Nuclearian Loc: I live in a Fascist, Liberal State

The fools are l*****ts who try and take our guns.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

jack,

You pull this off right wing s*** wrappers and think they are telling the t***h???

They were orginated with a mission.. To further right wing h**e and lies and to fight the federal government.

they never pretended to be any sort of t***h based publications..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff

The 2014 Bundy standoff was an armed confrontation between supporters of cattle rancher Cliven Bundy and law enforcement following a 21-year legal dispute in which the United States Bureau of Land Management (B*M) obtained court orders directing Bundy to pay over $1 million in withheld grazing fees for Bundy's use of federally-owned land adjacent to Bundy's ranch in southeastern Nevada.

The ongoing dispute started in 1993, when, in protest against changes in grazing rules, Bundy declined to renew his permit for cattle grazing on B*M-administered public lands near Bunkerville, Nevada.[2] According to Bundy, the federal government lacks the constitutional authority to own vast tracts of lands, an argument repeatedly rejected by federal courts. According to the B*M, Bundy continued to graze his cattle on public lands without a permit. In 1998, Bundy was prohibited by the United States District Court for the District of Nevada from grazing his cattle on an area of land later called the Bunkerville Allotment. In July 2013, federal judge Lloyd D. George ordered Bundy to refrain from trespassing on federally administered land in the Gold Butte area of Clark County.

On March 27, 2014, 145,604 acres of federal land in Clark County were temporarily closed for the "capture, impound, and removal of trespass cattle." B*M officials and law enforcement rangers began a roundup of such livestock on April 5, and an arrest was made the next day.[who?] On April 12, 2014, a group of protesters, some of them armed, approached the B*M "cattle gather". Sheriff Doug Gillespie negotiated with Bundy and newly-confirmed B*M director Neil Kornze, who elected to release the cattle and de-escalate the situation. As of the end of 2015, Cliven Bundy continued to graze his cattle on federal land and still had not paid the grazing fees.

On February 10, 2016, Cliven Bundy traveled to Portland, Oregon, in response to federal law enforcement moving to end a standoff led by his sons Ammon and Ryan at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. He was arrested at the airport by the FBI and was incarcerated at the Multnomah County Jail. He was indicted for 16 federal felonies on February 17, along with Ammon and Ryan Bundy, m*****a leader Ryan Payne, and broadcaster Peter Santilli, who were already under arrest for their role in the Malheur standoff. Another 14 individuals were charged on March 3, 2016. Santilli subsequently pled guilty to felony conspiracy to injure or impede a federal officer.[3]

On January 8, 2018, U.S. District Judge Gloria Navarro in Las Vegas dismissed with prejudice the criminal charges against Cliven Bundy, his sons Ammon and Ryan, and co-defendant Ryan Payne regarding the standoff.[4][5]

Cliven and Ammon Bundy, and their supporters, have claimed that the federal government lacks the authority to manage public lands. These arguments have been repeatedly rejected by legal scholars and federal courts, including the U.S. Supreme Court; the property clause of the United States Constitution grants plenary authority to Congress to manage federal property, including land.[6][7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVoy_Finicum

Robert LaVoy Finicum (January 27, 1961 – January 26, 2016) was an American spokesman for the Citizens for Constitutional Freedom, who seized and occupied the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in the State of Oregon, United States, on January 2, 2016.

On January 26, 2016, law enforcement officers attempted to arrest Finicum and other occupation leaders while they were traveling on a remote highway away from the occupation site. After fleeing the officers, Finicum was stopped by a roadblock, where he challenged officers to shoot him. He was shot and k**led by state troopers while moving his hands toward his pocket, where officers later found a loaded weapon.

