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Jan 18, 2014 11:19:50   #
Glaucon
 
If you are tired and frustrated with the gibberish, absolutists, unsubstantiated assertions, insults, and rants that are unrelated to the topic of the thread, you may want to try a new thread the outline of which is stated below:

Understanding the politics of America's Right.

Title: Understanding the Politics of America's Political Right.

Purpose: To discuss and understand Republicans, conservatives, and right wing extremists, their values, motives, beliefs, and emotions.

Participant are from a variety of political points of view and interests.

Participation guide lines:

Keep it civil. Keep it relevant. Keep it clear. Keep it short. Keep it intelligent. Identify your assertions as fact or speculation. No typing in ALL-CAPS. And please read the article in its entirety before commenting. Note: Manager reserves the right to remove any post at any time.

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Jan 18, 2014 12:42:42   #
Randall_S Loc: Big Apple
 
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2014/01/gov-cuomo-says-extreme-conservatives-have-no-future-in-new-york

“They’re searching to define their soul,” Cuomo told host Susan Arbetter. “Is the Republican Party in this state a moderate party or is it an extreme conservative party. That is what they are trying to figure out.”

Cuomo seemed happy to inflame those tensions, noting more than once that it was moderate Republicans in the Senate who helped him approve an agenda that included gun control and gay marriage.

“Who are they?” Cuomo said about the Republicans. “Are they these extreme conservative, right to life, pro assault weapon, anti-gay? Is that who they are? Because if that’s who they are, and if they are the extreme conservatives, they have no place in the state of New York. Because that’s not who New Yorkers are. If they are moderate Republicans, like in the Senate right now, who control the Senate - moderate Republicans have a place in this state.”

Conservatives are now "extremists."

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Jan 18, 2014 21:09:09   #
Artemis
 
Randall_S wrote:
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2014/01/gov-cuomo-says-extreme-conservatives-have-no-future-in-new-york

“They’re searching to define their soul,” Cuomo told host Susan Arbetter. “Is the Republican Party in this state a moderate party or is it an extreme conservative party. That is what they are trying to figure out.”

Cuomo seemed happy to inflame those tensions, noting more than once that it was moderate Republicans in the Senate who helped him approve an agenda that included gun control and gay marriage.

“Who are they?” Cuomo said about the Republicans. “Are they these extreme conservative, right to life, pro assault weapon, anti-gay? Is that who they are? Because if that’s who they are, and if they are the extreme conservatives, they have no place in the state of New York. Because that’s not who New Yorkers are. If they are moderate Republicans, like in the Senate right now, who control the Senate - moderate Republicans have a place in this state.”

Conservatives are now "extremists."
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/201... (show quote)


Curious, why did you post this separate from the other post? It seems to be a good point to bridge for further discussion.

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Jan 18, 2014 22:41:10   #
Glaucon
 
Randall_S wrote:
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2014/01/gov-cuomo-says-extreme-conservatives-have-no-future-in-new-york

“They’re searching to define their soul,” Cuomo told host Susan Arbetter. “Is the Republican Party in this state a moderate party or is it an extreme conservative party. That is what they are trying to figure out.”

Cuomo seemed happy to inflame those tensions, noting more than once that it was moderate Republicans in the Senate who helped him approve an agenda that included gun control and gay marriage.

“Who are they?” Cuomo said about the Republicans. “Are they these extreme conservative, right to life, pro assault weapon, anti-gay? Is that who they are? Because if that’s who they are, and if they are the extreme conservatives, they have no place in the state of New York. Because that’s not who New Yorkers are. If they are moderate Republicans, like in the Senate right now, who control the Senate - moderate Republicans have a place in this state.”

Conservatives are now "extremists."
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/201... (show quote)
You say Cuomo said conservatives are "extremists and I have no idea what he meant on in what context he said it.

It would help me understand where you are going with this if you could make a couple of clear statements he made or you think he made and I will tell you if I agree with them. I am often opposed to things the Democratic party supports. If he said all conservatives are extremists, I would strongly disagree with him.

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Jan 18, 2014 23:05:18   #
Glaucon
 
Randall_S wrote:
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2014/01/gov-cuomo-says-extreme-conservatives-have-no-future-in-new-york

“They’re searching to define their soul,” Cuomo told host Susan Arbetter. “Is the Republican Party in this state a moderate party or is it an extreme conservative party. That is what they are trying to figure out.”

