Glaucon

[quote=Not-a-RINO]There is NO question in my mind Cuomo would set up roadblocks on New York's highways if he ever heard I was going to be moving in!

Thanks to liberal twits like Cuomo, maybe New York could be renamed "East California"?

I have also wondered why most of the original 13 Colonies now are so diametrically opposed to the original intent of the documents they drafted which set up our Republic based on individual liberty, limited government and the rule of law? While the establishment of the United States was a great leap forward in regards to citizens and their government, the liberals have been back-peddling ever since towards tyranny and government control of lives.

Time to re-fill my coffee. Have a great day all!


Cuomo seemed happy to inflame tensions" Isn't that what politicians do? Are both Republican and Democrats happy to inflame tensions?

No question? That is pretty closed minded way to begin a sentence. Do you really think you are on Cuomo's radar at all? If Cuomo set up road blocks for political reasons, would that make both Christi and Cuomo wrong or would that make both of them right?

I didn't know the 13 colonies were (diametrically ?) opposed to the original intent our constitution. Isn't "original intent" a matter of interpretation? Isn't that why we have courts? Do people in the original 13 really oppose individual liberty or the rule of law? I think we all want our government to be big enough to do what we want it to do, but not so big as to be wasteful or to interfere with individual liberty no more than necessary. Who defines necessary, liberty ideal size of government, original intent. A modern liberal democracy is not neat and efficient, but it works for me. I think we are most effective in negotiating what works for the most of us when we don't get too far off specifics. When we say, extremist, we are not usually referring to someone with whom we agree. Would you agree that Michelle Bachman is an extremist? Who in the Democratic party would you label as an extremist? I think some of independence we need to give up to make other parts work, drive on the right side of the street, don't urinate in streams, don't litter, don't beat your children, etc. Would you agree?

I think small government is a slogan that has come to mean, I don't want to spend money on "those" peoples things. Unnecessary ships for the Navy that employ people in my district makes the facility necessary and I vote for it. There is extreme poverty in my district and I vote for food stamp programs that I deem necessary. Our representatives get together and agree I will support your unnecessary ship building if you support my unnecessary food stamp program. The voters are now happy and vote for their reps, and decry "big government." Some thoughts.

Artemis

It is understanding that gives us an ability to have peace. When we understand the other fellow's viewpoint, and he understands ours, then we can sit down and work out our differences.
Harry S. Truman

:evil: This is just more socialistic rhetoric crap ARRR

This is a statement of enlightenment. Each individual has to evolve and grow in order to get to the point Truman has achieved. Unfortunately, this evolvement never is accomplished by many, therefore the desire to meet this understanding is never warranted.

It has to do with those different brain types again, it has to do with being open minded or closed, fear and fearless.

That's what smoking pot use to be great for, losing fears and opening the mind.

OK we found the answer, all the representatives need to stoke on a dubie so they can find an agreement, sign a bill and actually get something done...lol

Not-a-RINO Loc: Michigan

[quote=Glaucon]

(Doing a user managed site - sp)

I was a bit reluctant to reply to your response because it appears you were either someone who liked to "stir the pot" or a liberal who just likes to argue. I hope I am mistaken on both accounts.

When someone states there is "no question" as I did, it merely is an assertion of fact. In my post, it included a tinge of levity as Cuomo, for all intents and purposes, could care less if I came to New York. In other words, no one with common sense would ever believe I would be barred from entering the Empire State.

As for the Original 13 Colonies, it is only my observation these states have moved the furthest from the ideals espoused in the Constitution - a document they ostensibly created. The majority of the locals support nanny state welfare, liberal tax-and-spend pols in their legislatures, enthusiastically support empty Marxist suits like Obama and are usually far-left social liberals. Personally, I would think our Framers would be thoroughly disgusted to see these states today.

On the subject of limited government, the FEDERAL government was supposed to be limited with enumerated powers and duties. It was the states who were given vast powers to run their affairs as the people, their legislatures and governors enacted. Today, the very body the states has created is now dictating to them. The courts have become a virtual, unaccountable legislature which hands down rulings the states and people have to abide by whether they like it or not.

Under federalism, for example, abortion on demand would not be handed down to the states. Instead, if a state wanted to allow it in their borders, the governor and legislature of that state could pass a law allowing it. Of course, these same people would face the wrath of the voters if they didn't like it.

