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Nov 24, 2013 08:24:27   #
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
The original Republican Party of Thomas Jefferson was founded in 1793. Jefferson was a Unitarian which in todays term means a liberal. The Republican Party has changed dramatically for the worse in the last two centuries, and Jefferson is spinning in his grave!


Do you know what Unitarianism is? You should read your articles before you post them and show your ass.

It has nothing to do with politics. It is a religion. :hunf:
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Nov 24, 2013 08:11:03   #
oldroy wrote:
Do any of those people ever recite the Pledge of Allegiance? If so they must be saying something about our flag and the Republic for which it stands. I am sure that many say that word and don't have any idea what they said. We did see a story about a high school out west where they hadn't said the Pledge in the school for 15 years so the word was only with them through junior high.


I ask 15 people at work last night if we were a democracy. 7 of the 15 got it right. amazing.
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Nov 23, 2013 18:19:57   #
alex wrote:
you trying to tell us that telling the truth will destroy someones creditably


thank you Alex. :thumbup:
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Nov 23, 2013 18:17:08   #
RetNavyCWO wrote:
And the republicans have tried to rule America, too. That's the way it works around here!

The statement that I thought was ridiculous was that democrats are trying to destroy the constitution and create a dictatorship. WTF?!


I will say this The Democrat Party started changing around 1900. The influence was from socialist. These people are in our congress in big numbers today. The Constitution is in the way of their agenda. Don't take my word for it look it up. I don't have time to post all that I have found. :lol:

Now with that said there have been some good Democrat Presidents like Truman and Kennedy who did not embrace the idea's of the Socialists.
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Nov 23, 2013 18:09:20   #
RetNavyCWO wrote:
I agree with both you and claytonln about PACs.

I'm hearing crickets on the topic of repealing the 16th Amendment, though. Does that mean that all of the conservatives on here disagree with Congressman Jim Bridenstine's proposal to do away with federal income taxes altogether? I'm curious to know how people think the government would be funded if were successful. Real estate taxes? Sales taxes?

Frankly, I don't think he is at all serious. It's just another typical Tea Party political-theater trick to solidify himself among his wacko-bird constituents. Kind of like how there were 40 meaningless bills proposed in the House to defund Obamacare just so Tea Party congressmen can put on their resumes that they voted against Obamacare.
I agree with both you and claytonln about PACs. br... (show quote)


I would repeal the 16th,17th,and 18th, amendments. :thumbup:

I just read a book "Extortion". It talks alot about pac's. IMO, they should be ban. Politician's are in constant fund raising mode. Once that money goes into a pac it can be funneled into personal accts.
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Nov 23, 2013 17:53:07   #
RetNavyCWO wrote:
I am no Tea Partier, but I subscribe to their newsletter to keep up with what they are all about, and they sold my email address to other wacko-bird organizations. Here's one I just got from AMERICAN LIBERTY PAC:

Dear Lover of Liberty,

You may recall conservative Congressman Jim Bridenstine. While Ted Cruz labored to Defund Obamacare in the Senate, Jim was working away, making a principled stand, in the House of Representatives.

Jim's a former Navy pilot and a liberty-loving conservative from Oklahoma. The RINO Establishment hates him -- John Boehner even threatened to primary him at the next election for standing with Ted Cruz.

But Jim's not scared of RINOs and now he's come up with a Bill that will send these Big Government fans and the tax'n'spend Democrats into a fury.

He's introduced a Bill to repeal the 16th Amendment

That's the one that allows the federal government to levy the income tax

The result of this repeal will be to eliminate personal and corporate income tax -- ALL OF IT -- as well as all estate and gift taxes, and taxes on investment earnings at the federal level.

<DONATION SOLICITATION OMITTED>

Just imagine if they weren't squeezing us what we could do with our money! And all the things we could stop the government wasting it on!

We all know that income tax discourages investment, innovation, risk-taking and job creation. It sends jobs overseas. It's complex to administer and supports thousands and thousands of bureaucrats. It applies rules differently to each one of us and is massively abused as a political weapon to suppress dissent.

