INotbad480 wrote:
So if this MIT Professor debunks the Syrian gas, how much did Syria pay and train the children to act like they were having convultions. What I saw televised were children reacting to something horrible, and that can't be taught at the age they were.
This MIT Professor (?) just wanted to get himself in the news. He's probably working on a paper he wants to publish with his uneducated views.
I think you missed the point of what he was saying. He did not say that there was not a CW incident. What he was disputing was that it was caused by an airplane dropping a bomb. Re-listen to what he was saying.
There is much confusion on this issue. If it was Sarin gas, then the aid workers attending the victims would not be handling victims with their bare hands. They would need protective clothing. There is uncertainty as to whether the CW was Chlorine gas or some other mixture that may have been released by the Syrian air attack. Or, it could have been a false flag indicident caused by the rebels themselves, just like the 2013 attack that was originally attributed to Syria, and later blamed on the rebels. The point is, without a serious INDEPENDENT investigation, how can anyone claim to know the truth about how the incident occurred, and who was responsible.
The United Nations in a 2013 report confirms that Syrian opposition “rebels” (supported by Washington) “may have used chemical weapons against [Syrian] government forces.” http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2320223/UN-accuses-Syrian-rebels-carrying-sarin-gas-attacks-blamed-Assads-troops.html
"The supplies for these weapons appear to come from multiple sources. Before they were handed over to the U.S. military, rebel groups such as ISIS were able to capture stockpiles of chemical weapons from Syrian army depots. On July 9th, 2014, just weeks after the Syrian army's handover, The Guardian reported that ISIS had captured a massive former Iraqi chemical weapons facility northwest of Baghdad, confiscating over 2,500 degraded chemical rockets filled with sarin. Research has also led to speculation that ISIS and other rebel groups may have been able to access materials for chemical weapons stored by Muammar Gaddafi in Libya. In November 2016, The New York Times acknowledged that ISIS had used chemical arms at least 52 times in Syria and Iraq." http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-06/evidence-calls-western-narrative-about-syrian-chemical-incident-question
I'm with you all on dumping Ryan.
"Paul Ryan has a Cumulative Freedom Index Score of 58% by the New American Magazine--which offers one of the more accurate assessments of a congressman or senator’s voting record.
Ryan voted for TPA, the horrific jobs-killing NAFTA-type trade bill--also called Obamatrade. He voted for Country of Origin Labeling Amendments Act, which repealed the requirements for Country of Origin labeling (which keeps Americans in the dark about where their food is coming from) and ceded authority over food-related regulations to the World Trade Authority (WTO).
Ryan voted for the National Cybersecurity Protection Advancement Act (NCPA). Rep. Justin Amash (R-Michigan) rightly warned, “These bills violate the Fourth Amendment, override privacy laws, and give the government unwarranted access to the personal information of potentially millions of Americans.”
Paul Ryan voted against a bill that would have prevented U.S. taxpayer dollars from being given to “Syrian rebels.” Those Syrian rebels, of course, are ISIS terrorists. Ryan is simply another warmongering neocon like Dick Cheney, John Boehner, Lindsey Graham, and John McCain.
Ryan voted against a bill that would have prevented the further militarization of our local and State police agencies by prohibiting the U.S. military from supplying local police departments with combat military equipment, such as drones, armored vehicles, grenade launchers, and bombs. These military utensils are more fitted for the military occupation of a hostile territory--which apparently is the way Paul Ryan and his fellow liberal/neocons in Washington, D.C., must view the American homeland.
Paul Ryan voted against an amendment that would have prevented the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens. “Rep. Adam Smith (D-Wash.) introduced an amendment to prohibit the indefinite military detention of any person detained under the Authorization for the Use of Military Force authority in the United States, its territories, or possessions by providing immediate transfer to a trial and proceedings by a court. It also would strike language that would provide for mandatory military custody of covered parties."
Who trusts the U.S. government and American newsmedia nowadays? Only dupes possibly can. Just look at the recent history, for the evidence on that:
The U.S. Government and ‘news’media lied us into invading Iraq in 2003, and hid their coup that overthrew the democratically elected progressive government in Iran in 1953, and lied to say that the CIA wasn’t behind the overthrow and ’suicide' of Salvador Allende in Chile in 1973 — and now they’re lying us into war yet again, this war against Syria (where we, and our allied jihadists who are fighting to overthrow Assad, have already destroyed the lives of the people). It’s also a war against Syria’s defenders Iran and Russia, which war against Russia would be World War III — goodbye to all our dreams. And for what? All this destruction, for what? Will Trump actually take us that final mile, to Armageddon? He’s got a Congress and ‘news’media that are almost 100% supporting his reversal of his previous foreign policy by his outright bombing of Syria — bombing the government that’s fighting against the jihadists — exactly the opposite of what he had been promising to do when he was a candidate for the Presidency.
