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Sep 1, 2017 22:40:29   #
teabag09
 
And that was a total shame. My brother in-law is a nuclear physicist who is running the Savannah Ga. nuke thing and he, being a 70's hippie, has two Drs. degrees, agrees that we should be taking more advantage of nuke power. It's in the ground anyway and can be totally controlled. His mom, dad, and sister also have a Dr. degree though in different areas. Could never beat that bugger at darts. Mike
peter11937 wrote:
My Uncle was a nuclear engineer who helped design and build a nuclear powered locomotive that could run ten years without refueling. The test runs were successful, but there was and is so much paranoia about nuclear energy, it was disassembled and has vanished .

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Sep 1, 2017 22:54:43   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
teabag09 wrote:
And that was a total shame. My brother in-law is a nuclear physicist who is running the Savannah Ga. nuke thing and he, being a 70's hippie, has two Drs. degrees, agrees that we should be taking more advantage of nuke power. It's in the ground anyway and can be totally controlled. His mom, dad, and sister also have a Dr. degree though in different areas. Could never beat that bugger at darts. Mike


Yes, if you use miniature nuclear power and magnetic levitation together, both heavy t***sportation and Earth to orbit vehicles become very cheap. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=high+speed+magnetic+levitation+trains&qpvt=high+speed+magnetic+levitation+trains&FORM=VDRE not to mention exceptionally "green".

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Sep 2, 2017 00:27:19   #
teabag09
 
No argument from me. Doesn't pay the politicians so it ain't goinna happen. We need to change the political situation in this country. Right now everybody is on sun and wind. They are so wrong, they should be looking at thermal energy. It's under every country and it just takes going for it to use it. I believe it's Iceland that works completely on thermal. We could do the same here. They are talking about all of the semi quakes in Yellowstone, that heat that comes from that area could be used to create electricity. That's what coal, nuclear and geothermal plants do. They create electricity from some form of heat.. Mike
peter11937 wrote:
Yes, if you use miniature nuclear power and magnetic levitation together, both heavy t***sportation and Earth to orbit vehicles become very cheap. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=high+speed+magnetic+levitation+trains&qpvt=high+speed+magnetic+levitation+trains&FORM=VDRE not to mention exceptionally "green".

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Sep 2, 2017 09:05:11   #
Morgan
 
teabag09 wrote:
Morgan, your thought is a good one. Unfortunately, as you stated earlier, we can drive to our destination quicker, have control over our convenience, have ready t***sportation when we arrive. The other problem is our passenger train system is run like Greyhound. They stop at every po-dunk town which is agonizing. As far as being more efficient, taking the bus would be less polluting than the passenger trains as they are used today. Freight, that's a whole different matter. Mike


You have solid points here tb, but we need to look at what other more progressive places are doing and they are not in this country because they have us so fixed on us using cars and their fuel. This is why where I am they have the lights timed so we have to stop at every single light. They have them where you just get to 60mph and get a yellow light, this is not by accident. You go to another city out of America and they use more than buses and trains, they use trams, they are beautiful for the short stops around the city. There is a flow to the cities, it looks like it verges on insanity, but it works! Similar to the blood flow in our bodies. There very few lights instead they have round-a-bouts. When things are more convenient and less expensive, I believe Americans would make the change.

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Sep 2, 2017 09:13:30   #
Morgan
 
peter11937 wrote:
My Uncle was a nuclear engineer who helped design and build a nuclear powered locomotive that could run ten years without refueling. The test runs were successful, but there was and is so much paranoia about nuclear energy, it was disassembled and has vanished .




When they dismantle something it sounds more political than anything else, sometimes I h**e to use the word political when in actuality it's industry and what they want to keep hold of.

I suppose a nuclear run locomotive may have its higher risks with a crash, but I would imagine that could be worked out.

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Sep 2, 2017 09:51:48   #
Weewillynobeerspilly Loc: North central Texas
 
Morgan wrote:
I'm sure you're thankful for that, putting it in a residential area may be a little odd, as you say due to the incoming traffic, but more to the point being able to expand if things go well. Building parallel tracks would work but be expensive. Now you got me thinking, hey now no jokes
What they could also do is have one train pick up at A,C,E the other B,D,F or farther apart, one am, the other pm.

Well if I told ya I'd have to k**l ya, It's not nowhereville but it is where the wild horses and dolphins swim and what makes living here worthwhile.
I'm sure you're thankful for that, putting it in a... (show quote)


I am not thankful. ...i anticipate future issues with the train crossing arms.....they always fail in the down position..like a power window

Dual tracks is the only thing that would make it a viable option.... ..with tracks being single it becomes on way, now we have waiting times....I'm not taking a train if i have to wait on a return trip because there is a train on the tracks coming at me....they have to be going both ways....people are not going to wait. Rail and timbers are cheap materials, the RR already owns the property, or the rights to it, so no cost there.....crossings are already in place for the single track.

