, etc. . . . ?
Hmmmm. . . . We both understand the definition of what heretical movements are. Here is a refresher and URL link for you to remember.
Catholic Encyclopedia: Heresy - www.NewAdvent.com
www.newadvent.org/cathen/07256b.htm
Catholic Essentials - Heresy. www.catholicessentials.net
www.catholicessentials.net/heresy.htm
Look Jack, The Catholic Church has been at the center of Theology and Cannon law, for almost 2,000 years and have been at the forefront, originated and constitutes the definition of paganism, what a cult is, what idolatry and heretical movements are.
But people like you and other Protestant fundamentalists, the new enlightened "new-age reformists."
Have turn the established definitions and current word vernacular and have up-end the words.
To suit your religious needs, and your narrow-mindedness Biblical viewpoint of "Sola Scriptura," the Bible only. You don't look at the totally of what is outside of the Bible.
What complete religious Hubris you have, what an encompassing religious ignorance, and naiveness.
Of course there is religious biblical information out there, by religious historians, theologians, encyclopedias, concordances, what ignorance and religious bliss that you live by.
Hence the phrase, by Cardinal Newman, who got your religious goat.
The religious historic facts that you can't even dispute. But I know you will try . . .
Jack, and I haven't even started the heretical movements from AD 1177 - 2018.
And I know that will set your rockets "to the moon Alice." . . . From the Jacky Gleason show, and famous comment to his wife.
45 Major Heretical Movements Declared By The Early Christian Church And Medieval Heresies 33 - 1177 A.D.
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-139945-1.html
But, now I challenge you and your superior applied thinking skills, knowledge and religious educational wisdom, to disprove the Catholic Church is heretical and is a paganstic cult.
a. Religious polytheism . . . Catholic Encyclopedia: Paganism - www.NewAdvent.com
www.newadvent.org/cathen/11388a.htm
b. Religious Cults, symbolism, pagan rituals and idols.
Pagan Monotheism and Pagan Cult | Society for Classical Studies www.classicalstudies.org
https://classicalstudies.org/annual-meeting/147/ab...
c. Catholic Encyclopedia: Idolatry - www.NewAdvent.com
www.newadvent.org/cathen/07636a.htm
Idolatry etymologically denotes Divine worship given to an image, but its
signification ... For it is, by definition, an inroad on God's sovereignty
d. Catholic Encyclopedia: Idolatry - www.catholic.org ...
https://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=...
e. Fr. Hardon Archives - Sects and Cults - The Real Presence www.therealpresence.org
www.therealpresence.org/archives/Heresies_Heretics...
f. Catechism of the Catholic Church - The first commandment, definition of veneration and worship. www.vatican.va
www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p...
Again Jack, how disingenuous of you, what kind of a sly fundamentalist, devious creature you are ?
Jack, Once bitten Twice Shy and Wary of the human snake . . . . Be wary of the snakes in the grass. e.g. on the OPP Forum, Spirituality, Religious section.
You see in every article, your comment and reply . . . you've been disingenuous, you can't help it, it's the legalistic pros questioning that is insulting.
Jack, You always go the Religious low, road . . .
Which is to divert the real focus of an OPP article on the forum, and immediately put the other person on the oral and written defensive . . .
e.g. Subliminally your type of questioning of the persons, religion, faith, and their belief.
Jack, It's just another writing fallacy idiom, that your well adept at, and a personal type of superior smugness and demeanor that you have in you're writing style that you make the other person, have them to Justify their religion, faith, and their belief.
Jack when you do get a chance, and really want have a realistic dialogue to discuss article,.
Thats after you have read the article, and or watched the video, then understand and comprehended the article and video. Maybe then there could be a meaningful cordial dialogue with out any religious baggage.
Yours in Christ,
Doc110
Sep 9, 2018 04:40:37 #
Doc110 wrote:
Jack, br br Hope you finally understand factual ... (show quote)
Doc, Satan has spiritually blinded you to biblical truths, following doctrines of demons rather than the infallible Holy spirit inspired word of God.
Search the source of your vitriolic hate towards biblical Christians trying to remove the scales from your eyes with love, you call evil.
You blasphemy God with a hardened heart having ears but cannot hear, eyes but cannot see.
The pharisees comes to mind in your written words.
Sep 9, 2018 06:46:16 #
Jack,
You're so religiously gullible and fundamentalist silly.
