Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana

You missed Olsoljer's point in his reply . You know I can't remember seeing your name or picture in any news articles
rubbing elbows with all those people you know so well that are in the White House and pentagon .
I truly had a uncle who worked in the pentagon while he was in the Navy . Never heard any of these stories from him about people confiding in him ! It was pretty well secret then !

carolyn

Save your breath, bmac32. No matter how much you prove this jerk wrong, he will never admit it or stop twisting facts and lying through his teeth. He is a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat and cannot possibly be proven wrong. He takes that after his Lordship Obummer.

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

The Chief claims not to be a die hard democrat and most of that outfit is former government works who see this crap everyday.

carolyn

Again, I say that he is a die-hard Democrat and sees everything as being Democratically correct or nothing.

carolyn

But your uncle wasn't a certified waterlogged John Rambo and sea salt encrusted 007 master spy all rolled into one as was our very own Naval Warrant Officer Master Spy and Right-hand man to every president since Lincoln, was he?

RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC

You're such an ass, carolyn. I've never claimed to be any such thing. Your disdain for the military is d********g.

Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana

Yes you are right , I just can't stand by and do nothing !
He is a Marxist Democrat !

Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana

Oh , Oh , touched a sore spot !! Now you know how we feel ! And I think it was more pointed in your direction , not the whole military !

carolyn

You are wrong there. My disdain is for you, not the military. I think of you as a very small man who had to make the military a career to be able to finally work his way into browbeating poor little seamen who were merely trying to put in their time for financial help on their education. Most very small people are like that, I understand.

RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC

You have a whole littany of posts in which you disparage the military as a whole, not just me. If you're gonna say it, you need to own it.

Btw, you really, really don't have a clue about why people serve in the military, especially me.

carolyn

Oh but I believe I do have more than a clue as to why people like YOU make a career out of the military. And I do believe I have given this reason many times before.

Some men and women might make a career out of the military because of the retirement benefits that are offered, especially if they go in young and retire young enough so that they can enjoy retirement benefits at another job. But some find that the military meets their own life's expectations by giving them a chance to be big with the small-fry lesser grades under them. They find they are actually somebody, where in civilian life they were an absolute nobody who had their asses kicked at random.

I believe this last example was your sole reason for making a career out of the military. And I believe if a poll was taken of all the old time non-career military, my thoughts would be a majority, not a minority.

RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC

You really have no idea of what you are talking about, carolyn. I joined the Navy at the height of the Vietnam War, but, unbeknownst to me at the time, only shortly before we started to draw down. I wanted to do what I had seen a number of young men in my community do: fight for our country. I was only 17, but I had spent many hours talking with soldiers who had done their duty in Vietnam and returned home. People like you were spitting on them in airports, but I knew these guys personally and learned how the horrors of war they experienced while fulfilling their duty to their country had t***sformed them into better people. I wanted to be just like them. When I completed my "dream sheet" in boot camp, I put down only "haze grey and underway". I wanted to be involved as near to the action as I could get. It didn't turn out that way, but my career did take me to the apex of Navy leadership. When I attended a joint Army/Navy school at about the 7-yr point in my career, I had to fill out another "dream sheet". This time I put down that I wanted to go to the Pentagon and be part of the big picture. Turned out that I graduated first in my class, with a GPA that was the highest in the school's history. I earned my assignment as the personal admin assistant to the Vice Chief of Naval Operations, even more than I had imagined. That was the first of similar assignments I had during the remainder of my career. I had mapped out my career when I was age 17, at least about how long I wanted to stay and what rank I wanted to achieve, learning about what the requirements were for each grade. I figured I would retire with exactly 20 years of service on 30 May 1992 as an E9. As it turned out, I retired a month later than I had planned, on 1 July 1992, as a CWO2. Pretty close.

Your disdain for the military is mostly the result of your own ignorance, carolyn. You know nothing about the military. You didn't serve, and second-hand stories from your husband and sons about their brief stints in the military hardly make you any kind of an expert, and if it gives you any knowledge at all, it would be about single-termers, not careerists.

You know nothing, carolyn, especially nothing about me, but thanks to your nasty disposition, you have told everyone here plenty about yourself. If one were to follow all of the exchanges between us back to the beginning, they would see that I tried to be genuinely helpful to you in explaining why there were differences in U.S. KIAs in Afghanistan between the Bush and Obama administrations. I even provided you with graphs showing the different force levels in Iraq and Afghanistan over the entire period of conflict. You could have accepted that information and used it in some way to further wh**ever argument you wanted to make, but you apparently felt embarrassed by how naive your position was and decided to vilify me. Not one of your fellow conservatives on this forum disagreed with me. You have been making up wild accusations about me and my career ever since - with absolutely nothing on which to base them. You have looked petty and foollish.

I do not have the time nor the desire to be as nasty as it would take to continue communicating with you. You're a d********g human being and an even more d********g woman. I can't imagine the kind of man that would be attracted to such a nasty person. You win the nastiness game you have been playing. I'm done with it. I expect that you will do as you always do...respond to this post with more scathing insults concocted entirely within your nasty imagination.

I don't care.

carolyn

You evidently do care or you would not take such exception to the t***h. And is it nastiness to be honest and t***hful? I know you could not be t***hful with your actual feelings as a career military man, but now that you are again in the real world, could you not just bend a little and allow your true feelings to escape once in awhile. It might do wonders for you to do this.

I was once told by a career military man that the military tried to completely break a person down and remake them in the military's idea of a good soldier. This also involved a certain amount of brainwashing that was inevitable to this remake. He said some succumbed to this brainwashing more so than others.So they must have done an excellent job on you for you to come back to civilian life and still be brainwashed to the point that you would believe the likes of Barack Obama is a patriotic president that has only the good of our country at heart.

Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana

Probably to keep out of jail in your case!!!

Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana

You know Carolyn , real military people who served in combat never , never talk about the military or what they did in the military . It wasn't a party and they might have had to k**l some other human being's . They don't brag and they don't even tell their family's about their service time.
My wife's brother was a helicopter gunner in the Vietnam war and had every medal there was except the Medal of honor , we never knew he had earned any medals until he died and we buried him with his medals pinned to his shirt !