And let's face it -- the IRS is an out of control agency with tentacles in everyone's lives. The Founding Fathers never intended for the government to be so intrusive.

Jim Bridenstine is RIGHT! It's time to end the IRS.

The 16th Amendment must be repealed and the IRS should be eliminated.

As Congressman Bridenstine says, "Viable alternative plans for raising revenue fairly to support constitutionally enumerated functions of the federal government have been proposed. As long as the 16th Amendment is in place and lobbyists dominate Washington, these alternatives will never be considered."

<DONATION SOLICITATION OMMITTED>

Did you know that next year federal government taxes work out at $29,673 each for full-time working Americans? That's more than many people even make!!!

All because of the ill-considered 16th Amendment which reads:

The Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

Translation: Congress has absolute power to levy income tax.

Let's end it. Let's get behind Jim and push for a constitutional amendment. It'll be hard but it's not impossible. An Amendment can be repealed by another Amendment, and just needs approval from three fourths of the states for ratification. It's doable if we fight.

Come! Join with me. There's revolution in the air. The Dems are weakened through the battering we're giving them on Obamacare, Benghazi, NSA spying, and all the other scandals. We can do this! We can eliminate federal taxation and put an end to the Internal Revenue Service.

<DONATION SOLICITATION OMMITTED>

Congressman Bridenstine wants me to reach out to the grassroots...

...because Congress listens to outraged citizens

Remember, when they fear for their seats -- they listen to us.

You must know I want you at my side. And I'm sure you realize that to reach out to millions of Americans, I'm going to need some financial help from patriotic Americans like you.

<DONATION SOLICITATION OMMITTED>

I have to warn you, this will be one helluva fight. The forces against us are amassing in frightening numbers, and they are gearing up to throw everything they've got at us.

This is not the time to cave in and yield to the Left's ultimate goal -- to make us another failed socialist state. We are AMERICA. We are Liberty's greatest, brightest hope. We are Ronald Reagan's "Shining city on the hill."

<DONATION SOLICITATION OMMITTED>

Thank you for supporting American Liberty PAC and joining our battle to Repeal the 16th Amendment.

Yours in Liberty

Adam Bitely
Executive Director
American Liberty PAC

<DONATION SOLICITATION OMMITTED>

P.S. I remember that Ronald Reagan once said: "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same."

<DONATION SOLICITATION OMMITTED>

I think they are as nucking futz as Cruz and Lee trying to repeal Obamacare! What do you think?

(I also think it is pretty heavy-handed solicitation, btw. And my inbox is filled with this tripe all the time!)
I am no Tea Partier, but I subscribe to their news... (show quote)


Both Party's solicit all the time
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Nov 23, 2013 17:36:14   #
cimiron wrote:
well hopefully you correct them )


Always. They don't like it either. :thumbup: :lol:
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Nov 23, 2013 17:21:40   #
cimiron wrote:
we are a republic, however sense the 1923, the democratic party has tried to rule America thanks to the people like Soros


It actually started with Woodrow Wilson. But, he pissed a lot of people off and the Dems were kept out till FDR.

Yup, always been a republic. But the democracy thing is pushed. By both sides I might add. It would amaze the number of people who think we are a democracy. I have ask people I work with and even some of the older people think we are a democracy. But the young kids all think we are a democracy.
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Nov 23, 2013 17:17:24   #
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
The original Republican Party of Thomas Jefferson was founded in 1793. Jefferson was a Unitarian which in todays term means a liberal. The Republican Party has changed dramatically for the worse in the last two centuries, and Jefferson is spinning in his grave!


You are a true idiot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic-Republican_Party

Now as for today's party's neither would resemble that party. If Jefferson were alive today he would probably be a Libertarian. Most historians refer to him as a republican.
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Nov 23, 2013 17:10:21   #
RetNavyCWO wrote:
You're the one making the claim! It is incumbent upon YOU to show the sources on which you base your claim.

