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Dec 14, 2018 11:17:29   #
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The war on Christmas reached new heights
kemmer wrote:
Who says I practice such things "deserving of death"?!...

You're a practicing, and proud of it, homosexual.
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Dec 14, 2018 11:16:23   #
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The war on Christmas reached new heights
kemmer wrote:
Who says I practice such things "deserving of death"?! You've said some truly idiotic things before, but this wins the prize. Maybe you should move to Saudi Arabia where your beliefs are not that uncommon, and you could better satisfy your blood lust.

Of course your reprobate mind wouldn't understand. I was speaking of eternal death, not physical death.
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Dec 14, 2018 11:13:03   #
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The Surprising Sayings of Jesus Christ 'Many False Prophets Will Arise and Deceive Many'
Show me one TRUE Christian who has ever killed to prove they're right.


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Dec 14, 2018 11:04:32   #
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Purgatory: . . . What Protestant Fundamentalists Fail to Understand
Doc110 wrote:
mwdegutis,

We both think differently about what sin is and purification from sin.

mwdegutis, Let me try to explain our differences.

Yours is black and white, understanding of what sin is, and for the forgiveness of sins from the soul . . . and to attain entrance of heaven, free of sin.


Here are the differences . . .


A Catholic understanding of what sin is, and forgiveness of sin . . . which is to attain entrance of heaven is a black and white understanding, and and directly to God.

Which is an and or both, and the understanding of purification of sin and the taint of concupiscence of sin from the soul.


1. Do you understand the Catholic concept of veinal sins and mortal sins, which is a suffering of the soul ?

2. That these sins can be forgiven by a Catholic priest through reconciliation and directly to God. Catholics have a dual, both, and, forgiveness of sin.

And what a practicing Catholic will do to attain entrance in heaven, free of sin and a refined soul, free from the taint of sin and concupiscence.

3. Purgatory is a temporal-temporary destination for the soul, until the taint of sin, concupiscence of sin is purified and removed then attain heaven, pure from the taint of sin.


Not a difficult concept to understand.


4. Here is the distinct difference from Protestants, most often, only pray to God for removal of sins directly.

5. Protestants do not understand the concept of veinal sins and mortal sins and concupiscence of sin.

6. But Protestant Lutherans and Anglicans also go to Confession and to minister or pastor for forgiveness of sin.

7. So with-in Protestantism there are confessions and different ways to ask for forgiveness of sin.

8. In the Baptist tradition is the, Alter-Call to commit Jesus Christ and to ask for forgiveness of sin from the minister and the people present.


So there is a conundrum and differences. Between the Catholic Church and the Protestant church.

Remember that Jesus taught and instructed the apostles in the forgiveness of sin.

Jesus Appears to His Disciples and Gives them the Holy Spirit to Forgive Sin. John 20:19-23
19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”
20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.
21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.”
22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”


So confession-Reconciliation from sin is a grace a "Sacrament" that all humans persons can receive, the gift "Repentance from Sin" and "Penance for Forgiveness of Sin" by a Priest.


Protestants who do not practice confession-Reconciliation Sacrament from sin, do-not receive this gift of grace from God.

This is one more difference between Catholics, we have been practicing this forgiveness of sin and Sacrament of grace for 1,987 years.

Scriptural passages for confession-Reconciliation and for Purgatory.

Matthew 16:19
19 Peter, I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[d] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[e] loosed in heaven.”

Jesus Sends Out the Seventy-Two, Luke 10:1-23,
1 After this the Lord appointed seventy-two[a] others and sent them two by two ahead of him to every town and place where he was about to go.
2 He told them, “The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few. Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into his harvest field.
9 Heal the sick who are there and tell them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’
4. The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.”
5. He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
17 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you.
18 He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you.
20 However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.”
23 Then he turned to his disciples and said privately, “Blessed are the eyes that see what you see.

Every human person has the taint of sin and concupiscence, or the formality of God, and purity from sin.


Furnace of Divine Love: The Biblical Roots of Purgatory, by Thomas Smith
https://media.ascensionpress.com/2015/01/02/furnace-divine-love-biblical-roots-purgatory/

1. The Catechism of the Catholic Church
(CCC):

Defines purgatory as “a state of final purification after death and before entrance into heaven for those who died in God’s friendship.

But were only imperfectly purified; a final cleansing of human imperfection before one is able to enter the joy of heaven.”
(CCC, Glossary; see also CCC 1031, 1472). 


