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Feb 15, 2018 20:29:43   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
JFlorio wrote:
Not true. Especially in this case. Could you imagine the damage he could have done close up with a pump 12 gauge. He walked out with plenty of ammo still on him. So the type gun had no real determination on how many dead. People set on the murder of many won’t use a bolt action rifle. Guess what? They also won’t care what type weapon you ban. If a security guard would have had a scary AR15 we might just have one dead. The shooter. Fact is you guys get your panties in a bunch over a scary looking rifle when the vast number of murders are committed by handguns. He also had been looking on line at how to make bombs. If he couldn’t have gotten a gun who knows what he’d have done. Your Ilk are the ones getting kids k**led. You just keep naming solutions that won’t work so you feel good about your self. For your info my AR IS IN MY 600!lb. gun safe.
Not true. Especially in this case. Could you imagi... (show quote)


I have a Weatherby pump 12 gauge that has some of the same awful features as an AR. It holds 8 rounds fully loaded, and is easy to reload. Loaded with 00 buck, it could be a real crowd pleaser. Just like my Winchester bird gun.
We have to get rid of the scary looking stuff to fix the problem. Problem being that we aren't doing anything about the scary stuff to not solve the problem.
This is the same BS these guys cry about every time something like this happens before the whole story is ever out. It's stupid.

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Feb 15, 2018 20:31:29   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
11r20 wrote:
All of you lefty lucy home grown c****es are all led by corporate see'eye'aye CNN/MSLSD
propagandists WHO ARE THEMSELVES ARMED, and as the media hypocrits all Virtue Signal to You
lefty lucy cult followers/suckers <> they Themselves always Conceal Carry or hire Armed bodyguards.

Yer NWO lucy cult leaders are Always laughing behind yer back. =^.^=


This is true.

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Feb 15, 2018 23:41:27   #
ghostgotcha Loc: The Florida swamps
 
Blade_Runner wrote:


Here's a newsflash: the problem is not the gun, the problem is moral decay, cultural corruption, societal breakdown, educational failures, the destruction of the nuclear family. Gun control laws never have or ever will cure this sickness. When a mentally ill individual or a violent criminal needs a weapon, he will get one regardless of any laws on the books. If the sicko can't get a gun, he will get something else.


Blade your closing paragraph pretty well says it all. My kudos to you for that.

The only salvation will be societal changes fixing the ills you described. Unfortunately as delineated by many posters following your post -- posters who have little stomach for other than blaming inanimate objects (aka guns). -- posters who cannot see past the end of their noses and are unlikely to look in a mirror at themselves.



Perhaps someday your words of wisdom will sink into the i***ts heads. In the meantime (protect your family)>


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Feb 16, 2018 07:13:06   #
ihntnfsh Loc: Colome, SD
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Another school shooting as everybody has heard. As usual, the k**ler used an AR15 knock off. It a copy of the militaries semi automatic assault rifle. The rifle can hold a magazine of thirty rounds. Each bullet is deadly. It has a high velocity, and when it hits a target, the rounds tumble to make a huge hole in the body. I say it's high time we get outlaw it's sale to civilians. It's not a hunting weapon and isn't necessary for defense of a home. It was developed to k**l as many people as possible.
I am a gun owner and have a concealed weapons permit. I am am a believer in the second amendment, but this instrument of murder has caused far to many deaths of innocents, many in schools. How many more children must die before we take this terrible weapon off the market?
Another school shooting as everybody has heard. As... (show quote)


You claim to be a gun owner but you know nothing about .223 round. The round does not tumble when it strikes, it may tumble after hitting bone. I take you have never seen anyone that has actually been hit with a .223. A hunting round mushrooms and will make a fair sized hole, wear-as a military f.m.j. (Full metal jacket ) doesn’t, it leaves a small entry and exit wound. The ARs are excellent varmit rifles. A Ruger or Marlin .22 semi-auto rifle will also do the job you just have be closer. So sooner rather than later you people on the left will be going after all semi-auto firearms. You can pass all the gun laws you want and it won’t a damn bit of difference if some i***t want to go on a k*****g spree they are going to do it and all the laws in the world won’t stop them.

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Feb 16, 2018 07:23:34   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Another school shooting as everybody has heard. As usual, the k**ler used an AR15 knock off. It a copy of the militaries semi automatic assault rifle. The rifle can hold a magazine of thirty rounds. Each bullet is deadly. It has a high velocity, and when it hits a target, the rounds tumble to make a huge hole in the body. I say it's high time we get outlaw it's sale to civilians. It's not a hunting weapon and isn't necessary for defense of a home. It was developed to k**l as many people as possible.
I am a gun owner and have a concealed weapons permit. I am am a believer in the second amendment, but this instrument of murder has caused far to many deaths of innocents, many in schools. How many more children must die before we take this terrible weapon off the market?
Another school shooting as everybody has heard. As... (show quote)


Just answer one question honestly: What is the intent and purpose of the second amendment? Answer that honestly, then go back and read your post again. 'Nuff said?