After these many decades of bloody shameful government, and ‘news’media American Establishment lies, who but an outright fool would trust them now, regarding Bashar al-Assad, Vladimir Putin, Syria, Iran, and Russia? Or: is it actually okay that only decades afterward is the truth being revealed to Americans, that America’s aristocracy and its agents had, decades earlier, perpetrated atrocities abroad (such as in Iran, Iraq, and Chile), and blamed the helpless victims for everything? Is it okay for the lies to be spread as ‘news’, at the time, and to become publicly known as having been lies, only decades afterward, when the history-books get written, and meanwhile for us to be voting for those thug-politicians all the while, whom the ‘news’media had deceived us into thinking to have been acceptable to lead us? This is ‘democracy’?
What about the assassinations of JFK, RFK, and MLK — and what about 9/11? Who but an idiot today would still trust the official story about those events? Who SHOULD trust them? Should you?
Now, regarding specifically the alleged sarin gas attack that was allegedly perpetrated by Bashar al-Assad, on 4 April 2017, and that the U.S. regime is now also alleging that Russia, meaning Vladimir Putin, approved: Is that just another in the long and sordid history of U.S. government and Establishment lies?
Let’s consider the evidence on this matter:
First, read this. Did you click onto the links wherever you had any questions about the authenticity of the evidence in that article? After having read that, do you still believe the official story regarding this gas-attack, which could get the U.S. military into war in the battlefields of Syria against the Syrian government, and against Russia?
And did you read the extensive evidence that the 21 August 2013 East Ghouta sarin gas attack which Obama had said crossed his ‘red line’, was actually a set-up job by the U.S. and allied governments working in conjunction with its jihadists in Syria to create a pretext for U.S. troops to help the jihadists to overthrow Assad? It all needs to be understood in the context of the underlying reasons behind the U.S. government’s longstanding campaign to overthrow and replace Syria’s government.
In any case, more and more evidence is coming to light which is inconsistent with the hypothesis that the Syrian government was behind the 4 April 2017 Syrian gas-attack, and that is consistent with the jihadists — the forces who are fighting against the government — being behind it.
The time when it’s excusable to be a dupe of the U.S. government and its ‘news’media (which are controlled by the same lying aristocracy that controls the top politicians) is long-since past. Americans now need to know our government’s ugly recent history, and to understand today’s ‘news’ in light of it.
Then read this, and decide whether or not you trust the Trump-regime's allegation that «Russians had foreknowledge of the chemical attack» and that «Russia’s goal was to cover up the Syrian government’s culpability for the chemical attack».
An American news-site about newsmedia headlined on April 11th, «Out of 47 Major Editorials on Trump’s Syria Strikes, Only One Opposed», and reported that, «Of the top 100 US newspapers, 47 ran editorials on President Donald Trump’s Syria airstrikes last week: 39 in favor, seven ambiguous and only one opposed to the military attack».
On April 10th, CBS News headlined «What Americans think about U.S. strike on Syria» and reported, «Fifty-seven percent of Americans approve of the airstrike against Syrian military targets — calling immoral the Syrian regime’s use of chemical weapons that led to the strike — but most are leery of any military involvement beyond airstrikes, a CBS News poll shows. President Trump’s overall approval rating edged up». Do those findings show an intelligent American public, or instead a mass of dupes?
On April 12th, Morning Consult bannered «Americans Trust Trump the Most to End Syrian Conflict». 57% trusted him to end it.
Here’s the actual background of the war in Syria — it’s the war that Trump is continuing and escalating, but which was previously Obama’s (and the Clintons’ and the Bushes’, and going all the way back to Truman’s) war, for pipelines to be built through Syria, to transport the Sauds’ (Saudi Arabia’s) oil, and the Thanis’ (Qatar’s) gas, into the world’s largest oil-and-gas market, the EU. The Sauds and the Thanis are the main funders of Al Qaeda, ISIS and other jihadist groups, and are also the main funders of the ‘moderate rebel forces’ (the Al-Qaeda-led forces) in Syria, and pay for the U.S.-made weapons that those jihadists (most of whom are foreigners imported into Syria, and all of whom are fundamentalist Sunnis, as are the Sauds and the Thanis) are using, to overthrow Assad’s government.
Then, consider this, the most authoritative analysis of all, of the White House’s ‘evidence’ regarding the April 4th Syrian gas-attack:
After detailed decimation of President Trump’s ‘intelligence’ ‘justifying’ his invasion of Syria, the MIT specialist on such intelligence-analysis, Dr. Theodore Postol, concludes:
I have worked with the intelligence community in the past, and I have grave concerns about the politicization of intelligence that seems to be occurring with more frequency in recent times – but I know that the intelligence community has highly capable analysts in it. And if those analysts were properly consulted about the claims in the White House document they would have not approved the document going forward.
