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Jul 17, 2018 12:04:38   #
Carol Kelly
 
fredlott63 wrote:
If I, as a private citizen, want to shoot you in the head, should the government interfere? A******n is murder.


Good point!

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Jul 17, 2018 12:05:16   #
JoyV
 
lindajoy wrote:
You quote from the language in the Bill of Rights while arguing it is the Constitution you are referring to. I am confused..~~Exactly what part of the Constitution are you referring to that Jefferson changed the word property to the pursuit of happiness????

“We hold these t***hs to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness; .”

So then if it is the Constitution you are addressing is it under this Amendment you are correcting Joy, who is using “property”???

AMENDMENT V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the M*****a, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.~~

Or perhaps this Amendment ??

AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1
All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The comment about our founding fathers was simply observation of their brilliance and how we would be lucky to have them now as well.
You quote from the language in the Bill of Rights ... (show quote)


I've got news for you. The Bill of Rights ARE part of the US Constitution!

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Jul 17, 2018 19:39:54   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
JoyV wrote:
I've got news for you. The Bill of Rights ARE part of the US Constitution!


I know they are, but in the context of the discussion I was referring to the Declaration of Independence, or didn’t you read the posts???
Who said they were not??

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Jul 18, 2018 09:24:12   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
JoyV wrote:
No one forced her to get pregnant (unless she was raped). It was her choice. Each of our choices have effects. One effect of having unprotected sex is the risk of pregnancy. Another is STDs. No one would consider that someone who had an STD through unprotected sex was not responsible for their actions. Imagine someone claiming they had no responsibility for getting an STD. It just happened and they have no intention of changing their behavior. But they want the taxpayers to pay for the consequences. And what about when the pregnancy comes to term? Is it considered forcing a woman to provide care for her baby and not leave him to die? How UNFAIR to force her to be a mother when she doesn't want to be! If she doesn't want to care for the child who is still dependent on the mother outside the womb as he was inside, the law requires she be held responsible for the child's care up until the child can legally care for himself or until she purposely and legally turn over care and custody to another.

So the father need not be notified their minor child is making a life altering (and life ending) decision. Is the mother or guardian consulted? Children are not considered competent to make other major life altering decisions, or even less important decisions like driving until they are of an age deemed responsible by law.
No one forced her to get pregnant (unless she was ... (show quote)


I agree with what your saying but you are speaking of the moral issues and then the legal issue of the mother caring for the child once delivered... It is that moral, legal issue of care after delivery the mother seeks to eliminate in having the a******n..

I cited the Supreme Court cases that govern in the situstions we are discussing because when challenged these rulings rule..

I’m a little confused with your last paragraph.. What are you saying??? Is the mother or guardian consulted about what??

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Jul 18, 2018 09:28:49   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
old marine wrote:
Ha ha ha ha ha, I know you were not FIGHTING the fires😁but it's still dangerous a change of wind could cause a fire to change directions and cut off your way safety.

Maybe God sent our thunder storms to help your people with your fire. God bless and protect all the fire fighters.


All true and Thank You once again..

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Jul 18, 2018 09:41:33   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
JoyV wrote:
Of course. And other forms of birth control even more available than the morning after pill. Preventing pregnancies is what I and many others who understand a******ns to be k*****g a child have been arguing. Preventing pregnancies is far easier and cheaper than aborting a life, and do not involve k*****g. Birth control is readily available but could be made even more available to every American post puberty.


Yet we do try to educate and provide those birth control mechanisms and still have how many a******ns done in a year? Irresponsibility isn’t something we can educate others about, other than to offer up those birth control options and hope it sinks in...

Joy, I’ve been involved with a few women who intentionally have more kids because they get more from the state , cash, food, housing, health and baby wellness benefits, reduced daycare etc...
It’s truly a shame they are so conditioned so early with no desire to change it..<The flip side of a******n>

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Jul 18, 2018 10:13:23   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
JoyV wrote:
My views do not waver. In some posts I point out the current laws, their contradictions to the US Constitution. In others I simply resent my views. But to make it clear: here are my views.

1) A woman should (and does) have the right to choose whether she will become a mother. This choice is made twice. Once when she chooses to open the door to pregnancy, and again when she chooses to keep or give up the custody of the child.

2) Both the man and woman are responsible for the child THEY both chose to begin by their actions.

3) If infanticide (whether before or after a breath is drawn) is to be allowed, taxpayers should not all be responsible for paying for it.

