astrolite

The trouble with bans is simple, the law abiding citizens are disarmed and the criminals have Carte Blanche. A field day, total immunity! The pols know better...they all have armed bodyguards, most paid for by OUR TAXES! The attitude is: I'm important, but the average citizen is expendable! Cops can murder anyone they want, with impunity! The prosecuters never bring charges! The judges consider themselves part of the brotherhood! The Just-us system is a CLOSED system! As far as "justice for all". Look how they tried to criminalize Zimmerman for defending himself from a Known Thug? Obama NEEDS race riots as an excuse for Martial law..thereby making himself president for life....the major change he promised!

snowbear37 Loc: MA.

The NRA is an organization that is entitled to it's opinions just like any other organization (be it conservative or liberal). Most people that dislike the NRA are people that are "anti-gun". The NRA advocates safety, background checks, and firearms education. Only fools believe that criminals will "dis-arm" themselves because the "law" says so. These same fools apparently believe that the only people that should own firearms are criminals. To think that honest, law-abiding citizens should not have a means of self-protection is not only foolish, but dangerous. It's not only criminals that are in the business of harming or abusing honest people, but now radical muslims are becoming more and more bold in terrorism in all countries. To say that law-abiding people should not have a means to protect themselves and just submit to criminals and terrorists is against any historical fact of how this country was founded. America became the greatest country on earth because we were a "free" society that was not afraid to stand up to "dictators" and anyone attempting to destroy our way of life. We have slowly become a country of "sheep being led to slaughter" because foolish people don't want to admit that there are "greedy", "evil" people in this country that want to harm those that won't fight back. If you're one of those people, good luck, you'll need it.

Loki Loc: Georgia

[quote=astrolite]Ya lo ciento, pero no yo comprende esta lingua, Digame en Ingles, por favor?[/quote

Lo siento es correcto.

hprinze Loc: Central Florida

First person singular -Yo no comprendo

hprinze Loc: Central Florida

Gross ignorance or blatant lies

astrolite

Sorry, I should correct my spelling and conjugation, but my idiom is correct!

Loki Loc: Georgia

No offense, but do you realize what you just said? You are dismayed by the shooting because of concealed carry bans, and the only way you can see to prevent violence is to ban concealed carry? One incident does not prove or disprove anything. According to the DOJ, (hardly a friend of gun owners) since the implementing of concealed carry laws, firearms crime has gone down nationally by around forty percent. The highest crime rates (with a couple of exceptions) remain places that stubbornly make it almost impossible to legally carry concealed.
In my state of GA, almost 400,000 CCPs have been issued. Less than 100 CCP holders have been convicted of a gun crime. This is a tiny, tiny fraction of one percent. In my county, since concealed carry has been enacted, the crime rate has plummeted, and we have an unusually high number of CCP holders. Using your logic, because people who carry illegally commit crimes, people who carry legally and don't commit crimes should be penalized. Let's take that a step further; I am a non drinker, would you ban me from driving because a drunk caused a traffic fatality? Your statement that the NRA does not support background checks is erroneous. The NRA was instrumental in getting the current system in place. This is the system that caught more than 40,000 people who tried to purchase handguns or other firearms illegally. By the way, the same Federal Law enforcement who supports strict gun control prosecuted less than 50 of the 40,000, and managed only 20 odd convictions. One more thing: Do not be misled by statistics; I have seen "murder" statistics which egregiously included all firearms deaths; including accident, suicide and lawful shootings, all lumped together to inflate numbers. Yes indeed, handgun bans work, just ask Chicago, where until recently, even possession of a handgun was banned. The highest handgun murder rate, by far, in the US. Those bans really work.

TheCracker

Just a point about the race of the shooter, and the rest of the story.

A shooting occured Sunday morning after a confrontation at the Pavonia PATH station in Jersey City.

The initial incident happened on a moving train and then spilled out onto the platform of the station.

The person behind the terror, police say, forced everyone to run for their lives. Tari Turpin... A BLACK MAN... allegedly pulled out a 9 mm glock, and started shooting on board the PATH train.

Diamond Drummer was the first victim; ...WHITE WOMAN... Eyewitness News reporter Kemberly Richardson spoke with the 24-year-old just hours after she'd been shot.

"I'm just drowsy and in pain," said Diamond.

Diamond was riding the train with her brother Antoine, Aubree Marshall and several other friends. ALL BLACK The train was pulling into the Newport station just after 5am. Turpin was sitting right next to Diamond.

"She said 'excuse me sir, you're bumping me', and he got upset," said the victim's mother, Dawn Watson-Drummer.

The group began arguing, and that is when Antoine said Turpin stood up and pulled out a gun.

"He pulled his gun out, cocked it, my son began negotiating with him," said Dawn.

Turpin was cooperative until Aubree said one last thing.

"He said, to him 'who pulls a gun on a girl, what kind of man pulls a gun on a girl'," adds Dawn.

Turpin then allegedly began firing his gun.

Aubree was hit with a bullet in his hand, while Diamond was shot in the ankle.

"As he was leaving, running away from the train, he shot back, and I was hit and so was my friend Aubree," says Diamond, "I wasn't necessarily afraid because I had no control either way."

Somehow, Turpin ended up shooting himself in the leg.

One shooter, breaking the law by carrying a concealed weapon.

Shooter was black. (He had the illegal gun)

Victims were white. (They were not carrying weapons)

Using Alicia's logic, it would appear we should outlaw blacks!

astrolite

You forgot the "children shot" Handgun Control, now calling itself "The Violence Policy Center" uses up to the age of 35 as "children" (sort of like Trevon?) so it can include all of the GANG KILLINGS! Liars do figure! And Lying is part of being a liberal!

TheCracker

As an aside. While researching the news on Channel 7 in NY I noticed this headline.

Morris County officials have announced the arrest of 22 people in an initiative to combat violent crime.

Anyone want to guess how many white people were on that list? Go ahead, make my day!

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

"Blatant lies" would be the correct answer.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

He draws, aims and , yet again, hits the bulls eye! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Excuse me, you just used an oxymoron, ie. "Alicia's logic". I am sure it was an error.

TheCracker

Well that was stupid of me..... I stand corrected and will modify my statement to "lack of logic"

Thanks. What would I do without you politely looking over my shoulder?.... Well, maybe not looking over my shoulder if I am standing since I am 6ft3In. Or at least the last time I checked. (GRIN)

cold iron Loc: White House

The NRA has nothing to do with ownership of fire arms. It's the constitution and the 2nd amendment. Our very smart founders did this to stop a tyrant of a government from taking over the everything (like what is going on right now) . Yeah, I know you left only brain people don't get it. The fact that more people die from knife and hammers means zip to you. It's the big bad gun that bad.

The United States is 3rd in Murders throughout the World.

But if you take out Chicago , Detroit , Washington DC and New Orleans , the United States is 4th from the bottom for Murders.

These 4 Cities also have the toughest Gun Control Laws in the United States .

ALL 4 are controlled by Democrats.

It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data – right?