You not once have told me your christian background, you hide in religious ambiguity and disingenuousness,
Unless you stop this incessant attacks and insult me your incessance attacks my Catholic Faith.
Then I have no other choice than to block you from talking or contacting me.
This is you're blindly stupidity and your religious ignorance.
Are you even reading or listening to my words ? You're so dam stubborn and ignorant at the same time. . . . unbelievable, its so moronic and laughable.
As I said before and I repeat this again,
“To be deep in history, is to cease to be Protestant.”
"Deep In History: Breaking through the Myth’s of Christian History".
Read it again, watch and listen to the audio and video again.
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-139582-1.html
Jack you have not produced one fact to support anything that you say or write.
Jack what a bunch of continued hooey that you posted and continue to post.
You loose the argument every time and just spew forth hate speech, from your limited religious narrow mindedness.
I speak in facts, if you can't speak in facts, and you only produce personal opinions, thats then you lost your inability to argue with me.
And before you tell me to remove the speck from my eye, remove the plank from your own eye, also . . .
I haven't blasphemy you or any one,
Im sorry you're the only one who is religiously blinded and can't make any sense what your even trying to say.
Jesus founded his Church,
Why would Jesus, the Holy Spirt call his Church that he founded, be like the jewish pharisee.
That is such a stupid religious argument and opinion nonsense.
Again you don't know what you're talking about, you make no intelligent sense or even a plausible argument.
You can't be this religiously and historically naive and immature in you're religious thinking. Can you ?
You're only think in personal religious thoughts,
You produce no facts jack, just pure fundamentalist emotions, and nothing more . . .
Your church and you are the blind pharisees, sadducees. You're completely blinded.
Tell me how many years does you church have since its initial foundation, and how many denominations have you gone through since your conversion ?
My Catholic-Universal Church has 1,986 years, I am a cradle catholic, and have belonged to only one Church.
My Christian foundation and my Catholic knowledge is firm.
Can your church boast Jesus Christs Church, 1.986 years the apostles the early church fathers, through the Popes, Bishops, the ecumenical councils, Cannon law, the Traditions of the Church, the codifying of the Bible, Church theologians, Doctors of the Church, the Magisterium-Teaching arm of the Catholic Church, the Catechism.
Your church has a myopic narrow-mindedness and you're not seeing the totally of the Catholic Church and of 1,986 years of Catholic Church history
When you study the New Testament and when you study these Early Church documents.
You are forced either to accept what we could call “Christian Continuity or Christian Discontinuity.”
That you are faced with a choice, when you look at Early Church history.
When you study the New Testament and when you study these Early Church documents.
"Christian Discontinuity” is the belief that somehow right after the closing of the Apostolic age and the New Testament.
The Church declined into “sub-sub-Christian form.”
Not so Jack, we have the "The Didache," manuscript pronounced Didakhé, or "Teaching" Greek: literally: a teaching, from didaskein, to teach.
The Didache, was discovered in a monastery in Constantinople and published by P. Bryennios in 1883, the Didache or "Teaching of the Twelve Apostles."
How did the Catholic Christian Community in the first century practice their faith?
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-139479-1.html
Example: That when you read the “Didache” the Apostolic Church Fathers and letters of Saint Ignatius of Antioch. etc.
I think you’ll see that the kind of Christianity in those documents, is that not of the New Testament.
That’s quite a statement. What that means then, that in some way the Church did not continue the teaching of the Apostles. Can you seriously believe that ?
Christians have two choices:
a. Either Christians believe in the “Discontinuity Idea,” and that makes sense for Protestants go back to the “Bible Alone” (Sola Scriptura).
Christians have another choice
b. Or could believe in what Jesus Christ once said. “That I will build my Church and the “Gates of Hell” well not prevail against it.”
And the Gates of Hell will certainly try to destroy the Church, but God will not allow that to happen.
So, the logical historical facts and manuscripts and the Church, their must be “Continuity” throughout the History of the Church. In it’s Liturgy, in the way it Worships, in It’s Government and in It’s Doctrine.
One need to reflect on your Churches Doctrinal points that are so difficult for some people.
So should you become Catholic because of: Liturgical, Cultural, Intellectual and Doctrinal reasons.
Becoming Catholic, it should be, for all the above . . .
Jack make your choice, either you stop this religious anti-Catholic attacking insults nonsense of yours, Or I have to block you.
Good by jack.
Doc110
You're so religiously gullible and fundamentalist silly.