I am available to expand on these comments substantially. I have only had a few hours to quickly review the alleged White House intelligence report. But a quick perusal shows without a lot of analysis that this report cannot be correct, and it also appears that this report was not properly vetted by the intelligence community.
This is a very serious matter.
President Obama was initially misinformed about supposed intelligence evidence that Syria was the perpetrator of the August 21, 2013 nerve agent attack in Damascus. This is a matter of public record.
President Obama stated that his initially false understanding was that the intelligence clearly showed that Syria was the source of the nerve agent attack. This false information was corrected when the then Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, interrupted the President while he was in an intelligence briefing. According to President Obama, Mr. Clapper told the President that the intelligence that Syria was the perpetrator of the attack was «not a slamdunk».
The question that needs to be answered by our nation is how was the president initially misled about such a profoundly important intelligence finding?
The U.S. ‘news’media hid from the public Dr. Postol’s disproof of the Obama regime’s still-continuing assertions that the 21 August 2013 sarin attack was from Syria’s government instead of from the ‘moderate rebels’ (jihadists) whom the U.S. supported. Will they hide from the U.S. public his disproof of the U.S. regime’s latest such scam backing the actual perpetrators of a war-crime — will they do now as they did then?
On 13 April 2017, I posted a news-report on the just-released detailed new investigation by Dr. Postol, of the April 4th Syrian gas-attack (linking, as I always do, to the original document), and submitted it to all of America’s large national-news media (and to most of the medium-sized and smaller ones, as well). I headlined it, «The Money-Quote from the Postol Report on the Recent Gas Attack in Syria». We shall see how many — if any — of the large ones do publish that news-report. (Just google the headline.) Nobody can say that America’s large ‘news’ organizations are simply ignorant of the reality on this vitally important matter.
Can anyone but a dupe be supporting Donald Trump, now? He may be a knowing and willing participant in these war-crimes, but among the American public, only dupes can still be supporting them in this decades-long effort by the U.S. aristocracy to overthrow the only person whom a majority of Syrians want to be their nation’s leader. The effort hasn’t succeeded, even after all of these decades trying, but is Trump really determined to be the person who would carry it to ‘victory’? How much would he want such a ‘victory’? Should the Americans who voted for him, view him, now, as a traitor, for having so quickly gone exactly against what he had promised when he campaigned for the Presidency? Certainly, he is a liar. But are his dupes remaining dupes? Time will provide the answer to that.
And, maybe, this time, Trump will offer a deal that can and will be rejected by everyone. Maybe his reach, finally, is exceeding his grasp.
The answer could come soon. But, clearly, the people who own America’s ‘news’media are almost 100% supportive of his 100% reversal on Syria, on Russia, and on World War III. And, the American public, if not as uniformly supportive of the American government’s war-crime — unprovoked invasion without even having provided any evidence to back up their asserted and by-now impossible-to-believe cause to invade, as America as the policeman, judge, jury, and executioner, for the entire world — are over 50% duped, even today, even after all those many decades of having been duped into invading countries that had never invaded us.
Regarding Syria, there is no way, now, that either side can back out and still keep its honor. For Russia, and for Syria, and for Iran, its honor is to never yield up its sovereignty. For the United States, its honor is: what is it? What it is, is to coerce the entire world to its aristocracy’s will, no matter what. That, today, is what remains, of America’s honor: international dictatorship, reigning through imposing fear worldwide.
Could this be the way to World War Three? Which side will back down? What if neither side will?
How does anybody make a deal with somebody like Hitler? WW III would be even worse than that — far worse. Is Trump like that? Is the aristocracy that he’s trying to please, so horrific as that? The evidence thus far is clearly yes. And, without a doubt, most Americans are their dupes (just like in 1933 Germany).
The American aristocracy, who are accustomed to winning, might feel that this is just another game, which they must, as always before, win. It’s actually no game at all; and, if they don’t cave soon, it’ll be lose-lose all around, even for the billionaires in their luxurious nuclear-proof bunkers, such as here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here. It’ll be all for naught, even for them — even for the super-dupers.
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/04/17/why-trusting-us-government-and-mainstream-media-makes-you-dupe.html
fullspinzoo wrote:
After watching Obama bloviate for 8 years with pure bullshit, we finally have a President who when drawing a line in the sand he ACTUALLY means it. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/videos/2017_04/the_rasmussen_minute_the_red_line_in_syria_is_now_for_real How far off the mark can you be? "I didn't set a red line, the world set a red line". My favorite line of BS from Obama (this week). No wonder Hillary thought she could get away with lying her a$$ off. We had just received 8 yrs. of this crap.