As believers in God’s merciful love, we should want to be purified of our sins and imperfections; in this sense, we should desire purgatory.
It is a state of hope, a furnace of divine love that purifies us so that we can be with God forever in heaven.

As C.S. Lewis, one of the great Christian apologist has said.
“Our souls demand purgatory, don’t they?”

Discussing Purgatory, (Revelation 21:27)
God is perfect; he is all holy. Nothing unclean can enter his presence


Discussing Purgatory, (Hebrews 12:14)
Therefore, we must be perfectly holy before we can enter heaven.


The Church has defined this state as “purgatory.”


Many Catholic Scripture scholars believe St. Paul is describing purgatory in his first letter to the Corinthians:
“According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master builder I laid a foundation, and another man is building upon it.
Let each man take care how he builds upon it.
For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw—each man’s work will become manifest;
For the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done.
Though we may strive to cooperate with God’s saving grace, most of us will die with imperfections and attachments to sin.

In St. Paul letter, discussing Purgatory (1 Corinthians 3:10-15)
If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.
If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.”


After speaking about building our lives on the foundation of Christ, Paul turns to our death, when all of our works will be revealed.

The term “the Day” speaks of our particular judgment after death.

In discussing Purgatory, (Hebrews 9:27).
This purification is described as a fire and our works as different building materials.
What is not worthy to be in God’s presence is burned away (like straw or wood), and what is valuable and eternal (like gold or silver) will not be consumed but refined by this purifying fire.


You can find similar images in other parts of the New Testament.

In Peters Epistle discussing Purgatory (1 Peter 1:7)
While there will be a kind of suffering or “fire,” the ultimate end is the person will be saved by it.
Understanding this purification of the soul after death is why we pray for the holy souls.

Praying for the dead was a practice we see in the Old Testament.
(2 Maccabees 12:38-46; Sirach 7:33)

Purgatory makes us perfect and from purification of sin and the taint of concupiscence of sin, to receive God’s love in heaven.


mwdegutis, do you see our Christian differences and what we believe about what sin is, and attaining entrance in heaven with our soul.
mwdegutis, br br We both think differently about ... (show quote)

Yes Doc, sin is black and white. There's no such thing as a "little bit" of sin. We are either for God or against Him. There's no middle of the road. And we are all condemned due to sin. The only just penalty for sin is death (Romans 6:23), not just physical death but eternal death (Revelation 20:11-15). Thankfully, sin has been crucified on the cross of Jesus, and now by faith in Jesus Christ as the Savior “we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace” (Ephesians 1:7).

I answered your question...now answer mine.
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Dec 14, 2018 09:16:33   #
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The Surprising Sayings of Jesus Christ 'Many False Prophets Will Arise and Deceive Many'
Bad Bob wrote:
Or Big Foot

Like the one you put in your mouth all the time?
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Dec 14, 2018 06:23:50   #
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Trump met with Cohen and Pecker to use Enquirer to squelch Playboy models story.
PeterS wrote:
So when Trump was claiming to know nothing about what Cohen and Pecker were doing he was lying as he was the one directing how the stories were to be squashed. Trumps only hope to avoid jail is if he is reelected and the statute of limitations runs out otherwise he is going to join Cohen in jail.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/13/donald-trump-attended-meeting-national-enquirer/2307069002/

WASHINGTON - President Donald Trump was in the room during negotiations with National Enquirer publisher David Pecker over how the tabloid could assist in quashing negative stories, according to media reports.

Trump was also in the room for an August 2015 meeting that included his former attorney Michael Cohen and Pecker discussing how his tabloid company, American Media Inc., could potentially assist Trump in his bid for president, according to the Wall Street Journal, NBC News and CNN.

Federal prosecutors in New York on Wednesday publicly announced a nonprosecution agreement with the company and included that Pecker, through the agreement, admitted that he offered to "help deal with negative stories about that presidential candidate's relationships with women by, among other things, assisting the campaign in identifying such stories so they could be purchased and their publication avoided."
So when Trump was claiming to know nothing about w... (show quote)

The National Enquirer?

According to media reports?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Dec 14, 2018 06:20:38   #
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For Professing Christians: We Should All Be Prepared for This Question
woodguru wrote:
When did it become a christian's place to pass judgement down on another person?