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Feb 16, 2018 07:34:36   #
rebob14
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Another school shooting as everybody has heard. As usual, the k**ler used an AR15 knock off. It a copy of the militaries semi automatic assault rifle. The rifle can hold a magazine of thirty rounds. Each bullet is deadly. It has a high velocity, and when it hits a target, the rounds tumble to make a huge hole in the body. I say it's high time we get outlaw it's sale to civilians. It's not a hunting weapon and isn't necessary for defense of a home. It was developed to k**l as many people as possible.
I am a gun owner and have a concealed weapons permit. I am am a believer in the second amendment, but this instrument of murder has caused far to many deaths of innocents, many in schools. How many more children must die before we take this terrible weapon off the market?
Another school shooting as everybody has heard. As... (show quote)


Wrong.........it’s the most popular hunting rifle in America.

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Feb 16, 2018 11:30:32   #
Happishark
 
pafret wrote:
As a believer in the 2nd amendment you must understand that the purpose of possessing weaponry is not for hunting, target shooting or any sport issue. Its purpose is to oppose and o*******w the government, when it becomes necessary, to preserve our God given rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. The second amendment states: "A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.". The m*****a was defined in two subsequent laws as all able bodied men between the ages of eighteen and fifty-five and required them to obtain and maintain the latest and best existing weaponry so as to be able to defend their states, counties and homes. It was initially designed as defense against foreign invaders but in recent history, the invasion is more likely to be from the Federal government infringing on our rights.

Since this is the purpose of this Amendment of the Constitution it then follows that the citizenry must have weapons of similar capability to those used by the government. You cannot oppose semi or full automatic weapons with muzzle loaders and blunderbusses. Any arguments about suitability of various weapons fails before the intended purpose of the Second Amendment.

Once again the argument is against the tool used and there is no inquiry as to why this individual went berserk and committed such a heinous act. He could just as easily have constructed a bomb with readily available household items and information from the internet. Would you then call for a ban on Drano, Phosph**e fertilizers and blasting caps? I have seen no inquiry as to who owned the gun used and why it was available for a mentally unstable, anti-social, individual to use.

From the information coming out, this individual was identified by his classmates as being likely to commit such an act. He had a history of mental instability and anti-social behavior and the only action taken was throwing him out of school. Expulsion solved the school's problem temporarily, but it left a young man with mental problems, suffering from loss of his mother to fester and plot revenge. There is also a suggestion that psychotropic drugs may have been involved and the allegation has been made that they are a factor in every one of the other mass murders.

In chronic cases of malbehavior such as this individual's, something more than school discipline is needed. On the face of it this was an individual who exhibited mental instability over a long time frame and little to nothing was done to protect his classmates, the public, or the shooter himself. At the very least his access to weapons of all sorts should have been investigated.
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If I were going to propose legislation to limit a person's access to firearms on account of his/her mental instability (which would be difficult to do, if not impossible, while respecting that person's right to privacy), the first group of people whose mental stability I'd want to examine would be those who harbor fantasies about the violent o*******w of our government.

And, issues of sanity aside, do you really think a group of individuals, however powerful their private arsenal, could defeat the United States government? Or, for that matter, the government of any developed nation? What century are you living in?

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Feb 16, 2018 11:52:25   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Happishark wrote:
And, issues of sanity aside, do you really think a group of individuals, however powerful their private arsenal, could defeat the United States government? Or, for that matter, the government of any developed nation? What century are you living in?


The United States government could be defeated by a group of kindergarten kids with slingshots, and that before breakfast. The United States government is little more than a group of political hacks pontificating and preening themselves for the adulation of the masses. The United States military, however, is another proposition altogether. But who makes up the military? The very same people who just might take exception to government overreach in the first place. Governments, developed nations or not, are only as strong as the people who support them. If their popular support is undermined, so is their inherent strength. Just as an aside, and an interesting hypothetical, imagine an army officer being told to order his troops to open fire on a group of Americans. What would be the reaction? Would it be a constitutionally legal order to follow? He would likely refuse such an order, and even if he actually gave the order, what would his troops on the line do? Would they blindly follow such an order? Would they take aim and fire on their own countrymen? I expect ( and hope) they would also refuse such an order, on the grounds of its questionable legality.

You assign way too much ability to a group of people who would run a mile at the very mention of the word 'combat'. If a group of patriotically-minded armed citizens were to o*******w the corrupt, overreaching cabal we currently tolerate on Capitol Hill, I don't imagine we would see too much trouble from the US military. At worst, they might sit back and twiddle their thumbs, at best, well, they might even join in and help with the proceedings.

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Feb 16, 2018 11:58:21   #
Happishark
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
The United States government could be defeated by a group of kindergarten kids with slingshots, and that before breakfast. The United States government is little more than a group of political hacks pontificating and preening themselves for the adulation of the masses. The United States military, however, is another proposition altogether. But who makes up the military? The very same people who just might take exception to government overreach in the first place. Governments, developed nations or not, are only as strong as the people who support them. If their popular support is undermined, so is their inherent strength. Just as an aside, and an interesting hypothetical, imagine an army officer being told to order his troops to open fire on a group of Americans. What would be the reaction? Would it be a constitutionally legal order to follow? He would likely refuse such an order, and even if he actually gave the order, what would his troops on the line do? Would they blindly follow such an order? Would they take aim and fire on their own countrymen? I expect ( and hope) they would also refuse such an order, on the grounds of its questionable legality.

