jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Hey frost they falsified the amount claiming he was required to pay over a million dollars. This is the first lie/thing that set things in motion. The original fines were only $9,000.

What do you believe was the next step?

Wm. E. Smith

Everyone knows, including the libs, that the conservatives, hence the name, dont spend money as wastefully and as frequently as the libs do, they have admitted to that fact.
They tax us to death, give us little hope for the future, and want complete control over the American people, the libs have also admitted to that fact.
Prosperity and hope for tomorrow has always been a product of the party of the republic.
But the left, give us gloom and doom lives.
Hussein enabled iran to be where they are now, to use nukes soon.
Hilly enabled the ruskies by making a deal to give away uranium to our enemies, who are now threatening the U.S. and at least three allies close to russia, so she could line her pockets with blood money, and thats what it will be if and when the ruskies start a move on allies of ours.
The corruption is huge, and its coming from the LEFT side again.
I cant remember when the libs did something good for the American people, that was in our best interest.
And anyone who knowingly supports that kind of action against our great, free natipn, is an enemy

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

The million was the total from the fees, fines and interest along with the cost of impounding the cattle and repairing the property lines and water holes..

It adds up..

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

No that's false.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

You have such odd ideas...

If it were left up to conservatives, we would have stayed with king George.

As it was the conservatives, who as always wanted no change, ran of to what is now Canada or hid in the cabins or sailed back to England..

Tax is always a problem. If we do it the republican way, never pay for anything, put in on the credit card and let the grand kids pay it off.

This results in the sort of recessions that President Obama was forced to deal with and who did such a great job.. Our recovery was far ahead of the rest of the world..

Other then the pay it later ideal, the GOP only consistent policy has been to give all the money to the very rich.. Did that make you happy?

If President Obama had not managed the Iran nuclear agreement, Iran would have the bomb now.. as it is, we have up to 25 years for some aspects of a new deal to be made..

The Lady Hillary and Uranium one..... Oh, you must be kidding... This has been gone over and over so many times everyone but you are s**k of it..

Nothing at all... No Uranium went to Russia, Hillary had nothing material to do with it.. simply international agreement about processing fuel for the US.. all the gibberish which you are spouting is totally false..

If it were not for liberals and the Democrat party, our country would be a 3rd world dictatorship.. We must stop that from becoming a product of the orange mans administration..

Now that his economic chief advisory has resigned, do you have any comments on that? Or shall we wait for tomorrow and the stock market reaction??

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

No information?? Can not find anything to back your wish???

ANytime anywhere.. just put up a claim, I will read, I will see,,

dongreen76

During their dicussions while trying to establish constitutional laws,of course every one them had their individual opinion about each right,each amendment,but what matters is the final collective binding agreement as to what the rules are that govern us,this is what counts,this is what we live by today for the most part,also factoring a few modifications

Loki Loc: Georgia

Since when are the AK47 lookalikes "machine guns?" They are semi-autos that look like military weapons.

Loki Loc: Georgia

You mean like the Heller decision? You know, the SCOTUS ruling that the Second Amendment acknowledges a right to keep and bear arms completely apart from membership in a m*****a?
You mean like the 18th century definition of "well-regulated" that means simply something that functions properly and has little or nothing to do with governmental oversight?
(See Oxford Dictionary, first printing, 1884).

dongreen76

Yeah,thats what "YOU PEOPLE"do for arguments sake,you will say any
thing,take things out of context,dabble in semantics;now you are saying punctuations
carried different connotations during that period - true,the English language has changed considerably since its conception.There is old english,if you saw it today you would not reconize it as the same language you speak today,but, not so much in the last 242 years;of course the conservative supreme courts will render conservative opinions.I will also remind of the word "REGULATED" which in its most literal since means control,now you know if they thought their m*****a should be controlled ,you know damned well,if in fact they were going to allow private gun ownership,they wanted to regulate the individuals also,for the same reasons they would have the military regulated,seeing as how a private entity could amass and perform a c**p also.Now how would they regulate single individuals guns,they could only regulate the size and quantity of his gun/guns.

CDM Loc: Florida

Hey Jack; Interesting thread. For my part the gun related question you ask here is answered when one understands and fully embraces the t***h of Leftism or, the Democrat movement in this country. The fact is that L*****ts despise our constitution which is antithetical to their ideology of complete obliteration of the individual in society accompanied by the establishment of central government control of all human activity. They have made these objectives crystal clear through word and action and in recent modern times have made no effort to camouf**ge it.

Two elements have been the bane of the L*****t movement here rendering achievement of their goals impossible, kind of like throwing holy water on a witch; the 1st and 2nd amendments. Democrats have fought tooth and nail for 60+ years to disembowel these amendments. Why? Because abolishment of the 2nd amendment for example paves the way to the primary goal of total disarming of the population. In simplest terms, if there is no constitutional right to keep and bear arms then the laws can be written that let us take your guns or criminalize you. And gun bans regardless how ineffective then, are simple wedges driven into a small crack that can be expanded until the rock breaks so to speak. Complete abolishment of the 2nd amendment is the primary goal make no mistake.

So you see, in my mind it's not a question 'why do conservatives believe liberals want to ban all guns?'. It's rather a statement of fact 'conservatives and other rational human beings KNOW that liberals what to ban all guns' ...

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

As always, you don't have a clue WTF you are talking about. During Obama's tenure in office, military morale fell 30+ points to hit the lowest level in US history. This drop in morale occurred also in many federal agencies and departments. In September, 2016, two government surveys found DHS was rated the worst place to work in the federal government when it comes to employee engagement job satisfaction. And, across the entire government, less than 2/3rds of government workers are engaged.

However, a funny thing happened when Trump entered the WH. Trump lit a fire and morale, not only in the military, but also in such departments as BP, ICE, DHS, and others did a 180 and, in some cases, skyrocketed.

If it ever comes down to American citizens having to defeat tyranny by force, if I were you, BB, I wouldn't get caught in the open, I'd find a very deep hole and crawl in it. And cover it up once you are settled in.

Now, about those "wacko f*****t morons". Wanna see a real live one? Go look in a mirror.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Yep, git some.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Then you need to erase history of our founding fathers to maintain your ideology.

A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..."
- George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful s***ery."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823

"I enclose you a list of the k**led, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

"To disarm the people...[i]s the most effectual way to ens***e them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"I ask who are the m*****a? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
- George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the m*****a officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated m*****a, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
- James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

"...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of s***es."
- William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

“A m*****a when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

"This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."
- St. George Tucker, B****stone's Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1803

"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like law, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance ofpower is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one-half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong. The history of every age and nation establishes these t***hs, and facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves."
- Thomas Paine, "Thoughts on Defensive War" in Pennsylvania Magazine, July 1775

dongreen76

[quote=jack sequim wa]Then you need to erase history of our founding fathers to maintain your ideology.

A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..."
- George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful s***ery."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823

"I enclose you a list of the k**led, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

"To disarm the people...[i]s the most effectual way to ens***e them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"I ask who are the m*****a? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
- George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the m*****a officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated m*****a, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
- James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

"...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of s***es."
- William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

“A m*****a when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

"This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."
- St. George Tucker, B****stone's Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1803

"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like law, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance ofpower is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one-half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong. The history of every age and nation establishes these t***hs, and facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves."
- Thomas Paine, "Thoughts on Defensive War" in Pennsylvania Magazine, July 1775[/quote]