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Feb 16, 2018 06:50:39   #
Betta
 
At the age of 18 folks are considered to be adults. Parents are not responsible for the damage their adult children inflict on society.


Ranger7374 wrote:
We know these facts:

-Children are getting guns and shooting fellow classmates, faculty and staff.

-These children were emotionally unstable.

-We punish law enforcement the schools and security forces for not responding.

-we punish the gun manufacturers and gun shops and gun dealers as well as owners of guns.

None of these solutions work. Why does Congress focus on a band aide solution rather than solving the problem?

I recommend holding first off the parents of the shooter just like we hold manufacturers for the consequences of their product.

The culture must change. Parents of children under the age of 25 should be held liable for the actions of their children.

Next, if warning signs of the mental health of such students then CPS should get.involved as well as law enforcement. And parents should be held accountable for their children's actions.

This may not completely solve the problem but we need a solution.
We know these facts: br br -Children are getting ... (show quote)

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Feb 16, 2018 07:19:11   #
ihntnfsh Loc: Colome, SD
 
Kevyn wrote:
Great idea, in North Korea families are punished for the misdeeds of their relatives, why not here.


Great idea lets do like North Korea and punish the parents. We will put the whole family in a concentration camp seperate the children fom the parents seperate the parents into different camps. We can let guards rape and molest the females and force the males to do s***e labor. You leftys are really strange people.

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Feb 16, 2018 07:39:31   #
rebob14
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
We know these facts:

-Children are getting guns and shooting fellow classmates, faculty and staff.

-These children were emotionally unstable.

-We punish law enforcement the schools and security forces for not responding.

-we punish the gun manufacturers and gun shops and gun dealers as well as owners of guns.

None of these solutions work. Why does Congress focus on a band aide solution rather than solving the problem?

I recommend holding first off the parents of the shooter just like we hold manufacturers for the consequences of their product.

The culture must change. Parents of children under the age of 25 should be held liable for the actions of their children.

Next, if warning signs of the mental health of such students then CPS should get.involved as well as law enforcement. And parents should be held accountable for their children's actions.

This may not completely solve the problem but we need a solution.
We know these facts: br br -Children are getting ... (show quote)


We provide armed guards for armored trucks and not for our children, who are required by law to attend government schools? Why do you suppose these sociopaths choose schools? Bexause they know we will not defend our children. To continue to refuse to protect them makes us as sociopathic as the k**lers.

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Feb 16, 2018 09:43:25   #
Iamdjchrys Loc: Decatur, Texas
 
bggamers wrote:
#1 how did he get approved for a gun if he had been to mental health. This was one of trumps talking point before he was elected the need for a data base that picks up mental health issues when doing back ground checks #2 why did the FBI not pull him in for questioning in Sept /sounds like they let it slip through like so many OTHER issues/ Why didnt they pick up that this kid had a gun!!!!!! This isnt about Guns its about our GOVERMENT agencys doing their Damn job (nobody should be able to buy legally a gun till they are 18/20
#1 how did he get approved for a gun if he had bee... (show quote)


Nicolas Cruz is 19

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Feb 16, 2018 09:49:12   #
Buford Loc: Arizona
 
Gatsby wrote:
Dandy idea, should we start with all of the so called dreamers, lock them all up for the crimes of their i*****l i*******t parents.


Now you’re talking

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Feb 16, 2018 10:14:43   #
currahee
 
What we need Congress to do is to start investigation the "gun control" lobby. I do not have the evidence for my allegation but my first reaction is to think that "It is incredibly stupid of the desperate left that wants have peace by way of gun confiscation of American citizens to plan these murderous events through a politicized FBI." History yields its messages about how certain parties, N**is and Bolsheviks staged events to disarm a citizenry to take over their country. Our controllers, the "bankers" love to fund these parties.

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Feb 16, 2018 11:24:48   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
Kevyn wrote:
The gun lobby has effectively blocked a computerized data base of firearms sales. As a result someone can buy an assault rifle pass the background check and if they become mentally ill after the fact there is no way for local officials to know if they have a gun.


kevyn: You should pass a background check before you open you're pie hole!!!!! Stop treating the symptom work on the cause!!!!! Read some John Lott!

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Feb 16, 2018 21:37:23   #
vettelover Loc: Richmond Va
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
We know these facts:

-Children are getting guns and shooting fellow classmates, faculty and staff.

-These children were emotionally unstable.

-We punish law enforcement the schools and security forces for not responding.

-we punish the gun manufacturers and gun shops and gun dealers as well as owners of guns.

None of these solutions work. Why does Congress focus on a band aide solution rather than solving the problem?

I recommend holding first off the parents of the shooter just like we hold manufacturers for the consequences of their product.

The culture must change. Parents of children under the age of 25 should be held liable for the actions of their children.

Next, if warning signs of the mental health of such students then CPS should get.involved as well as law enforcement. And parents should be held accountable for their children's actions.

This may not completely solve the problem but we need a solution.
We know these facts: br br -Children are getting ... (show quote)



Ok, I guess holding car manufacturers will be next, right? Hold them responsible when a souless extremist or mentally deranged person jumps in a truck and mows down a crowd at the mall.

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Feb 17, 2018 01:08:35   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
vettelover wrote:
Ok, I guess holding car manufacturers will be next, right? Hold them responsible when a souless extremist or mentally deranged person jumps in a truck and mows down a crowd at the mall.


Too many of our left leaners just can't see that k*****g in the way you suggest is as bad as shooting crowds of people. It is guns they want outlawed and things like this shooting makes them think that taking our guns will make everybody safe. They can't, or won't, understand that k*****g by any method is just wrong.