Both ways or it will never get masses of people to use it.....need a flow both ways, this isn't a 9 to 5 world anymore

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Sep 2, 2017 10:33:29   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Morgan wrote:
More and more cars and trucks, more and more expanding highways still with traffic jams, we are far behind other countries when it comes to rail systems. Between layover times, security lines, government bail outs, expense, and airport hassles, why do we not move towards more energy efficient train systems. Is it due to the control of the oil industries? Some thoughts...


http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/03/opinions/smart-high-speed-trains-america/index.html


I've always liked the idea of high speed trains as an alternative but don't think it will happen here..
A couple of reasons the high cost of securing of the land needed... One of the most expensive parts of building new rail lines these days is securing land along a relatively straight path...Be a little difficult running trains at high speeds along too sharp a curve and we have many when you think of the mountainous terrain just for cars driving around..

The automobile is deeply ingrained into the core fabric of American culture. We want our pretty little speedster to zip here and there because we do enjoy its independence or comfort .. Nothing like taking a road trip, car packed with all your familiars, music going, coffee stops in small little towns etc to set the mood of your trip.. Stop and go as you please and not have to worry about what other mode of t***sportation you will need to find once arriving at your destination..Because we are a rural community environment after the train ride then you most likely need a car, taxi or rental to complete it.. Too burdensome for us spoiled Americans and added expense as well.. Of course flying gives you the same need of further t***sportation when arriving.. That's why I enjoy road trips anymore...

We are a nation that thrives on our cars and we've been g***med that way since the first one put on the road..Not to mention the committed investment of hundreds of billions of dollars in interstate roadway ...And big business automobile dealers doing everything they can to keep it that way.

You speak of traveling Ny to NC which is heavily populated and the densest regions of the United States are located along the Eastern Seaboard, no doubt.. Running a single line from Boston down through New York and onto Washington D.C. makes the most economic sense... Indeed, this is where our limited high-speed lines exist as well as our most used passenger rails I believe??

Finally the cost in up keep after the billions needed to build the rail is most likely cost prohibitive when you consider we unlike Europe or Asia have the most availability of cars.. Our past time pleasure..

I guess we can find plenty of excuses when we prefer our cars because that is what moves our nation..

Commercial rail system t***sporting our industry needs just seems that is where locomotive t***sport has been and will stay..

When in Europe I used their rail system from Holland to Italy.. It ran most effectively, was on time at every stop, small town locales seemed burdensome adding more time no doubt but the view of the land breathtaking... So I didn't mind it.. Having so many of those stops tho because that is their primary mode of t***sportation would get old after awhile..

I still like the idea but also love my car and getting in it when I want going where I want without having to consider anything else.. Spoiled we are...

That's not to say we can't welcome the challlenge as the future is all about change...

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Sep 2, 2017 10:42:10   #
Morgan
 
Weewillynobeerspilly wrote:
I am not thankful. ...i anticipate future issues with the train crossing arms.....they always fail in the down position..like a power window

Dual tracks is the only thing that would make it a viable option.... ..with tracks being single it becomes on way, now we have waiting times....I'm not taking a train if i have to wait on a return trip because there is a train on the tracks coming at me....they have to be going both ways....people are not going to wait. Rail and timbers are cheap materials, the RR already owns the property, or the rights to it, so no cost there.....crossings are already in place for the single track.

Both ways or it will never get masses of people to use it.....need a flow both ways, this isn't a 9 to 5 world anymore
I am not thankful. ...i anticipate future issues w... (show quote)



I was referring to being thankful the station wasn't in your residential area, things could be worse than crossing arms, goodness, I thought I was bad Yeah I see your point, I also think continuous loop works well, still with fewer stops.

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Sep 2, 2017 10:49:36   #
Weewillynobeerspilly Loc: North central Texas
 
lindajoy wrote:
I've always liked the idea of high speed trains as an alternative but don't think it will happen here..
A couple of reasons the high cost of securing of the land needed... One of the most expensive parts of building new rail lines these days is securing land along a relatively straight path...Be a little difficult running trains at high speeds along too sharp a curve and we have many when you think of the mountainous terrain just for cars driving around..

The automobile is deeply ingrained into the core fabric of American culture. We want our pretty little speedster to zip here and there because we do enjoy its independence or comfort .. Nothing like taking a road trip, car packed with all your familiars, music going, coffee stops in small little towns etc to set the mood of your trip.. Stop and go as you please and not have to worry about what other mode of t***sportation you will need to find once arriving at your destination..Because we are a rural community environment after the train ride then you most likely need a car, taxi or rental to complete it.. Too burdensome for us spoiled Americans and added expense as well.. Of course flying gives you the same need of further t***sportation when arriving.. That's why I enjoy road trips anymore...