["I think it has been the Democrat goal since early 1900's to destroy the constitution and make us a dictatorship."]

Nice try, though, at getting me to read every history book ever written trying to find "truth" that isn't there.

You said it. But you can't back it up. It's just a rant.


Oh and I didn't make any claim. I said "I think". And I was very calm as I am now when I typed it so, so much for a rant.
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Nov 23, 2013 17:00:03   #
RetNavyCWO wrote:
You're the one making the claim! It is incumbent upon YOU to show the sources on which you base your claim.

["I think it has been the Democrat goal since early 1900's to destroy the constitution and make us a dictatorship."]

Nice try, though, at getting me to read every history book ever written trying to find "truth" that isn't there.

You said it. But you can't back it up. It's just a rant.


If you haven't read them and did not write them then how do you know what the truth is? I guess your truth is what ever you want it to be.

I neither have time nor am I inclined to prove anything at all to you. You don't think it is possible then that is your problem. If you want that information then go look it up. If you don't want to believe it than don't worry about it.

Oh and you do not know me in anyway shape or form. I have read some of your posts in amazement. But I did not insult you did I? And I will say this how can you know what an Ass is if you yourself are not one?

Do you not know if we are a democracy?
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Nov 23, 2013 16:52:17   #
RetNavyCWO wrote:
I'm not being intolerant of an opposing viewpoint, I am ridiculing an ignorant ass for posting something as stupid as this:

"I think it has been the Democrat goal since early 1900's to destroy the constitution and make us a dictatorship."

That's just blatantly ridiculous!


Have you researched the Democrat Party since 1900? Especially since 1964? You think I am an Ass, that is up to you. But If I am right will you apologize? Will you be a big enough man to say YOU were wrong?

I will tell you. I am always researching and reading. Not all the conclusions I come to are totally correct. I am human as you are also. But, If I was you I wouldn't be feeling very smug. Every bubble bursts, and when this one does you will see.
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Nov 23, 2013 16:40:04   #
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
Democratic Republican Party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic-Republican_Party

True that the US is a Republic but only very few people refer to it as so, preferring the word Democracy! In other words you just wasted your time posting such a lengthy nonsensical post!


The fact is we are a Republic. Founded on republicanism, and republican idea's. So if you say anything differently you are either a liar or are stupid. So which is it?

And the name of your topic should be, "Democrats are destroying the Republic of America." You Dolt.
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Nov 23, 2013 16:28:30   #
RetNavyCWO wrote:
Wow! If ever there was a comment that would destroy a poster's credibility, this would be it!


then you should read history and what these clown's do and say. And I am not concerned with whether or not you think I am credible. The truth is the truth if you look you will find it.

simple question, Are we a democracy?
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Nov 23, 2013 16:12:58   #
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
Today's conservatives have little notion of what conservatism even is. They have been deceived by one of the greatest public relations campaign in human history. Only by analyzing this deception will it become possible to revive Democracy in the U.S.!


Tell me when we were ever a Democracy. You run your head and don't have a clue as to what your talking about. We have always been a republic. And God help us, we will stay a republic.

"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all" JFK

Democracy... while it lasts is more bloody than either aristocracy or monarchy. Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide.
John Adams
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Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.
Alexis de Tocqueville
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Democracy passes into despotism.
Plato

Article IV Section 4, of the Constitution "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion", the word Democracy is not mentioned in the Constitution at all. Madison warned us of the dangers of democracies with this quote, along with more warnings from others.

"Hence it is that democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and in general have been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths... A republic, by which I mean a government in which a scheme of representation takes place, opens a different prospect and promises the cure for which we are seeking." James Madison, Federalist Papers No. 10 (1787).
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" Ben Franklin

“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.” Thomas Jefferson

“Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” John Adams

“But government in which the majority rule in all cases can not be based on justice, even as far as men understand it.” Henry David Thoreau

Here Ray read something real instead of that fantasy bullshit you spew.
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