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Jul 16, 2018 21:36:18   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
old marine wrote:
My mother nurse and about thirty other homeless vets just love living here on the tree farm.


From your description of your mornings and how loving your mother nurse is, it sounds perfect...

I bet the Camaraderie between all of you is very special!!

I had friends that travelled around different states planting trees from those that had been taken down.. The company taking the trees had to replace with two.. After two years, Susie, my friend, got pregnant and decided it was time to settle down.. They roughed it wild life camping the whole time..

I always admired them for it...

When I lived in Cali, my husband and I often went to the Sequuoia National park.. Perhaps you are familiar with General Sherman?? He is magnificent as are all the trees there. Pine cones a foot long to a foot and a half..

General Sherman is a giant sequoia (Sequoiadendron giganteum) tree located in the Giant Forest of Sequoia National Park

I left a siver heart in his base, tucked back inside, my Thank You for his monstrous size and beauty..

Sorry, got sidetracked...



Up close and personal...
Up close and personal......

Walk in this beauty and you leave knowing the love of our Lord..
Walk in this beauty and you leave knowing the love...

Rock Tunnel
Rock Tunnel...

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Jul 16, 2018 21:49:19   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
old marine wrote:
I see you are back home safe. What about an update on the fires.

Here at home my trees enjoying a hard down pour going on for five hours. We just had a flash flood alert for low laying areas. Dosent effect my area.


Although we had rain it was not enough, yet one is contained 60%.. Another at 35%.. The delivery of water for the fireman and even people helping was of course appreciated...Went quickly refilling the coolers ... I don’t know how they can stay in the smoke filled areas so long..One of the firemen I spoke with said they rotate in and out 45 minute intervals..

Would you send some our way??
I’m glad you are not affected by the flood zone alerts👍..

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Jul 16, 2018 23:14:44   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
lindajoy wrote:
Although we had rain it was not enough, yet one is contained 60%.. Another at 35%.. The delivery of water for the fireman and even people helping was of course appreciated...Went quickly refilling the coolers ... I don’t know how they can stay in the smoke filled areas so long..One of the firemen I spoke with said they rotate in and out 45 minute intervals..

Would you send some our way??
I’m glad you are not affected by the flood zone alerts👍..

I am glad everyone is safe but disappointed you didn't get more rain. I'll have to pray longer.

Yes, we are one big happy family, no jealousy everyone works together or they don't last very long. We are a smooth running team.

I can't believe mother nurse let me stay up this late. I guess because I told her I was worried about you guys fighting that Forrest fire.

She knows what we went through a couple of years ago with a small couple hundred acres of our tree's. We were lucky the neighbor's had several thousand acres damaged.

Good night, God's blessings on all you guys, be safe.

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Jul 17, 2018 08:46:01   #
Morgan
 
lindajoy wrote:
Lololol, I’m just laughing at both of us having specific references while saying something else..It must be “great minds think alike..” And if not thats our story and we’re sticking to it!!



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Jul 17, 2018 09:05:32   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
old marine wrote:
I am glad everyone is safe but disappointed you didn't get more rain. I'll have to pray longer.

Yes, we are one big happy family, no jealousy everyone works together or they don't last very long. We are a smooth running team.

I can't believe mother nurse let me stay up this late. I guess because I told her I was worried about you guys fighting that Forrest fire.

She knows what we went through a couple of years ago with a small couple hundred acres of our tree's. We were lucky the neighbor's had several thousand acres damaged.

Good night, God's blessings on all you guys, be safe.
I am glad everyone is safe but disappointed you di... (show quote)


Good Morning, and Thank You...

We have more rain today so hopefully it will help...

Just wanted to clarify one thing.. I am not fighting the fires, just delivering water where I can..Being out in rural areas they only have what they brought and it goes quickly.. I figured it is one way to help at least a little..

Keep those prayers coming please they are working!!


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Jul 17, 2018 09:06:23   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Morgan wrote:



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Jul 17, 2018 10:10:39   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
lindajoy wrote:
Good Morning, and Thank You...