Now to another view I have not so far expressed. The argument is often made that if Roe v Wade was not in place, women would use back street methods to k**l their child with a high risk of harm or death to the mother and therefor we should allow legal safe(er) methods of k*****g. So if that is a valid argument, why not extend it to those giving birth and k*****g the newborn? To prevent mothers who don't want a baby from wrapping the newborn in garbage bags and throwing them in the trash; should we provide clean, safe (for the mother) disposal points to discard unwanted babies? And what about other unwanted relatives who are dependent on relatives?
My views do not waver. In some posts I point out ... (show quote)


“In effect they do offer up safe havens to drop off a newborn~~Yet how many people know of it?? Especially teenaers ??

To prevent mothers from abandoning their babies, states have enacted safe haven laws that allow mothers to leave their unwanted babies in designated locations such as hospitals or churches without fear of being charged with a crime.

Safe haven laws, also known as "Baby Moses laws", serve a dual purpose:

to protect unwanted babies from potential harm and safety hazards, and,
to provide parents an alternative to child abandonment charges.
Currently, all 50 states have safe haven laws on the books, varying between the age limit, persons who may surrender a child, and circumstances required to relinquish an infant child. In most cases, parents can leave newborns in safe locations without having to disclose their identity or without being asked questions.

Designated Safe Haven Locations

Most states outline locations considered 'safe havens.' Generally, locations designated as safe havens are places that provide infant safety and where staff can provide immediate infant care. Depending on the state, designated safe haven locations may include health care clinics, police stations, fire stations, emergency medical technicians (EMT), churches, and other "safe" places a state deems acceptable.

In addition, most states emphasis that parents must relinquish unwanted infants in safe locations, so leaving an infant at the steps of a church when there is reason to believe that no one is there does not qualify.

Furthermore, depending on the state, safe haven providers must take the infant into custody, provide any necessary medical care, etc .”

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Jul 19, 2018 05:31:49   #
JoyV
 
lindajoy wrote:
I know they are, but in the context of the discussion I was referring to the Declaration of Independence, or didn’t you read the posts???
Who said they were not??


I meant to respond to Morgan. Sorry for posting under your post.

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Jul 19, 2018 08:08:03   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
lindajoy wrote:
All true and Thank You once again..


My pleasure.

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Jul 19, 2018 09:00:03   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
JoyV wrote:
I meant to respond to Morgan. Sorry for posting under your post.


No problem, I’ve done the same... We are human..I think~~

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Jul 19, 2018 09:17:46   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
old marine wrote:
My pleasure.


Durango fire I showed you the other day is out!! Now flooding from the rains ... Gosh dang weather here... it, heyyyyyy, would rather it be flooding than fire...

The 416 continues to rage on, now in its 6 weeks with thousand of precious trees gone.. 22,000 acreas...Makes me crazy!!! Oh hushhhhhh, I heard your agreement!!!!!

You can bet I did sign up to replant when they get to that point!! Told you I must have been a druid in another life..

Your prayers working!!! Thank You ever so much..

https://kdvr.com/2018/07/17/flooding-mudslides-force-evacuations-close-highway-near-durango/amp/

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Jul 19, 2018 16:45:36   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
lindajoy wrote:
Durango fire I showed you the other day is out!! Now flooding from the rains ... Gosh dang weather here... it, heyyyyyy, would rather it be flooding than fire...

The 416 continues to rage on, now in its 6 weeks with thousand of precious trees gone.. 22,000 acreas...Makes me crazy!!! Oh hushhhhhh, I heard your agreement!!!!!

You can bet I did sign up to replant when they get to that point!! Told you I must have been a druid in another life..

Your prayers working!!! Thank You ever so much..

https://kdvr.com/2018/07/17/flooding-mudslides-force-evacuations-close-highway-near-durango/amp/
Durango fire I showed you the other day is out!! N... (show quote)

It was my pleasure lindajoy. Atheist don't seem to know the power of prayer. But we Christians do know and believe.

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Jul 19, 2018 17:14:39   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
old marine wrote:
It was my pleasure lindajoy. Atheist don't seem to know the power of prayer. But we Christians do know and believe.



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Jul 19, 2018 19:06:36   #
JoyV
 
Conservatives prayed to God? I think you are confusing religion and politics.

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Jul 19, 2018 19:12:55   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
JoyV wrote:
Conservatives prayed to God? I think you are confusing religion and politics.


Not since the 70s.

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