When did it become a sin as a christian to fail to pass down judgement on another person? You get into some really contradictory ground there when you as a christian start infringing on what another person does regardless of your beliefs.

So do you believe in "Do what thy wilt?"
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Dec 14, 2018 06:13:38   #
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The war on Christmas reached new heights
kemmer wrote:
Nah, says the one who’s a realist, not insecure about my belief in Christianity.

You're secure in your "Christianity"? And yet you "who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them."
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Dec 14, 2018 06:06:18   #
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Purgatory: . . . What Protestant Fundamentalists Fail to Understand
Doc110 wrote:
mwdegutis

I ask a question then you ask a question, or it's the end of the discussion, we don't start going off on tangents here.

You did not answer my question . . .

Or is that how you, want to play or end the Game.

I don't like coy or disingenuous people.

That's the game of life with other people, treat them fairly, and you get treated fairly, it's called reciprocity, or the Lord's Golden rule. . .


So where does the soul reside in the state of sin? There are only a few that get the v line to heaven . . .

Because I don't believe The Protestant theory.

Once saved, always saved. And you don't get a direct path to heaven.

Because we all sin.

Then where does the sinful soul reside ?

Because the soul needs to be purified ?

And here are examples of where the sinful soul resides ?

1.Gehenna,

2. Hell,

3. Hades,

4. The land Beyond,

5. Sheol,

6. Purgatory,

Once the sin has been purified from all taint of sin, then it goes to heaven or if the soul can't be purified it goes to hell, don't you agree ?


But where does the soul reside in the meantime, can't be heaven ?

Take your pick, provide biblical reference for your decision ?
mwdegutis br br I ask a question then you ask a q... (show quote)

I answered your question Doc. Eternal damnation. They will go to eternal damnation. And then I quoted Scripture to back it up.

Now answer mine. Does your belief in Purgatory mean that everyone eventually gets to heaven?
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Dec 13, 2018 21:34:15   #
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Purgatory: . . . What Protestant Fundamentalists Fail to Understand
Doc110 wrote:
Answer the Question first, then I will answer yours.


I assume that's how it should work mwdegutis

They will go to eternal damnation.

Revelation 21:8
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Matthew 25:46
“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Psalm 9:17
The wicked go down to the realm of the dead, all the nations that forget God.

2 Thessalonians 1:9
They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might

Matthew 13:50
And throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mark 9:43
If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.

Jude 1:7
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

Proverbs 15:24
The path of life leads upward for the prudent to keep them from going down to the realm of the dead.

Proverbs 23:14
Punish them with the rod and save them from death.

Matthew 13:42
They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:41
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Revelation 19:20
But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

Proverbs 15:11
Death and Destruction lie open before the LORD— how much more do human hearts!

2 Peter 2:4
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;

Revelation 20:13-14
The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Ezekiel 18:20
The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.

Don't give me a cut and paste novel in your reply Doc.
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Dec 13, 2018 21:21:47   #
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Purgatory: . . . What Protestant Fundamentalists Fail to Understand
Doc110 wrote:
Then where does the soul reside ?
in hell ?

Because the soul needs to be purified ?

And where is that state ?

Gehenna,

Hell,

Hades,

The land Beyond,

Sheol

Take your pick, provide biblical reference for your decision ?

Are you saying that everyone eventually gets to heaven?
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Dec 13, 2018 21:20:13   #
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For Professing Christians: We Should All Be Prepared for This Question
moldyoldy wrote:
When you pick and choose the sin that bothers you, that bothers me.

You said anything about picking and choosing? When people openly support sin, see nothing wrong with it, openly try to indoctrinate kids into it, and try to force me to accept it, I have a MAJOR problem with that.. And for your information Mr Smarty Pants, that's any sin.
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Dec 13, 2018 20:16:39   #
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Purgatory: . . . What Protestant Fundamentalists Fail to Understand
Doc110 wrote:
...Can a sinful soul, or an evil soul get into Heaven ?

Answer that Question . . . ?

