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Mar 18, 2014 18:35:12   #
Brian Devon
 
permafrost wrote:
4 Years After Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill, EPA Lifts BP’s Gulf Drilling Ban




Nearly four years after the BP Deepwater Horizon oil and gas disaster in the Gulf of Mexico—an event that blew away the record books for the nation’s worst accidental oil spill—BP is fully back in business, and drilling is booming in the Gulf of Mexico.

Outrageous! The EPA all too CLEARLY works for the corporations and BIG OIL. Despite all the continued havoc rippling through the ecosystems in the Gulf from the DeepWater calamity, and likely to continue for generations, the Environmental PROTECTION Agency green-lights more drilling? Why? Have there been some developments - such as how to cope with disasters like DeepWater without dumping millions of gallons of even more toxic dispersants? No. Look for more ruination, deformed fish, drowned birds, dead manatees and blind shrimp to come.... I'm utterly disgusted.
4 Years After Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill, EPA Lif... (show quote)



Me too. Both sides of the aisle are bought and paid for. There are a few exceptions, but as of now, not enough to make a difference.

How about an all New England ticket of Gov. Dean/Senator Warren? They would probably have a very different take on ultra-deep off-shore drilling, and the the tar-pits it makes of our coasts.

Californians visiting Santa Barbara Beaches still have to scrape tar off of the bottoms of their feet, 45 years after the Union Oil off-shore platform blew out in the late 1960s.

For obvious reasons the Santa Barbara tourist board does not like to advertise the ruination of their beaches. On foggy mornings the oil stench hovers over their coast.

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Mar 18, 2014 18:45:11   #
Terry Hamblin
 
jimahrens tag line:
"When like gives you Lemons Make Make Chicken Soup!!!"

Sorry Jim trying to figure this one out??

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Mar 18, 2014 19:00:14   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Brian Devon wrote:
Me too. Both sides of the aisle are bought and paid for. There are a few exceptions, but as of now, not enough to make a difference.

How about an all New England ticket of Gov. Dean/Senator Warren? They would probably have a very different take on ultra-deep off-shore drilling, and the the tar-pits it makes of our coasts.

Californians visiting Santa Barbara Beaches still have to scrape tar off of the bottoms of their feet, 45 years after the Union Oil off-shore platform blew out in the late 1960s.

For obvious reasons the Santa Barbara tourist board does not like to advertise the ruination of their beaches. On foggy mornings the oil stench hovers over their coast.
Me too. Both sides of the aisle are bought and pai... (show quote)


Been looking for someone who I could v**e for, I think Dean/Warren would do nicely..

Nothing seems to be bad as crude oil spills, worse than Hog manure.. I should have pointed that out on the deep water drilling post...

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Mar 18, 2014 19:06:22   #
Terry Hamblin
 
You see how we made all sorts of comments on a virtually moot point. Even though most of the comments were to bust one another's chops we did learn a few things.

Don't expound on the Oceans if you have never been there.
Don't ever think that the EPA is useful for anything.
Don't blame big oil for the price of gasoline, blame the government, because the government makes A LOT more money on a gallon than big oil does.
Did you know that California is exporting oil overseas to keep prices up?

All in all, there is manipulation at every turn, our country got what it asked for, incompetence, fraud and outright larceny, beware the masses, they cannot be trusted...me.

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Mar 18, 2014 19:07:19   #
jimahrens Loc: California
 
You sit here and talk about oil spills no one on right or left likes them . Buy the way how convent for you not to mention the tens of thousands of birds k**led each year by wind farms. but understand how you think
permafrost wrote:
Been looking for someone who I could v**e for, I think Dean/Warren would do nicely..

Nothing seems to be bad as crude oil spills, worse than Hog manure.. I should have pointed that out on the deep water drilling post...

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Mar 18, 2014 19:15:30   #
Brian Devon
 
permafrost wrote:
Been looking for someone who I could v**e for, I think Dean/Warren would do nicely..

Nothing seems to be bad as crude oil spills, worse than Hog manure.. I should have pointed that out on the deep water drilling post...



Hog manure is at least good for fertilizer. Tar balls are only good for k*****g ocean life and ruining our seafood supply.

I don't think the average American understands how these ocean platform petro-chemical corporate criminals do business. They are most happy when they can socialize the risks...and privatize the profits.

Smelling the results can really make you lose your lunch...even 45 years after one of these blow-outs.

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Mar 18, 2014 19:18:41   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Terry Hamblin wrote:
You see how we made all sorts of comments on a virtually moot point. Even though most of the comments were to bust one another's chops we did learn a few things.

Don't expound on the Oceans if you have never been there.
Don't ever think that the EPA is useful for anything.
Don't blame big oil for the price of gasoline, blame the government, because the government makes A LOT more money on a gallon than big oil does.
Did you know that California is exporting oil overseas to keep prices up?

All in all, there is manipulation at every turn, our country got what it asked for, incompetence, fraud and outright larceny, beware the masses, they cannot be trusted...me.
You see how we made all sorts of comments on a vir... (show quote)


Terry, I have been to the ocean, several different ones..But you are right, I don`t know much about them..

I am on Nixon side with EPA, it is the best agency modern govt has put together..

Big oil has such a long record of lies and devious behavior, I can not find it in me to say anything good about them..

Govt. puts tax on gas and seemingly everything else. but the manipulation of prices is done by the oil co...

"California" is not the entity shipping oil to Asia, it is the oil cos...

