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Apr 27, 2014 09:47:08   #
no propaganda please wrote:
Yes, they are diametrically opposed. However, I think we have a solution for those who want the power to dictate our lives, with our having no say in the matter. Vote them out of office. Floyd sounds as if he wants a government that owns all and tells us all what do say, think and do. I prefer having control of my own life, and the ability to decide what I want to do with my time and money. I do not believe that makes me greedy.
By the way, I am a semi retired therapist who works with young teenage boys who have been molested. My goal in that is best said by one of the boys when he was talking about the man who molested him "He put a hole in my soul and all the happiness leaked out" My goal is to help him repair the hole as best as possible. since I am officially retired, I never charge for my services. I also work training therapy dogs to help in that work, which is time consuming but so satisfying. I am, however, a greedy conservative, so I guess by liberal standards, I will be going to hell ultimately. That is, if any of them believe in God.
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No I don't think that just because you are conservative that you are greedy. You sure don' show greed in the your interest in helping others.

I stated that the world belongs to the people. This means as a whole the people rule. To make things operate in the best interest of all Rights such as Property Rights are granted to some. With these rights come obligations to look out for the better interest of all.

Now tell me if this isn't the basis that this country was founded on you tell us all that this country was founded on fraud & that what is going on to day is just the way it was intended.
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Apr 27, 2014 09:29:43   #
rumitoid wrote:
It has been said that religion is more the invention of the greedy than the godly, for the wealthy need humble servants to quietly do their bidding and stay in their place. And all of Civilization does seem structured around power and money, the haves and have nots both pawns manipulated by these viral templates of desire that capture heart and soul. Few have the eyes to see this. The cure appears worse than the disease of those desires when first presented and not worth the risk, better the devil one knows than challenging the unknown.

I guess Francis of Assisi nailed it: "Preach the gospel everyday and when necessary use words." It would seem only by a spirit of action, being a living example, is the message.
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I agree that religion is used to keep the masses in line, so to speak.
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Apr 27, 2014 09:26:00   #
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
I don't want the government balancing how much people get.


So just how do we slow down what is taking place with more money in few hands & more power to those that use that money to get more money & power?

Is this something that you wish to see becoming more common?

Just where are we going to end up if this continues?

It seems to me with the way you look at it is that you want to continue towards that end.
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Apr 26, 2014 01:29:42   #
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
Yeah, I can see you are all about denying life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to whomever you deem "greedy."


I think you need to look back at things that lead to the founding of this Nation. Just what are those that have so much really lacking. What is so good in your eyes that they should have even more.

Just how much in how few hands would be the right balance in your eyes?
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Apr 25, 2014 19:18:08   #
engaged wrote:
Sorry to say, but this stream is sounding very one-sided to me.


I guess that that brings the question just what is the other side?
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Apr 25, 2014 19:10:36   #
Dave wrote:
I see the propaganda folks have succeeded with you - hard to believe anyone today thinks the government controls the rich and powerful while protecting the small guy, but many folks like you are that easily conned.


Some how you missed the point I was trying yo make.

It is the rich & powerful that control the government.

That they the powerful wish the government to be small & let them be free to use the market with complete freedom from any Obligations to see that The Rights of the people to Seek Life,Liberty & the Pursuit of Happiness are protected.
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Apr 25, 2014 18:56:41   #
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
A fundamental difference of opinion exists, here. In Great Britain and Europe, Asia, and Africa, what you say about the state owning is true. That doesn't mean the people everything in those places, only that the government in those places claims to own everything. This is not true in the USA. The fourth, fifth and tenth amendments to our constitution indicate the concept, held in this country, of "private property."

Private property is owned by an individual, not everybody or the state. Communism teaches that property is owned by everyone. Are you a communist?
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The land always belongs to the State. Just rights to the use of the land is granted. The rights to use the land comes with Obligations. When one fails to meet those Obligations the state has the right to revoke the rights.

What is the first or most important Obligation? It is to preserve "The rights of all people to Life, Liberty & the Pursuit of Happiness."

That was what this Country was founded on & these are the rights that must always be there for us.

But it is plain to me that many in this country feel that the course or path leading to the few using their Rights with out Obligations is the path they choose.

United We Stand Divided We Fall. It is all to clear that many have chosen to fall.

The support given to the few & denying many their basic rights is the problem we face.
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Apr 25, 2014 18:42:51   #
Constitutional libertarian wrote:
You are correct it is desire for more and more wealth that leads to many people doing harm to others. But when we covet our neighbors property, stealing it from him through the government isn't that just as bad as if you had taken it from him directly.

As for freedom it is a right of all men not something that can be of lesser or greater degrees.

And the state doesn't grant rights the people grant rights to the state not the other way around.


All people have a reasonable right:
"Right to Life, Liberty & The Pursuit of Happiness"

We hold these truth to be self evident.

No the people are the state & as such rights are granted to others & these rights have obligations. One of which is to see that the rights of all to have "The Right to Life, Liberty & The Pursuit of Happiness."

We the People In Order To Form A More Perfect Union Chose to Etc Etc.