Cuomo seemed happy to inflame those tensions, noting more than once that it was moderate Republicans in the Senate who helped him approve an agenda that included gun control and gay marriage.

“Who are they?” Cuomo said about the Republicans. “Are they these extreme conservative, right to life, pro assault weapon, anti-gay? Is that who they are? Because if that’s who they are, and if they are the extreme conservatives, they have no place in the state of New York. Because that’s not who New Yorkers are. If they are moderate Republicans, like in the Senate right now, who control the Senate - moderate Republicans have a place in this state.”

Conservatives are now "extremists."
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/201... (show quote)


As we gather more participants, I would like to revisit a question I asked some time back: What would an extremist liberal believe and what would he do that that would identify him as an extremist liberal? I ask that question because if you think of an extreme liberal as being the opposite of an extremist right wing person, I don't think that person could survive in our culture. He would be a sucker for everyone who wanted to take advantage of him, he would give away all of his wealth to the less fortunate, and he would want to do away with the military, because he would trust everyone. That sounds like Jesus, but he would wind up in big trouble in our society. I have been faulted for suggesting there is not extremist left and, since I am unable to answer those two questions, I have to continue to believe that. Tell me why I am wrong.

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Jan 19, 2014 00:45:23   #
Randall_S Loc: Big Apple
 
Glaucon wrote:
You say Cuomo said conservatives are "extremists and I have no idea what he meant on in what context he said it.

It would help me understand where you are going with this if you could make a couple of clear statements he made or you think he made and I will tell you if I agree with them. I am often opposed to things the Democratic party supports. If he said all conservatives are extremists, I would strongly disagree with him.


There's a link. Open it and read it.

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Jan 19, 2014 10:12:23   #
Glaucon
 
Randall_S wrote:
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2014/01/gov-cuomo-says-extreme-conservatives-have-no-future-in-new-york

“They’re searching to define their soul,” Cuomo told host Susan Arbetter. “Is the Republican Party in this state a moderate party or is it an extreme conservative party. That is what they are trying to figure out.”

Cuomo seemed happy to inflame those tensions, noting more than once that it was moderate Republicans in the Senate who helped him approve an agenda that included gun control and gay marriage.

“Who are they?” Cuomo said about the Republicans. “Are they these extreme conservative, right to life, pro assault weapon, anti-gay? Is that who they are? Because if that’s who they are, and if they are the extreme conservatives, they have no place in the state of New York. Because that’s not who New Yorkers are. If they are moderate Republicans, like in the Senate right now, who control the Senate - moderate Republicans have a place in this state.”

Conservatives are now "extremists."
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/201... (show quote)


Cuomo has his opinions and is a politician who may be saying what he thinks the majority of voters want to hear. I don't know and I am unable to keep up on New York politics. The only the only thing I can say for sure is that I do not believe conservatives are necessarily "extremists."

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Jan 19, 2014 10:14:53   #
Glaucon
 
[quote=Randall_S]There's a link. Open it and read it.[/quote

I would rather get your message straight from you. However, if you think it is necessary for me to read the article in order to understand your point, let me know and I will read it.

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Jan 19, 2014 10:17:28   #
Glaucon
 
Randall_S wrote:
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2014/01/gov-cuomo-says-extreme-conservatives-have-no-future-in-new-york

“They’re searching to define their soul,” Cuomo told host Susan Arbetter. “Is the Republican Party in this state a moderate party or is it an extreme conservative party. That is what they are trying to figure out.”

Cuomo seemed happy to inflame those tensions, noting more than once that it was moderate Republicans in the Senate who helped him approve an agenda that included gun control and gay marriage.

“Who are they?” Cuomo said about the Republicans. “Are they these extreme conservative, right to life, pro assault weapon, anti-gay? Is that who they are? Because if that’s who they are, and if they are the extreme conservatives, they have no place in the state of New York. Because that’s not who New Yorkers are. If they are moderate Republicans, like in the Senate right now, who control the Senate - moderate Republicans have a place in this state.”

Conservatives are now "extremists."
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/201... (show quote)


Politicians are often happy to "inflame tensions."

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Jan 19, 2014 10:19:53   #
Glaucon
 
Glaucon wrote:
Politicians are often happy to "inflame tensions."