Doc110

In that state, it is a unequivocal NO!
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Dec 13, 2018 20:08:21   #
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For Professing Christians: We Should All Be Prepared for This Question
moldyoldy wrote:
What are abominations according to the Bible?
The general meaning of the word "abomination" or abominable" in the Bible is: Something detestable, unlawful or repulsive. But if you think it is always the "other guy", read on...
Regarding the New Jerusalem the Bible says, "But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life." Rev. 21:27. Also Rev. 21:8 says, " But the cowardly, unbelieving, [some text adds "and sinners"], abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
The following is a list of things the Bible considers an abomination:
Unclean things (Lev. 7:21)
Customs of pagans (Lev. 18:30)
Idols (2 Chr. 15:8; 1 Pet. 4:3)
Sins of men (Ps. 14:1; 53:1)
Cheating (Mic. 6:10)
Lost souls (Rev. 21:8)
A froward man (perverse; one who turns aside (Pro. 3:32; 11:20)
A proud look (Pro. 6:16-17)
A lying tongue (Pro. 6:17; 12:22)
Hands that shed innocent blood ((Pro. 6:17)
A wicked scheming heart (Pro. 6:18)
Feet that are quick to sin (Pro. 6:18)
A false witness that speaks lies (Pro. 6:19)
A sower of discord (Pro. 6:19)
Wickedness (Pro. 8:7)
A false balance or scale (Pro. 11:1)
Sacrifices of the wicked (Pro. 15:8; 21:27)
The way of the wicked (Pro. 15:9)
The thoughts of the wicked (Pro. 15:26)
The proud of heart (Pro. 16:5)
Justifying the wicked (Pro. 17:15)
Condemning the just (Pro. 17:15)
Divers, dishonest weights (Pro. 20:10, 23)
Divers, dishonest measures (Pro. 20:10)
Refusing to hear the law (Pro. 28:9)
Prayers of the rebel (Pro. 28:9)
Eating flesh of peace offerings on the 3rd day (Lev. 7:18)
Some same sex acts (Lev. 18:22; 20:13; Dt. 23:18) See GayPrejudice.com
Taking ornaments from idols when being destroyed (Dt. 7:25-26)
Any Idolatrous practices (Dt. 12:31; 13:14; 17:4; 18:9; 20:18; 29:17)
Offering an imperfect animal to God as a sacrifice (Dt. 17:1)
Any traffic with demons (Dt. 18:7-12)
Wearing clothes of the opposite sex (Dt. 22:5) See GayPrejudice.com
Bringing the hire of a harlot or sodomite into God's house (Dt. 23:18)
Re-marriage of former companions (Dt. 24:1-4)
Cheating others (Dt. 25:13-16)
Making images/idols (Dt. 27:15)
Idols of Ammon (1 Ki. 11:5)
Idols of Moab (1 Ki. 11:7; 2 Ki. 11:13)
Idols of Zidon (2 Ki. 23:13)
Incense offered by hypocrites (Isa. 1:13)
Eating unclean things (Isa. 66:17)
Offering human sacrifices (Jer. 32:35)
Robbery (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Murder (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Adultery (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Oppression of others, particularly the poor or vulnerable (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Violence (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Breaking vows (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Lending with interest to a brother (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Lying with a menstruous woman (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Hardness of heart (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Injustice (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Worship of anti-Christ (Dan. 11:31; 12:11; Mt. 24:15; 2 Th. 2:4; Rev. 13)
Incest (Lev. 19: 6-30)
Things highly esteemed by man (Lk. 16:15)
Many other sins of the nations (Lev. 18: 26-29; Dt. 18: 9-12; 20:18; 29:17; 1 Ki. 14:24; 21:2, 11; 23:24; 2 Chr. 28:3; 33:2; 34:33; 36:14; Ezek. 7: 3-20; 8: 6-17; 16: 2-58; 20: 4-30; Rev. 17: 4-5)
It is abundantly clear from scripture that ALL SIN is considered an abomination by God. While one can debate degrees of seriousness and punishment for sin, it is clear that, according to the Bible, ALL sin is an abomination!
Also check out:

Is Gay Prejudice Taught In The Bible?

Tithing - Fact vs. Fiction

First Century Christianity

Richard Wayne Garganta
What are abominations according to the Bible? br T... (show quote)

What's your point of your cut and paste moldy? All sin is abominable? OK let's go with that. But much of the scripture you mention doesn't mention abomination. But I notice you didn't include practicing homosexuality which the Bible SPECIFICALLY mentions as an abomination in Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
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Dec 13, 2018 19:56:40   #
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The war on Christmas reached new heights
kemmer wrote:
Nay, we’re no longer ruled by fire and brimstone Bible thumpers.

Says the one with the reprobate mind.
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