Rights granted to others that have a better way to do things carries with it the Obligation to hold up the Principles this country was founded on.

It don't take the brightest of person to see that those with special rights are not holding up to their Obligations.

If you keep saying live by the Constitution this is the first thing one needs to live up to.
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Apr 25, 2014 12:42:16   #
Randall_S wrote:
I find the worst people are those who argue strictly based on emotion, and lack factual references. You can't have a political conversation with a hack for very long before you yourself end up sounding like a hack. Things that turn personal, when in fact the two people arguing have nothing to do with these situations first hand.
Case in point. Obama's cooperation with and encouragement of the Muslim Brotherhood. The facts are plain, they tell a consistent story of Obama pushing an Islamist agenda. The story is the same regarding Turkey, and Qatar, and Syria, and Egypt. At all times the administration has come down on the side of the Islamists.
Yet people absolutely freak out emotionally when you point this out, although it's documented in the most mainstream of sources.
What's the sense in arguing with someone who has immunized themselves to facts? There is no point. A hangover is more pleasant.
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We have two choices. We can seek understanding with others peacefully or we can use our might to get our way.

What is being over looked is that if some one ends up with a chance to become President in this Country there is strong support from people with power who lend their support to those chosen. Lets just say that there was this sort of support for Obama.

If you wish to get to the bottom of the issue you need to find out who & why this power has been lent to Obama. It is more than my & others votes have given.

Obama has been lent this power to do what those that lent him the power want.
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Apr 25, 2014 12:27:30   #
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
What do you mean by "greater" rights? I don't understand this concept of greater and lesser rights. Rights don't come in sizes. Everyone has the same rights, not everyone exercises their rights, but they all have the same rights.


Every thing belongs to every body. We call this the State or Nation. Under the State rights are granted for ownership.

The ownership of things are rights. There are obligations that come with those rights. The more you own the more rights you have THE MORE OBLIGATIONS YOU HAVE.

That is what is lost in what is going on in this country at this time, more so that ever in the past.
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Apr 25, 2014 12:21:06   #
Dave wrote:
Yes, smaller government will allow control over everything in the minds of those who have no idea what in the world is going on. Established Republicans and Democrats have been expanding government for years and using that increased power to sell even more - along comes someone who wants to reverse it - the establishment goes nuts telling the minimally informed that those are the ones to fear. Amazing how that works.


The sad thing about it is that the voices for smaller government come from those that wish to have freedom in the market place to avoid obligations to see a system:

"Of The People For The People By the People."

There are those that are for replacing that with:

"Of Me For Me By Me."
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Apr 25, 2014 12:07:30   #
Constitutional libertarian wrote:
Do you then believe that our elected officials should lead by example as well. Wether it be wealth, power or freedom all carry obligations.


Of course I do.

Every body would like to have a piece of the pie.

It is just how do you get to see that happening if only a few keep getting a bigger & bigger piece of the pie.

To many people feel that they need to get all they can.

By this happening there is less over all for every one.

But not to worry because if you have more all you need is to have more to be happy.

But not to worry because if you have less you deserve less.

Not the best way to put it but I hope that it makes sense of what is happening
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Apr 25, 2014 11:58:17   #
Old_Gringo wrote:
Do you not think it would be advantageous for the insurance companies to be able to sell their policies nationwide as opposed to being relegated to just a few states?

What would be the effect on automobile manufacturer's if they were only allowed to sell their autos in certain states?


Who really is going to state the real reason this is the way it is.

Of course some big companies would like this to happen but I feel that a lot of smaller companies like things the way they are.

With reinsurance that companies do with each other It may just mean they get more money out of the system over all.
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Apr 25, 2014 11:50:28   #
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
Would you mind expanding on the concept of greed?

The question, "What should be done with those that show the greatest greed?" Seems contrary to a desire for less greed in everyone, as the natural consequences of greed push a person out of circulation with their fellow man. They are obsessed with having and getting. They won't go fishing with us, or do anything with us. How, then, can we do anything with them, except obsess over having and obtaining?


Well for the most part it is about rights & obligations.

With greater rights come greater obligations.

To many fail to see that there are any obligations. It is all me & mine.

How we spend our money gives power to others. We need to do things smarter.
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Apr 25, 2014 11:40:20   #
Constitutional libertarian wrote:
But how do you justify supporting or getting along with others whose greed and need for power leads them to say or do whatever it takes to satisfy their addiction.


Well I make my living doing things for those that have become quite well off & have been a big help in that coming about.

They have reached a point in their lives that they have come to see that putting money back in to their holdings has helped them to keep getting more.

They have heard me say that it wasn't their money & they bought that message & by having been a bit less greedy they are doing quite well. And so have I.

I have a son who worked with me & has property & is doing well. I feel that he has bought in to the idea that it isn't his money & that if he keeps that in mind he will do just fine.

The basic idea is that rights have obligations. Take care of the obligations well & you can & will be rewarded well.

Too many think that all of the money is theirs & they have no need to take care of obligations. Just plain GREED.
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