While we are on this, do you think there are right wing extremists? I have not gotten any responses to the question. what would a liberal extremist believe and what would his behavior be?

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Jan 19, 2014 13:34:26   #
Randall_S Loc: Big Apple
 
Glaucon wrote:
I would rather get your message straight from you. However, if you think it is necessary for me to read the article in order to understand your point, let me know and I will read it.


Why would you want the Governor's message straight from me? Isn't that asking for unnecessary translation?

I'll quote the late, great Bob Grant, who often said this about Mario Cuomo...

"Eh [Andy]! Azende me tuzu proveno SFACCIM!

And he is!"

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Jan 19, 2014 13:37:52   #
Randall_S Loc: Big Apple
 
The other thing I'll point out is the use of the word "extremist." Everybody knows that "extremist" is the new euphemism for "terrorist."

"Islamic extremists" and so forth.

So what's with this psychological associated with conservatives? What kind of sick party does that to its country?

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Jan 19, 2014 13:49:07   #
Randall_S Loc: Big Apple
 
This accusation that conservatives who are pro-life, pro-2nd amendment, and oppose redefining marriage are extremist reminds me of a joke I heard was told in Nazi Germany.

From "The Third Reich in Power" by Richard Evans

Yet it was the arbitrariness of the police and the defencelessness of those whom they arrested that struck people most. As another joke had it: ‘At the Belgian border crossing, huge numbers of rabbits appear one day and declare that they are political refugees. “The Gestapo wants to arrest all giraffes as enemies of the state.” - “But you’re not giraffes!” - “We know that, but try explaining that to the Gestapo!"

The Canadian Mounties at the border: "Why are all you Americans entering Manitoba all at once?"

The Conservatives: "Emir Barack is rounding up the extremists. We're seeking refuge in God's country!"

The Mounties: "But you're not extremists. I see no automatic weapons, IEDs, or satellite phones."

The Conservatives: "We know that, but tell it to DHS!"

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Jan 19, 2014 20:46:20   #
Glaucon
 
Randall_S wrote:
The other thing I'll point out is the use of the word "extremist." Everybody knows that "extremist" is the new euphemism for "terrorist."

"Islamic extremists" and so forth.

So what's with this psychological associated with conservatives? What kind of sick party does that to its country?


I had never heard that extremist is another word for terrorist. If everyone know, I have definitely been left out.

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Jan 19, 2014 22:05:32   #
Randall_S Loc: Big Apple
 
Glaucon wrote:
I had never heard that extremist is another word for terrorist. If everyone know, I have definitely been left out.


What can I tell you. You don't read the news.

http://guardianlv.com/2014/01/sochi-olympics-new-video-terrorist-threat-from-islamic-chechen-extremists/

http://guardianlv.com/2014/01/sochi-olympics-new-video-terrorist-threat-from-islamic-chechen-extremists/

http://pmnewsnigeria.com/2014/01/18/day-of-reckoning-for-extremist-islamic-judge/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/4/britain-eyes-new-powers-thwart-islamic-extremists/

http://www.newsweek.com/moderate-muslim-leaders-beat-extremists-75011

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/terror-surprise-sochi-olympics-purported-suicide-bombers-threat/story?id=21589469

In all, extremist is a euphemism for terrorist. Moreover...

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/10/23/Military-Training-Doc-Anti-Christian-SPLC-a-Trusted-Source-to-Define-Extremism

http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/u-s-military-taught-treat-christians-as-extremists-potential-terrorists/

http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2013/may/03/randy-forbes/forbes-says-army-training-program-listed-evangelic/

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/04/08/us_army_training_instructor_classifies_catholics_evangelicals_as_extremists_like_al_qaeda_hamas

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/24/exclusive-army-halts-training-program-that-labeled-christians-as-extremists/

http://thetruthwins.com/archives/8-examples-of-the-u-s-military-being-taught-to-treat-christians-as-extremists-and-potential-terrorists


Add in yourself, Chuck Schumer, and now Andrew Cuomo.

At the same time "Islamic extremist" has been adopted as a euphemism for terrorist, the US government has decided it's a good time to start labeling Christians "extremists." Schumer took the label to the Republican Party. And Andy Cuomo, the jackass he is, expanded it to include all pro-life, pro-2nd amendment, and pro-traditional marriage CONSERVATIVES.

Maybe you see a pattern emerging.

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