As for Michelle Bachman, I would not label her as an extremist as she supports the original framework our government was designed as. Democrat extremists? Obama and the entire Democrat horde in Congress. Honestly, I cannot think of ONE member of the Democrat Party I would say was a moderate. The last one was Zell Miller of Georgia. Maybe if I met some of these Democrats, it's possible I could find a couple who are moderate on a few issues.

Please read the article on this posting. If you have a good understanding of the principles this country was founded on, then you would probably agree with it. If you have any question about these principles, then may I recommend a book, The 5000 Year Leap.

Time to stop - my typing finger is getting sore. Have a pleasant day.

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Artemis

This is confusing on who is who in this post

Artemis

What I can say about Jefferson is that he was a man of self reflection, keeping that in mind, he was a person of spiritual and intellectual growth...meaning that his line of thinking during the time of the revolution and his young age, had drastically changed over the years. In his contemplations he changed his viewpoints. His quotes may vary widely, one can say even to the extreme opposite on some issues. We see this on his feelings on the governments role in America and his conflict with party lines.

cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob

Jim Mathewson of Utah is a moderate Democrat . He might be a Dino? These labels that we so easily throw around,can be used against anyone we don't think fit nicely into our way of thinking a politician should be. Honestly, I wonder at times how Washington gets anything done,when they are arguing over who,s a what.

rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.

I'm looking over Glaucon's site. Actually it is no different than the political/general forum, except Glaucon has total and complete control of it. hmmmm

Serenity54321

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First of all I am an Independent and thus may be able to answer this question.

Any person who drops all intelligent debate and stubbornly holds a certain position is an extremist, left or right. Refusing to take personal accountability for an error made by oneself. Corrupt cover-ups of wrongdoings. Manipulating elections EITHER by gerrymandering or fraud are BOTH extremist, because they are both not playing fair. Examples on OPP: try having an intelligent debate with far-right black sheep. You can't. Try having an intelligent conversation with far-left BoJester. You can't. These would be two examples of extremists.

My problem with both conservatives and liberals are the same: corruption. Thus, I abandoned both parties.

Perhaps you would be right about an extreme liberal if there was no motive to sway voters, manipulate the economy, fund the government, or work in international affairs. Since all politicians must do these things, you will never have a politician from either side give all they have to the poor and live on the street.

rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.

OH my God, I've fell into the pit!!!!!! Get me out.....

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

Cuomo Said:
Republicans control the Senate ?? I Thought it was the House.

Surely he misspoke, because Democrats Always just misspeak.
Like 57 states, or I was for it before I was against it, or what difference does it make, or any time Biden or Dean open their mouths.

One can only be a true blockhead if one misspells a word, or Tina Fey says she can see Russia from her house. Or you happen to be tall enough to bonk your head on the door of a helicopter.

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

Maybe it's the proximity of Ellis Island, or the tenuring practices of Ivy League Universities.



No, It Isn't. Courts are to administer the law as written by the Legislatures, and signed by the Executive.

We are ALL able to discern the framer's Original Intent by picking up a copy of the Federalist Papers. It's Right there in plain language in the words of the framers themselves.
There are No 'Prenumbras' that need to be interpreted (or twisted on it's head).

Sam Alito Almost didn't get his appointment to the High Court because he belonged to a group that studied those Letters.

Sotomayor, on the other hand, was overturned almost unanimously during her confirmation hearings. And Obama declared Senate in recess (It wasn't) to avoid those types of embarrassments appointing Kagan.

Bush had an opportunity to make a recess appointment to the High Bench, but he didn't.
Personally, I would have been all over the chance to appoint ROBERT BORK. Nyuck, Nyuck.....

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

We could also use a 'Delete Post' function around here.

cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob

Why having second thoughts regarding your comments here? Ii would to if I posted those remarks. Think before hitting send...works wonders!!!

ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV

Use these 4 agreements before you post.
Maybe we should do that on a very contentious thread.

The Four Agreements

Be Impeccable with your word.
Speak with integrity. Say only what you mean. Avoid using the word to speak against yourself or gossip about others. Use the power of your word in the direction of truth and love.
Don’t take anything personally.
Nothing others do is because of you. What others say and do is a projection of their own reality, their own dreams. When you are immune to the opinions and actions of others, you won’t be the victim of needless suffering.
Don’t make assumptions.
Find the courage to ask questions and to express what you really want. Communicate with others as clearly as you can to avoid misunderstandings, sadness, and drama. With just this one agreement, you can completely transform your life.
Always do your best.
You best is going to change from moment to moment; it will be different when you are helthy as opposed to sick. Under any circumstances, simply do your best and you will avoid self-judgement, self abuse and regret.