We are a nation that thrives on our cars and we've been g***med that way since the first one put on the road..Not to mention the committed investment of hundreds of billions of dollars in interstate roadway ...And big business automobile dealers doing everything they can to keep it that way.

You speak of traveling Ny to NC which is heavily populated and the densest regions of the United States are located along the Eastern Seaboard, no doubt.. Running a single line from Boston down through New York and onto Washington D.C. makes the most economic sense... Indeed, this is where our limited high-speed lines exist as well as our most used passenger rails I believe??

Finally the cost in up keep after the billions needed to build the rail is most likely cost prohibitive when you consider we unlike Europe or Asia have the most availability of cars.. Our past time pleasure..

I guess we can find plenty of excuses when we prefer our cars because that is what moves our nation..

Commercial rail system t***sporting our industry needs just seems that is where locomotive t***sport has been and will stay..

When in Europe I used their rail system from Holland to Italy.. It ran most effectively, was on time at every stop, small town locales seemed burdensome adding more time no doubt but the view of the land breathtaking... So I didn't mind it.. Having so many of those stops tho because that is their primary mode of t***sportation would get old after awhile..

I still like the idea but also love my car and getting in it when I want going where I want without having to consider anything else.. Spoiled we are...

That's not to say we can't welcome the challlenge as the future is all about change...
I've always liked the idea of high speed trains as... (show quote)




I don't think land would be an issue....pretty sure they have a large easement on both sides of track there now.... besides, history tells us the RR takes the land they want

they do have quite a bit of power still.

I see everyone is on the same page concerning stops, like you say......get old quick

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Sep 2, 2017 10:50:11   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
With you lindajoy. I think a fast rail would be a ball. However; too many stops would be a d**g. I wonder how long with all our environmental studies and regulations this sort of project would take.
lindajoy wrote:
I've always liked the idea of high speed trains as an alternative but don't think it will happen here..
A couple of reasons the high cost of securing of the land needed... One of the most expensive parts of building new rail lines these days is securing land along a relatively straight path...Be a little difficult running trains at high speeds along too sharp a curve and we have many when you think of the mountainous terrain just for cars driving around..

The automobile is deeply ingrained into the core fabric of American culture. We want our pretty little speedster to zip here and there because we do enjoy its independence or comfort .. Nothing like taking a road trip, car packed with all your familiars, music going, coffee stops in small little towns etc to set the mood of your trip.. Stop and go as you please and not have to worry about what other mode of t***sportation you will need to find once arriving at your destination..Because we are a rural community environment after the train ride then you most likely need a car, taxi or rental to complete it.. Too burdensome for us spoiled Americans and added expense as well.. Of course flying gives you the same need of further t***sportation when arriving.. That's why I enjoy road trips anymore...

We are a nation that thrives on our cars and we've been g***med that way since the first one put on the road..Not to mention the committed investment of hundreds of billions of dollars in interstate roadway ...And big business automobile dealers doing everything they can to keep it that way.

You speak of traveling Ny to NC which is heavily populated and the densest regions of the United States are located along the Eastern Seaboard, no doubt.. Running a single line from Boston down through New York and onto Washington D.C. makes the most economic sense... Indeed, this is where our limited high-speed lines exist as well as our most used passenger rails I believe??

Finally the cost in up keep after the billions needed to build the rail is most likely cost prohibitive when you consider we unlike Europe or Asia have the most availability of cars.. Our past time pleasure..

I guess we can find plenty of excuses when we prefer our cars because that is what moves our nation..

Commercial rail system t***sporting our industry needs just seems that is where locomotive t***sport has been and will stay..

When in Europe I used their rail system from Holland to Italy.. It ran most effectively, was on time at every stop, small town locales seemed burdensome adding more time no doubt but the view of the land breathtaking... So I didn't mind it.. Having so many of those stops tho because that is their primary mode of t***sportation would get old after awhile..

I still like the idea but also love my car and getting in it when I want going where I want without having to consider anything else.. Spoiled we are...

That's not to say we can't welcome the challlenge as the future is all about change...
I've always liked the idea of high speed trains as... (show quote)

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Sep 2, 2017 11:02:30   #
Weewillynobeerspilly Loc: North central Texas
 
Morgan wrote:
I was referring to being thankful the station wasn't in your residential area, things could be worse than crossing arms, goodness, I thought I was bad Yeah I see your point, I also think continuous loop works well, still with fewer stops.