You not once have told me your christian background, you hide in religious ambiguity and disingenuousness,
Unless you stop this incessant attacks and insult me your incessance attacks my Catholic Faith.
Then I have no other choice than to block you from talking or contacting me.
This is you're blindly stupidity and your religious ignorance.
Are you even reading or listening to my words ? You're so dam stubborn and ignorant at the same time. . . . unbelievable, its so moronic and laughable.
As I said before and I repeat this again,
“To be deep in history, is to cease to be Protestant.”
"Deep In History: Breaking through the Myth’s of Christian History".
Read it again, watch and listen to the audio and video again.
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-139582-1.html
Jack you have not produced one fact to support anything that you say or write.
Jack what a bunch of continued hooey that you posted and continue to post.
You loose the argument every time and just spew forth hate speech, from your limited religious narrow mindedness.
I speak in facts, if you can't speak in facts, and you only produce personal opinions, thats then you lost your inability to argue with me.
And before you tell me to remove the speck from my eye, remove the plank from your own eye, also . . .
I haven't blasphemy you or any one,
Im sorry you're the only one who is religiously blinded and can't make any sense what your even trying to say.
Jesus founded his Church,
Why would Jesus, the Holy Spirt call his Church that he founded, be like the jewish pharisee.
That is such a stupid religious argument and opinion nonsense.
Again you don't know what you're talking about, you make no intelligent sense or even a plausible argument.
You can't be this religiously and historically naive and immature in you're religious thinking. Can you ?
You're only think in personal religious thoughts,
You produce no facts jack, just pure fundamentalist emotions, and nothing more . . .
Your church and you are the blind pharisees, sadducees. You're completely blinded.
Tell me how many years does you church have since its initial foundation, and how many denominations have you gone through since your conversion ?
My Catholic-Universal Church has 1,986 years, I am a cradle catholic, and have belonged to only one Church.
My Christian foundation and my Catholic knowledge is firm.
Can your church boast Jesus Christs Church, 1.986 years the apostles the early church fathers, through the Popes, Bishops, the ecumenical councils, Cannon law, the Traditions of the Church, the codifying of the Bible, Church theologians, Doctors of the Church, the Magisterium-Teaching arm of the Catholic Church, the Catechism.
Your church has a myopic narrow-mindedness and you're not seeing the totally of the Catholic Church and of 1,986 years of Catholic Church history
When you study the New Testament and when you study these Early Church documents.
You are forced either to accept what we could call “Christian Continuity or Christian Discontinuity.”
That you are faced with a choice, when you look at Early Church history.
When you study the New Testament and when you study these Early Church documents.
"Christian Discontinuity” is the belief that somehow right after the closing of the Apostolic age and the New Testament.
The Church declined into “sub-sub-Christian form.”
Not so Jack, we have the "The Didache," manuscript pronounced Didakhé, or "Teaching" Greek: literally: a teaching, from didaskein, to teach.
The Didache, was discovered in a monastery in Constantinople and published by P. Bryennios in 1883, the Didache or "Teaching of the Twelve Apostles."
How did the Catholic Christian Community in the first century practice their faith?
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Example: That when you read the “Didache” the Apostolic Church Fathers and letters of Saint Ignatius of Antioch. etc.
I think you’ll see that the kind of Christianity in those documents, is that not of the New Testament.
That’s quite a statement. What that means then, that in some way the Church did not continue the teaching of the Apostles. Can you seriously believe that ?
Christians have two choices:
a. Either Christians believe in the “Discontinuity Idea,” and that makes sense for Protestants go back to the “Bible Alone” (Sola Scriptura).
Christians have another choice
b. Or could believe in what Jesus Christ once said. “That I will build my Church and the “Gates of Hell” well not prevail against it.”
And the Gates of Hell will certainly try to destroy the Church, but God will not allow that to happen.
So, the logical historical facts and manuscripts and the Church, their must be “Continuity” throughout the History of the Church. In it’s Liturgy, in the way it Worships, in It’s Government and in It’s Doctrine.
One need to reflect on your Churches Doctrinal points that are so difficult for some people.
So should you become Catholic because of: Liturgical, Cultural, Intellectual and Doctrinal reasons.
Becoming Catholic, it should be, for all the above . . .
Jack make your choice, either you stop this religious anti-Catholic attacking insults nonsense of yours, Or I have to block you.
Good by jack.
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