We have more rain today so hopefully it will help...

Just wanted to clarify one thing.. I am not fighting the fires, just delivering water where I can..Being out in rural areas they only have what they brought and it goes quickly.. I figured it is one way to help at least a little..

Keep those prayers coming please they are working!!

Good Morning, and Thank You... br br We have more... (show quote)


Ha ha ha ha ha, I know you were not FIGHTING the fires😁but it's still dangerous a change of wind could cause a fire to change directions and cut off your way safety.

Maybe God sent our thunder storms to help your people with your fire. God bless and protect all the fire fighters.

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Jul 17, 2018 10:42:35   #
JoyV
 
lindajoy wrote:
Its not in gaining custody though, its in making her carry to term for he to then take custody..He can not force her to carry at all..

Men have no say in her decision to carry or terminate..I think it unfair when the father says he would take care of the child..

The Supreme Court has found laws requiring a spouse's consent for an a******n to be unconstitutional. In Planned Parenthood v. Danforth, the Court reasoned that a husband's refusal to consent would in effect veto a woman's choice to terminate a pregnancy. While both prospective fathers and pregnant women have an interest in the decision, when the two disagree, only one partner's position can prevail. According to the Court, since the woman actually carries the pregnancy, "the balance weighs in her favor," preventing the husband from vetoing her choice....

Heck, the woman doesn’t even need to tell the father she is aborting...If the father's consent isn't required for a******n, does he have a legal right to be notified when one occurs? The Supreme Court addressed this question in Planned Parenthood v. Casey and found that the father does not have a legal right to be notified of an a******n....
Its not in gaining custody though, its in making h... (show quote)


lindajoy wrote:
He can not force her to carry at all..
No one forced her to get pregnant (unless she was raped). It was her choice. Each of our choices have effects. One effect of having unprotected sex is the risk of pregnancy. Another is STDs. No one would consider that someone who had an STD through unprotected sex was not responsible for their actions. Imagine someone claiming they had no responsibility for getting an STD. It just happened and they have no intention of changing their behavior. But they want the taxpayers to pay for the consequences. And what about when the pregnancy comes to term? Is it considered forcing a woman to provide care for her baby and not leave him to die? How UNFAIR to force her to be a mother when she doesn't want to be! If she doesn't want to care for the child who is still dependent on the mother outside the womb as he was inside, the law requires she be held responsible for the child's care up until the child can legally care for himself or until she purposely and legally turn over care and custody to another.

So the father need not be notified their minor child is making a life altering (and life ending) decision. Is the mother or guardian consulted? Children are not considered competent to make other major life altering decisions, or even less important decisions like driving until they are of an age deemed responsible by law.

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Jul 17, 2018 10:50:49   #
JoyV
 
Kevyn wrote:
Why on earth would he? He isn’t the person forced to endure a pregnancy or delivery along with all the effects it has on her body. It is her choice and hers alone.


Yes it was her choice (but not hers alone) to get pregnant. Who forced her to get pregnant? And if they did, there are laws and penalties for rape. Every time someone claims they want an a******n because they don't want to be pregnant; someone should be charged with rape. Unless she claims rape, she already chose to become a mother and already brought a life into the world. I say into the world because a uterus inside a woman's body IS part of the world. It is not an imaginary place in her mind, but a real physical part of the world. You bring a life into the world and you are responsible for that life!

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Jul 17, 2018 11:01:26   #
JoyV
 
woodguru wrote:
Yet the unwanted child has a high likelihood of becoming a burden to society that will cost tens (hundreds) of thousands of dollars in welfare.

The morning after pill being readily available (for $10) to any woman who screws up and has unprotected or unwanted sex is actually the best of the best in terms of solutions for even those who feel strongly about pro life. That would cost a tiny fraction of what a******ns do.