Prior to the occupation, Finicum lived in Arizona where he made a living as a foster parent and operated a no-income cattle ranch.[3]

According to the High Country News, "the public record on Finicum is thin prior to 2014."[7]

In 2002, Finicum filed for bankruptcy while living in New Mexico and doing business as "Southwest Horse and Trails".[8][9] By 2008, Finicum operated a foster home for troubled boys near Chino Valley, Arizona.[10] According to a 2010 tax filing, Catholic Charities Community Services in Arizona paid the family US$115,343 to foster children in 2009. In January 2016, the state removed all of Finicum's foster children due to his involvement with the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge (discussed below). Finicum said this took away his family's main source of income.[3]

During that time, Finicum also operated a ranch that did not produce income. After the state removed his foster children, Finicum told the media, "My ranch, well, the cows just cover the costs of the ranch."[3]

Flight and death

Finicum (center) reaching towards his side or pocket immediately before being shot to death by Oregon State Patrol.
About seven minutes after stopping his truck, Finicum drove away with his three remaining passengers at high speed.[18][30][30][31] They were pursued by officers. About 1 mile (1,609 m) later, Finicum rounded a bend and spotted the roadblock. As OSP fired at Finicum's approaching vehicle, Finicum braked and steered his truck left into deep snow, narrowly missing an FBI agent.[32][33]

When Finicum's truck became stuck in the snow, he immediately exited the vehicle, just as two shots were fired by an FBI agent. One shot struck the roof of Finicum's truck and the other went wild.[26][33][34][35] These shots became the subject of controversy because the FBI agents initially failed to disclose them.[33]

Meanwhile, Finicum moved about in the snow, alternating between holding his hands above his head and seemingly reaching into his jacket, where officers later found a loaded semi-automatic weapon.[36] OSP officers and FBI agents armed with rifles positioned themselves along the road, while an OSP officer, who had holstered his firearm and equipped himself with a nonlethal Taser X2, walked toward him from the treeline with the intention of subduing him. As Finicum moved his hands down, he turned towards the approaching taser-holding officer and repeatedly yelled, "You're going to have to shoot me!" The troopers believed Finicum to be armed and considered his hand position to signal an imminent threat to the life of the taser-holding officer; Finicum was holding his jacket with his left hand and reaching for a pocket with his right hand. Two troopers fired a total of three times, and a third who was about to fire held back, realizing a fourth shot was not needed.[21][22][37] Medical assistance was given to Finicum approximately 10 minutes after the shooting.[38]

Ryan Bundy received a minor shrapnel wound during the incident.[35]

Wm. E. Smith

Exactly ! And remember everyone, the socialist, c*******t liberal left demoncrats want that because thats how you ens***e and control people.
How many times i have heard the libs accidentally say they want to control the people?
Too many, on the floor of congress in DC and my state of mexifornia.
They dont really want to tell us that their objective is to rule over us, not to allow us to govern ourselves as our Republic was established.
The libs are against our freedoms.
Billy tried to destroy our country from within with his lack of support for the Constitution of the U.S.
Hussein did the same thing, but on a larger scale.
The left is not pro U.S.
They do not want us to succeed, but to fail.
They h**e President Trump because he is showing us and the world that we are a world leader and worthy to be respected.
Now the left is trying to devide this country to the point of total chaos and destruction.

peter11937 Loc: NYS

Exactly.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

So far, the only thing that has been shown since the orange man took office is that the right wingers who v**ed him in are fine with having the very rich make the decisions for everyone..

Keep it up, so far you have managed to get a few dollars now, while you will pay many more of those dollars later.. that was called tax reform, but it was only an unneeded gift to the rich..

Also, you gave away consumer protection, wall street regulation, environmental safe guards.. now they want SS and Medicare reform..

Will you be happy when that is gone also???