You assign way too much ability to a group of people who would run a mile at the very mention of the word 'combat'. If a group of patriotically-minded armed citizens were to o*******w the corrupt, overreaching cabal we currently tolerate on Capitol Hill, I don't imagine we would see too much trouble from the US military. At worst, they might sit back and twiddle their thumbs, at best, well, they might even join in and help with the proceedings.
The United States government could be defeated by ... (show quote)


The "corrupt, overreaching cabal" controls the armed forces and FBI.

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Feb 16, 2018 12:08:35   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Happishark wrote:
The "corrupt, overreaching cabal" controls the armed forces and FBI.


Yes, an armed forces and an FBI consisting of a large number of individuals drawn from the general population who consented to serve a predetermined contract for a term of years. These are not automatons. They are regular guys (girls?) just like you and me. Ask yourself, what would you do?

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Feb 16, 2018 12:15:13   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JFlorio wrote:
////If you think banning AR15's would have prevented these shootings you're dumber than I thought and that's going some. Go ahead whiner,
name the gun law you would pass that would have stopped these k*****gs. Until you can do that STFU!




The old Clinton law would come close, but that was not renewed.. Long time gone..

gun limited by description, not brand or model..

Nothing could garentee that this man would not have been able to k**l people in this school on this day..

But often, someone goes off the handle and acts now, today.. If he could not get his tool at that moment.. Would the urge fade away with the rest of his anger..

We can in no way be sure of stopping any single event.. But some efforts could well stop some deaths..

By the way.. the attack which did not happen in Washington state has gotten little coverage and no mention on OPP that I have read..

gamma did the right thing and deaths were very likely prevented..

So, come up with an idea, standing around with your thumb up your butt will accomplish nothing..

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Feb 16, 2018 12:24:15   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
permafrost wrote:
But often, someone goes off the handle and acts now, today.. If he could not get his tool at that moment.. Would the urge fade away with the rest of his anger..


You mean like the 3-day waiting period we all must serve now before picking up our legal purchase? Or should I surrender my firearms to the local police station and give them 3 days' notice that I would please like to borrow my guns for a day at the range? Or perhaps I should be accompanied by a qualified police officer at all times when firearm is in my possession? You know, just in case...

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Feb 16, 2018 12:57:18   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
You mean like the 3-day waiting period we all must serve now before picking up our legal purchase? Or should I surrender my firearms to the local police station and give them 3 days' notice that I would please like to borrow my guns for a day at the range? Or perhaps I should be accompanied by a qualified police officer at all times when firearm is in my possession? You know, just in case...




Been a while that I last bought a gun in a store..Or anywhere..

But at that time, I picked up the gun I had just bought and walked out the door..

but what was on my mind when I wrote what you looking at. Was not that he ran out and bought one. He bought his AR-15 leagely some time ago..

ONly that if a gun was not handy at the time to use it.. He could very likely have the urge to k**l fade away.. With the gun of choice near at hand, it becomes a grab and go..

Now for that to actually happen, would require a very different America than we have..

The mistakes made in the past complicate our lives today in a huge way..

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Feb 16, 2018 12:58:06   #
Happishark
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Yes, an armed forces and an FBI consisting of a large number of individuals drawn from the general population who consented to serve a predetermined contract for a term of years. These are not automatons. They are regular guys (girls?) just like you and me. Ask yourself, what would you do?


Everything* I could to prevent or suppress an an armed i**********n, no matter how sympathetic I was to the complaints of those in r*******n. Injustice is rampant in the US and around the world, but none here, at least, that could be remedied by resorting to violence.

*OK--not everything. I wouldn't endorse or participate in mass arrests, torture, indiscriminate k*****g, the use of biological agents--and the list goes on--to put down an armed uprising. However, I am as certain as I am of anything that the dire consequences of such an action would far, far outweigh any possible good that could come of it.

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Feb 16, 2018 13:03:49   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Happishark wrote:
Everything* I could to prevent or suppress an an armed i**********n, no matter how sympathetic I was to the complaints of those in r*******n. Injustice is rampant in the US and around the world, but none here, at least, that could be remedied by resorting to violence.

*OK--not everything. I wouldn't endorse or participate in mass arrests, torture, indiscriminate k*****g, the use of biological agents--and the list goes on--to put down an armed uprising. However, I am as certain as I am of anything that the dire consequences of such an action would far, far outweigh any possible good that could come of it.
Everything* I could to prevent or suppress an an a... (show quote)


So you would have sided with the British in 1776? Or the French king in 1789? How about the Kaiser in 1917? What you said looks like a knee-jerk reaction. Think about it.

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