Of course. And other forms of birth control even more available than the morning after pill. Preventing pregnancies is what I and many others who understand a******ns to be k*****g a child have been arguing. Preventing pregnancies is far easier and cheaper than aborting a life, and do not involve k*****g. Birth control is readily available but could be made even more available to every American post puberty.

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Jul 17, 2018 11:27:15   #
JoyV
 
Morgan wrote:
I see, I see you have the conservative wedding cake mentality. If an establishment is privately run the answer is no, the only time taxpayer money could possibly intervene is through Medicaid if the life of the mother is in danger, and that is only if the place accepts Medicaid, many don't.

Reading your posts on this your views seem to waver back and forth.


My views do not waver. In some posts I point out the current laws, their contradictions to the US Constitution. In others I simply resent my views. But to make it clear: here are my views.

1) A woman should (and does) have the right to choose whether she will become a mother. This choice is made twice. Once when she chooses to open the door to pregnancy, and again when she chooses to keep or give up the custody of the child.

2) Both the man and woman are responsible for the child THEY both chose to begin by their actions.

3) If infanticide (whether before or after a breath is drawn) is to be allowed, taxpayers should not all be responsible for paying for it.

Now to another view I have not so far expressed. The argument is often made that if Roe v Wade was not in place, women would use back street methods to k**l their child with a high risk of harm or death to the mother and therefor we should allow legal safe(er) methods of k*****g. So if that is a valid argument, why not extend it to those giving birth and k*****g the newborn? To prevent mothers who don't want a baby from wrapping the newborn in garbage bags and throwing them in the trash; should we provide clean, safe (for the mother) disposal points to discard unwanted babies? And what about other unwanted relatives who are dependent on relatives?

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Jul 17, 2018 11:41:43   #
JoyV
 
Morgan wrote:
It is life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, who are you that you quoted our Constitution as Life, Liberty and property? It was written as property under John Lock and his ideology of America's Trinity.
The eighteenth-century British political philosopher John Locke wrote that governments are instituted to secure people's rights to ‘life, liberty, and property and in 1776, but Thomas Jefferson begged to differ. When he penned the Declaration of Independence, ratified on the Fourth of July, he edited out Locke's right to ‘property’ and substituted his own more broad-minded, [h]distinctly American concept,[/u] the right to ‘the pursuit of happiness.’ " Jefferson the best president ever.JMO

Now the pursuit of "Happiness", is all inclusive to the freedom of choice over my body.

The Law is for the protection of "Life" is for the individual, there in the flesh living and breathing. independently.

Liberty defined as the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views.

So YES Joyv it as ALL to do with our unalienable rights, for damn sure, and NOT an overreaching government.
It is life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, w... (show quote)


Our constitution reads, "...life, liberty, and property...". It is the Declaration of Independence that reads, "...life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness..." The Supreme Court decisions are based on our constitution; not on the Declaration of Independence. And Roe V Wade is based on the Due Process clause in the US Constitution which reads, "... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law ..."

In the 5th Amendment, "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the M*****a, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

In the 14th Amendment, "Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

These are the Amendments the decision was declared as being based upon. The Supreme Court does NOT declare something is or isn't unDeclarational. Their job is to say whether or not it is unConstitutional.

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Jul 17, 2018 11:50:50   #
JoyV
 
lindajoy wrote:
I believe you mean the Declaration of
Independence~~~

Jefferson didn’t beg to differ with Locke...He took study of the phrase “property and pursuit of happiness” and drew from it this conclusion.~
Offered as yet another view that I believe in...

“Familiar as all this sounds, Brook is wrong on three points. John Locke lived from 1634 to 1704, making him a man of the seventeenth century, not the eighteenth. Jefferson did not substitute his “own” phrase. Nor is that concept “distinctly American.” It is an import, and Jefferson borrowed it.