But it is in my residential area.....i am off a Farm to Market rd that still has the original shotgun houses on several acres, it may be a mile or so away.....but that old FM road is the primary path to the freeway 5 or 6 miles out.......this will be a hassle for me, i feel it deep down in me bones...Arrrrgggggggg!

We will see though, it may be just fine ( doubt it) I didn't plant roots here in a quiet neighborhood to have a train and traffic follow me there. .....and another thing, although the old Cotton Belt is supposed to be for commuter purposes.....i just know they will be sneaking some freights thru now and then when i t suits a schedule they need.

Who knows what will be next.........liberals moving in.....can't be having none of that, that's just unacceptable. ..Hahaha...Yea!

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Sep 2, 2017 11:11:13   #
Weewillynobeerspilly Loc: North central Texas
 
JFlorio wrote:
With you lindajoy. I think a fast rail would be a ball. However; too many stops would be a d**g. I wonder how long with all our environmental studies and regulations this sort of project would take.




Depends where , pretty sure it would move quickly here...we have the materials and labor, the RR carries a big stick here.

I have seen the machine used to lay the tracks that offshoot to the docking area...... ......looks like it would put down a couple few miles a day, as long as it was fed the timbers and track......go both ways......very cool piece of equipment, very few Mescans needed

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Sep 2, 2017 11:11:20   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Weewillynobeerspilly wrote:
I don't think land would be an issue....pretty sure they have a large easement on both sides of track there now.... besides, history tells us the RR takes the land they want

they do have quite a bit of power still.

I see everyone is on the same page concerning stops, like you say......get old quick


Oh I know what you mean about the land infringement our government is able to steal but I suspect they would have a fight on their hands both state and federally to tie it up for awhile.. Think Bundy~~

I like the idea but just as you obit out I'm sure the people in your community are not so happy or maybe they are??? It would at least give others an alternative ..

When living in Chi~Town I took the L into downtown because the traffic was horrific..Efffective but time consuming and if detained until night the trip back was always worrisome because of the gangs that boarded later in the day.. They put in surveillance cameras thinking that would help but it really did not..

What did help was letting your own bit of protection to be seen.. That always caused them to look at you a bit differently

I know when Schwarzenegger was Governor of Cali he checked out our rail system t***sport as a means of t***sportation in Cali.. Only followed it a bit but the early stages were met with much resistance from the auto industry and some cities because they just didn't want it.. Can you believe they said it would further weaken the states inner core of weak grounding causing noise and vibration not wanted...

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Sep 2, 2017 11:37:09   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
JFlorio wrote:
With you lindajoy. I think a fast rail would be a ball. However; too many stops would be a d**g. I wonder how long with all our environmental studies and regulations this sort of project would take.


I'd love it..I know Chicago is looking into another Silver Bullet train going from it to St Louis but seems to have hit a wall~~ like no money in Illinois to pay their bills let alone build something like this..

They had a Silver Bullet speed train years ago but it is said they couldn't get passenger partication so they couldn't afford it... I think it also fell victim to progress itself..

Our environmental studies first need some t***h and updating in facts along with proper regulations .. As we move ahead so do our needs for protection.. literally and figuratively..
If power stations use f****l f**ls, even electric run trains will still impact...Alternative energies always being considered or in development mean economic, environmental and political dividends to be gained from replacing the internal combustion engines powering today's aircraft, cars, and motor vehicles with traction motors that can be powered by multiple energy sources delivered through the electric grid... Bet you knew where I was going here..

I think eventually this is what the future holds but you know oil companies will resist any attempt to solidify the move forward. You also know my feelings on C*****e c****e.. High speed engines will not impact what our world does on its own...

Have you ever been on a High speed train??

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Sep 2, 2017 11:46:17   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Never been, but think it would be really fun.
lindajoy wrote:
I'd love it..I know Chicago is looking into another Silver Bullet train going from it to St Louis but seems to have hit a wall~~ like no money in Illinois to pay their bills let alone build something like this..

They had a Silver Bullet speed train years ago but it is said they couldn't get passenger partication so they couldn't afford it... I think it also fell victim to progress itself..

Our environmental studies first need some t***h and updating in facts along with proper regulations .. As we move ahead so do our needs for protection.. literally and figuratively..
If power stations use f****l f**ls, even electric run trains will still impact...Alternative energies always being considered or in development mean economic, environmental and political dividends to be gained from replacing the internal combustion engines powering today's aircraft, cars, and motor vehicles with traction motors that can be powered by multiple energy sources delivered through the electric grid... Bet you knew where I was going here..

I think eventually this is what the future holds but you know oil companies will resist any attempt to solidify the move forward. You also know my feelings on C*****e c****e.. High speed engines will not impact what our world does on its own...

Have you ever been on a High speed train??
I'd love it..I know Chicago is looking into anothe... (show quote)

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