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Let me first say that I am not an Obama fan. I did not vote for him. But I must give credit where credit is due. Fullspinzoo faults Obama for not following thru with his "red line in the sand". But what if that "red line in the sand" was based upon faulty intelligence by warmongering neo-cons (remember the WMD's that Bush promised were there) tied in with the military industrial complex?
If they lied in 2013, what makes you think they would not try a repeat in 2017? "Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me"
{One smug CNN commentator pontificated, “we all know what happened in 2013,” a reference to the enduring conventional wisdom that an Aug. 21, 2013 sarin attack outside Damascus was carried out by the Assad government and that President Obama then failed to enforce his “red line” against chemical weapons use. This beloved groupthink survives even though evidence later showed the operation was carried out by rebels, most likely by Al Qaeda’s Nusra Front with help from Turkish intelligence, as investigative journalist Seymour Hersh reported and brave Turkish officials later confirmed.
But Official Washington’s resistance to reality was perhaps best demonstrated one year ago when The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg published a detailed article about Obama’s foreign policy that repeated the groupthink about Obama shrinking from his “red line” but included the disclosure that Director of National Intelligence James Clapper had informed the President that U.S. intelligence lacked any “slam dunk” evidence that Assad’s military was guilty.
One might normally think that such a warning from DNI Clapper would have spared Obama from the media’s judgment that he had chickened out, especially given the later evidence pointing the finger of blame at the rebels. After all, why should Obama have attacked the Syrian military and killed large numbers of soldiers and possibly civilians in retaliation for a crime that they had nothing to do with – and indeed an offense for which the Assad government was being framed? But Official Washington’s propaganda bubble is impervious to inconvenient reality.}
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/04/16/did-al-qaeda-fool-white-house-again.html
fullspinzoo wrote:
Very worthwhile take on the Syrian mission. http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/04/some_perspective_on_the_syria_strike.html
This article is incorrect in several assumptions. Number 1, it assumes that al-Assad used CW on a civilian population. I large number of our own intelligence analysts do not believe this theory. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-11/intelligence-and-military-sources-who-warned-about-wmd-lies-iraq-war-now-say-assad-d
It is also well known that the rebel forces had CW and used them in the past. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-11/intelligence-and-military-sources-who-warned-about-wmd-lies-iraq-war-now-say-assad-d
It is illogical that Assad would use them at the exact time that he has been winning the war against ISIS. Trump would be a fool if he did not know all these things. I am quite sure he is better informed that I am, and it is very obvious to me that this was either, one, this was a false flag by the rebels to entice Trump to take the action that he did, or two, it was as Assad and the Russians claim, the destruction of a rebel cache of CW's.
Therefore, the basic premise laid out in this article is incorrect, and the author does not acknowledge any of these points.
saltwind 78 wrote:
ACPS, Assad is worse than a tyrant. He is a mass murderer, that has used poison gas on his own people more than once. Just who voted him in? Is there a worse dictator in the world today? Maybe a couple are just as bad, but none worse. Why do so many rebels not affiliated with ISIS throw away their lives to get rid of him? Why doesn't he have elections? Why is Syria a one party system? Why does he connect with Iran and Russia? Why is the Baathist party a party run by minority religious sect of Islam?
You need to look for evidence on some other source than U-tube. Anybody can post anything on U-tube with no evidence. It is not a reliable source for any kind of research!
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Saltwind,
Have you listened to what members of the UN Peace Conference who have been to Syria have to say on the subject?
Published on Apr 5, 2017
This press conference went largely ignored by the world, as you will see in one shot later in the video (10:30) the audience is bare and miserable. Most journalists refused to attended the conference and listen to the truth.
https://youtu.be/lGq6aLTOF_I
Have you read the article in the Guardian stating that a recent poll (YouGov Siraj poll on Syria commissioned by The Doha Debates, funded by the Qatar Foundation) states that 55% of Syrians want al-Assad to stay, motivated by fear of a civil war. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda
How about this one:
The Inconvenient Truth: Assad’s Popularity Confounds NATO Propagandists
http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/06/25/the-unconvenient-truth-assads-popularity-confounds-nato-propagandists/
You ask a number of questions including "Why do so many rebels not affiliated with ISIS throw away their lives to get rid of him?" Answer, they are mercenaries recruited and paid by the Saudi's and other countries that have economic interests (gas and pipeline routes), and countries such as Israel and Turkey that covet Syrian territory and have security issues. Don't overlook the U.S. oil-and-gas industries, including pipelines (oilfield services) as well as marketing (Exxon, Halliburton, etc.). http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-10/competing-gas-pipelines-are-fueling-syrian-war-migrant-crisis