The phrase has meant different things to different people. To Europeans it has suggested the core claim—or delusion—of American exceptionalism. To cross-racial or gay couples bringing lawsuits in court, it has meant, or included, the right to marry. And sadly, for many Americans, Jefferson might just as well have left “property” in place. To them the pursuit of happiness means no more than the pursuit of wealth and status as embodied in a McMansion, a Lexus, and membership in a country club. Even more sadly, Jefferson’s own “property” included about two hundred human beings whom he did not permit to pursue their own happiness.

The Greek word for “happiness” is eudaimonia. In the passage above, Locke is invoking Greek and Roman ethics in which eudaimonia is linked to aretê, the Greek word for “virtue” or “excellence.” In the Nicomachean Ethics, Aristotle wrote, “the happy man lives well and does well; for we have practically defined happiness as a sort of good life and good action.” Happiness is not, he argued, equivalent to wealth, honor, or pleasure. It is an end in itself, not the means to an end. The philosophical lineage of happiness can be traced from Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle through the Stoics, Skeptics, and Epicureans.

Jefferson admired Epicurus and owned eight copies of De rerum Natura (On the Nature of Things) by Lucretius, a Roman disciple of Epicurus. In a letter Jefferson wrote to William Short on October 13, 1819, he declared, “I too am an Epicurean. I consider the genuine doctrines of Epicurus as containing everything rational in moral philosophy which Greece and Rome have left us.” At the end of the letter, Jefferson made a summary of the key points of Epicurean doctrine, including:

Moral.—Happiness the aim of life.
Virtue the foundation of happiness.
Utility the test of virtue.

Properly understood, therefore, when John Locke, Samuel Johnson, and Thomas Jefferson wrote of “the pursuit of happiness,” they were invoking the Greek and Roman philosophical tradition in which happiness is bound up with the civic virtues of courage, moderation, and justice. Because they are civic virtues, not just personal attributes, they implicate the social aspect of eudaimonia.

The pursuit of happiness, therefore, is not merely a matter of achieving individual pleasure. That is why Alexander Hamilton and other founders referred to “social happiness.” During this political season, as Americans are scrutinizing e******ns of 2018 and p**********l candidates, we would do well to ponder that......

No matter what position you believe in nothing can take away the brilliance of our founding fathers... We would wish for such in this day and age...,
I believe you mean the Declaration of br Independ... (show quote)


I agree with most of what you wrote here, but must point out a flaw. Jefferson did NOT choose to keep people in s***ery. Virginia s***e laws were very strict where manumission was concerned. When Jefferson first inherited the estate with the s***es, he tried to free them. He discovered that because he owed debt, the law would allow any s***e freed to be confiscated after manumission and sold to pay for his debt. Soon after the law was changed to disallow ANY manumission for any reason in the state of Virginia. So his choice boiled down to keep his s***es or let them be sold to unknown parties. Which decision was more humane?

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Jul 17, 2018 11:57:13   #
JoyV
 
Morgan wrote:
With the word usage of you, I am not sure if you're directly referring to me or not, but I do not take away any credit away from the framers, but with that said, with the fluid movements to society, additions/amendments are inevitable and inescapable.


"The Declaration of independence...Um... No, Linda not at all, more to the point of it being incorrect.
This was written by; on and about the Constitution.

QUOTE:
“The pursuit of happiness” is the most famous phrase in the Declaration of Independence."

Please read your own post. The phrase is stated in the quote you posted as being the most famous phrase in THE DECLARATION of INDEPENDENCE!!!! Not in the Constitution. And by the way, Jefferson was NOT involved in writing our constitution in any case. He was not even in the country at the time.

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Jul 17, 2018 12:03:41   #
JoyV
 
Morgan wrote:
Why don't you tell me what your problem is? You don't want women to get out of low wages, or lower wages for the same job. Want to keep men on top do...and in control along with the so-called Smaller Government the right rants about.
My morality is just fine, yours on the other hand...questionable.


So a woman living in poverty choosing to have a baby and then k*****g it will somehow bring them out of poverty?

As for equal pay, it is the law! The Equal Pay Act of 1963. If an employer is breaking the law, wouldn't the solution be to to enforce that law. Not to k**l babies!

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