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Feb 17, 2018 05:44:09   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
Betta wrote:
At the age of 18 folks are considered to be adults. Parents are not responsible for the damage their adult children inflict on society.


You are correct, at age 18, you are given some freedom of being an adult. Like you can v**e, and die for your country, but you cannot drink--that happens at age 21. And in some states you cannot enter a contract until you are at least 21 years old, and in some other states 25. In some states you cannot get a CDL until you reach the age of 24.

Hell in some states you can't even go into an "Adult" shop or buy "Adult" material if you are under the age of 21. Some material you can not buy unless you are 25.

Interesting age is 25, Ben Franklin stated that a man is not wise until he is 30. He pushed to make an age requirement for Representatives to be 25 and Senators to be 30 as a minimum age. Look at being President you have to be at least 35. With JFK being the youngest president at age 40. Not to mention the Supreme Court Justices.

Mostly in this country however, you can be charged as an adult in a court of law after the age of 18.
However, if you go to college after high school you are still a minor until you graduate.....that is age 25

First, I suggest that a minor should be defined as anyone below the age of 25
Second, I suggest that parents and guardians, and adopted parents, should be held responsible for their children up to age 25.
Third, my case is as follows:
-IF Smith and Wesson, Colt, Remington or Winchester can be charged with a crime if their product is used in a mass murder situation, then parents should be charged likewise.

This change in the law would force parents to raise their children right.

Now, I disagree with over zealous CPS agents. Parents should be granted the freedom to raise their children as they see fit. However, I also believe that parents who go too far with their children should be punished as well.

If a manufacturer of a product is held responsible for the injury that product does on the public. So too should Parents be held responsible for their Children.

If a manufacturer creates a product, then it holds true and reasonable that children are created by their parents.

Parents are the first to influence a child from birth. In the Bible, in Proverbs it is written, "Spare the rod, Spoil the child"
There was a 2003 report by the psychological community that supports the ancient writing.

Now spoiling the child, does not make the child a mass murderer. However, if we are to stop these horrible k*****gs of kids to kids, then we must do all we can. And this is one way that society can police themselves and if need be, get the government involved.

Murderers are created, they just don't come into being.
Regardless of what evil is pushing the individual, ie bullying, every person has a breaking point that causes them to lose all sense of rationality.
When this occurs the individual either takes to fight or flight.

In the past a majority of the public would rather take flight then fight. But some will fight.
Henceforth, the phrase "going postal"

This is just my opinion.

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Feb 17, 2018 05:45:57   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
vettelover wrote:
Ok, I guess holding car manufacturers will be next, right? Hold them responsible when a souless extremist or mentally deranged person jumps in a truck and mows down a crowd at the mall.


Ford, Chevrolet, Chrysler, have been sued over injuring the public.

The topic here is to hold Parents just as responsible.

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Feb 17, 2018 20:53:40   #
vettelover Loc: Richmond Va
 
oldroy wrote:
Too many of our left leaners just can't see that k*****g in the way you suggest is as bad as shooting crowds of people. It is guns they want outlawed and things like this shooting makes them think that taking our guns will make everybody safe. They can't, or won't, understand that k*****g by any method is just wrong.


Are people not getting in cars, vans and trucks and DRIVING THROUGH CROWDS OF PEOPLE! How many people have been murdered in Spain and France again? How many people were k**led on 911 by 19 psychos grabbing two airplanes? We live in a dangerous, fcked up world, I will keep my firearms thank you.

By the way, I would like to remind you, we are welll out matched by the progressive Democrat party's well armed Agencies and Muslim extremist. The AR15 is a lethal weapon but far far from military grade.

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Feb 17, 2018 21:02:29   #
The Rebel
 
vernon wrote:
well I know you were being a smart ass but when i was a kid if someone saw you screwing up he just might kick your butt.hell now parents can't

kick his kids ass with out the chance of going to jail.But that's what you turkeys have accomplished with your liberal bullshot.Now go out and tell

anyone that will listen how bad corporal punishment is and how kids need a village so just run wild.


YOU ARE SO RIGHT! Then the government also stepped in regarding kids working. Heck when I was growing up my family farmed and we were busy from sunup to sundown (and lots of times before and after). Now you have kids running around saying they're bored and I get so tired of hearing it. We never had time to get bored. Give these kids something to do: mucking manure outta the barn, baling hay, if nothing else send the i******s home and put em in the fields picking the crops. Time to get tough with these kids. We never had an easy life and they shouldn't either.

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Feb 18, 2018 14:36:23   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO
 
proud republican wrote:
Sorry,but all this mental illness is BS!!!He wasnt mentally ill, he knew exactly what he was doing!!!He went into the school, he pulled fire alarm because he knew kids would come out,he had gas mask on for crying out loud!!!He knew exactly what he was doing!!!It sickens me to know that his lawyers are going to paint him out to be some poor kid who had no love no parents who didnt know what he was doing and they gonna put him into mental institution where all of us gonna have to pay for him to live with bed and 3 meals a day!!! This BS in my opinion!!He is not mentally ill!!! He is deranged murderer who needs to be put to death!!!
Sorry,but all this mental illness is BS!!!He wasnt... (show quote)


What tells me a lot, is he was he was 19 years old, and still in High School. (is that a product of the liberal education system now?) Hell, when I was 19 years old I was in South Vietnam on the receiving end of what that putrid reprobate was dishing out in Florida! My heart goes out to the families of the deceased and wounded.

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Feb 18, 2018 19:49:38   #
vernon
 
Kevyn wrote:
Great idea, in North Korea families are punished for the misdeeds of their relatives, why not here.



If you ever become a parent it will be your responsibility to raise them in a proper manner.You are expected to raise them loyal to the country they are a citizen of and obey the laws of the nation,or pay the penalty.

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