Wm. E. Smith

What are you talking about ????
Bama care was imploding because it was not thought out completely.
And i am sure you DONT remember your moronic heroin peeyoolosi demanding that we sign it into law before we read it.
How stupid do you have to be before you realize
That YOU and the whole liberal thinking world were sold a bill of goods ?
Probably never.
You left libs are clinically ill !
You turn the t***h around and make it a lie, then cram it down the throats of un suspecting people who want to believe their elected officials that its good for them.
You know what ? You're ride is almost up.
The SSI was and is failing because of the corrupt criminals you v**e for under the f**g of the dnc.
Every single office they hold, they bring dis respect and corruption to.
You must like that though because that is who you v**e for.
Dont insult me with your liberal, anti American crap and expect me to believe it when i know the t***h.
Some of us in this country do pay attention to the criminal activity going on in the corrupt system you have been trying to establish.
Go talk to yourself about whats wrong in this country, then look in the mirror and you'll have your culprit !

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Your completely lost pal, it is a fact that both an fbi and a b*m agent admitted to lying and the entire event was caused by agencies false narratives of false fines, turtles and a host of anti- conservative BS by liberals within our government agencies.

Wake up

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

You're going to have to be specific on your wild ass charge Oldboy.

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

Where do you get your "t***h", the village i***t?

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Are you aware that the lying liberals went into a closed session, literally locked the doors and v**ed on obamacare, refusing the conservatives even a chance to v**e.

Liberals are deceptive, lying, evil and demonically lead. And their sheeple are spiritually blinded. Far more sinister forces driving l*****t liberals is the only explanation for their actions, behavior, agenda, and ideology.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

My my, you are one of the orange mans lambs aren`t you...

the ACA.... trump h**es it because President Obama name is attached to it by the press..

The orange pig could not remove it. Let alone replace it.

So he is trying to sabotage it out of existence. He may succeed.. If the ACA is destroyed, what will you do??? Any prospect come to mind for insurance?

"we must pass it to see what is in it" or something like that..

Do you understand how bill are passed?? Congress does a bill and puts it on display. the Senate debates and passes a bill of their own.. it is usually different in detail than what congress has passed.

When it is passed and made public, all can read it and see what is in it.. This is what happens with the majority of bills. this is what Polosi was commenting on..

A near exact comment was made by a GOP spokesperson during the ACA attempts.. Nothing at all new about the process..

SSI??? Secret Service? of Social Security?? Soc. Sec is not running out of money. Only out of trust that our government will pay back what they have signed and agreed to do..

The only time SS is an issue is when the GOP says the government can not afford to pay back the money they owe to us, the taxpayers.

They took the money, do so every year and then they cry about the cost of paying it back. Not a word about the ton of money they put on the credit card and stole from Us who use the SS we paid for over decades..

Criminal activity does seem to be the norm now and for generations.. But is one side worse than the other?? Maybe.. we can find stats for that..

But my biggest outrage is about the severity and selfishness of the perps..

As one person at my coffee shop is known to say.. He can tolerate a thieving crook if he gets some of the l**t..

When it is all for the crook and the crook only, then even this fine man at the coffee shop has had more then enough..

He is fed up with his orange man also.. a v**e he truly regrets..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Jack, jack jack..


That is so untrue... you can do far better..

the ACA took over 2 years to get passed into law.. It had over 170 inputs from the GOP. Part of its language was amended to what the GOP preferred..

the attempt by the orange man however.. was a very closed door secret.. Six weeks, about a dozen men put it together. Not a single Dem allowed to even open the door..

But they could not manage to put anything together that even their own side could v**e for..

your orange rind insisted it would be better and cheaper.. but is was so bad and so expensive even the GOP could not v**e for it..

CDM Loc: Florida

Wm; welcome to the world of Permafrost ... You have no prayer of logical, reasonable debate with this far, far L*****t degenerate. He has a special h**e for America that goes beyond the norm even for hard core L*****ts. He is deaf and will regurgitate L*****t talking points ad nauseam ... Enjoy!

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Jack, I give you fact and data to back them up.. You give me BS from your damn fish wrap lying alt-right publications..

If you refuse to believe facts, then you deserve the butt butting the the orange man is giving to all his v**ers.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

HI CDM,,


Have you been gone for a spell???

Did not miss you, only wondered...