Otherwise, I agree with you.....

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Mar 18, 2014 19:22:26   #
jimahrens Loc: California
 
Excellent point Oil Company's make 3 cents per gallon rest is speculators,t***sportation,state taxes and federal tax and ofcourse profit for gas stations.
Terry Hamblin wrote:
You see how we made all sorts of comments on a virtually moot point. Even though most of the comments were to bust one another's chops we did learn a few things.

Don't expound on the Oceans if you have never been there.
Don't ever think that the EPA is useful for anything.
Don't blame big oil for the price of gasoline, blame the government, because the government makes A LOT more money on a gallon than big oil does.
Did you know that California is exporting oil overseas to keep prices up?

All in all, there is manipulation at every turn, our country got what it asked for, incompetence, fraud and outright larceny, beware the masses, they cannot be trusted...me.
You see how we made all sorts of comments on a vir... (show quote)

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Mar 18, 2014 19:27:15   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
jimahrens wrote:
You sit here and talk about oil spills no one on right or left likes them . Buy the way how convent for you not to mention the tens of thousands of birds k**led each year by wind farms. but understand how you think


Yes, I h**e the bird k**ls, but no idea on how to stop that.. I am for wind farms..

I once worked for a co that put together a bird sanctuary in a tiny bit of swamp on the land they owned. Ducks loved it, problem was high tension electric lines over head. Every day, dozen or more duck laying dead under the natural flying space which took the into those wires... Nasty...

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Mar 18, 2014 19:29:40   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
jimahrens wrote:
Excellent point Oil Company's make 3 cents per gallon rest is speculators,t***sportation,state taxes and federal tax and ofcourse profit for gas stations.


Yes, I think speculators are the worse item on your list. Someone said if they had to accept delv of the oil they buy to force the price up, they could be eliminated...

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Mar 18, 2014 19:31:06   #
jimahrens Loc: California
 
I AM ALL FOR ADVANCES IN TECH INDUSTRY SOLOR BATTERIES ETC. wOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IT COST TO REPLACE THE BATTERIES IN A VOLT?
permafrost wrote:
Yes, I h**e the bird k**ls, but no idea on how to stop that.. I am for wind farms..

I once worked for a co that put together a bird sanctuary in a tiny bit of swamp on the land they owned. Ducks loved it, problem was high tension electric lines over head. Every day, dozen or more duck laying dead under the natural flying space which took the into those wires... Nasty...

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Mar 18, 2014 19:37:13   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
jimahrens wrote:
I AM ALL FOR ADVANCES IN TECH INDUSTRY SOLOR BATTERIES ETC. wOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IT COST TO REPLACE THE BATTERIES IN A VOLT?


I would like to know that, it would be all news to me, know nothing about that cost except that it has to be very high. Batteries are another part of the tech system we need to see a great deal of development in... Thanks...

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Mar 18, 2014 19:42:52   #
jimahrens Loc: California
 
dON'T HAVE A HEART ATTACK READ ARTICLE THE OTHER DAY ON THE VOLT IT WAS PRESSED BY GOV. AND HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED. THEY SOL WEELL FOR FIRST FEW MONTHS. THEN SALES DROPED DRASTICALLY. WHEN PEOPLE FOUND OT THE COST TO MAINTAIN BATTERIES AND THERE REPLACEMENT. hOW ABOUT A MERE 35.000 DOLLARS. YES SOUNDS CRAZY BUT IS TRUE
permafrost wrote:
I would like to know that, it would be all news to me, know nothing about that cost except that it has to be very high. Batteries are another part of the tech system we need to see a great deal of development in... Thanks...

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Mar 18, 2014 19:55:07   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
jimahrens wrote:
dON'T HAVE A HEART ATTACK READ ARTICLE THE OTHER DAY ON THE VOLT IT WAS PRESSED BY GOV. AND HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED. THEY SOL WEELL FOR FIRST FEW MONTHS. THEN SALES DROPED DRASTICALLY. WHEN PEOPLE FOUND OT THE COST TO MAINTAIN BATTERIES AND THERE REPLACEMENT. hOW ABOUT A MERE 35.000 DOLLARS. YES SOUNDS CRAZY BUT IS TRUE


Holy s**** What did the car cost new? Don`t matter, at that price and my age I could buy a comfortable car to last me...

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Mar 18, 2014 20:09:57   #
Terry Hamblin
 
Did you notice that when the media was doing interviews on wind farms and solar farms, that the interviewees always stated that, "This plant can power a small city, or several thousand homes", but they NEVER said: This plant IS powering the small city of such and such or those several thousand homes right over there! Why did they put it that way? Because they had no proof of anything, and I only have word of mouth confirmation that the power companies built those farms because the money from the Federal government was substantially more than what it cost to build them. This being the case the power companies did not care in the least that the things didn't work. Can you imagine the cost to disassemble and repair the huge gears in the head of just one of those wind turbines 90 to 100 feet off the ground? That is why if you drive past those thousands of wind turbines in West Texas for example you may see 1 or 2 turning out of fifty! T. Boone Pickens is the only one who makes out with the wind turbines because he builds and sells them! Why did the solar water heater business go in the toilet? Because although they installed them free, the buyer had to replace the solar panels after two years at tremendous cost. Why did the solar project funded by Barack go under in California, after all, the good black man dedicated the plant himself?
Coal too nasty? Oil too nasty? Wh**ever you may think, the only clean, safe and efficient energy source is Nuclear Power.

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