robertv3

I agree about the health care part.

The part about "stupid people" is a more complex topic.

robertv3

Thank you for pointing out that "here is" a "basic disagreement".

Your post is very brief. You could be more precise. For example, when you say "Most Americans believe life is sacred", are you referring to "human life" only?

And then if you answer that question, there could be follow-up questions.

American Vet

Glad to hear that you think this is not "damage"....

Afghanistan debacle
southern border crisis
Rampant inflation
Ending our energy independence and made us beggars to OPEC
Attempting to cut parents out of the educational system: Ordering the DoJ to get inappropriately involved.
"Sanctuary Cities"
Defund the police
Believe the woman (unless she is accusing a democrat)
Creating "climate crisis"
Mishandled Ukrainian crisis
Cannot tell what a “woman” is

EmilyD

What part of "Most Americans believe life is sacred. Abortion is taking an innocent life." don't you understand? It's a pretty clear statement....no more words are needed for that point to be made, which is that life is sacred and abortion is taking that sacred life away. And of course it's human life that is being discussed here...did you think he meant a turtle...or a cat? Maybe have someone sit down and go over each word with you so you will understand better?

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

Sad but these folks think that this is Biden's best traits and proudly follow along !

Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.

For you it seems to be simple based on your belief. Others, with differing beliefs, not so much. "Most Americans believe life is sacred". That is true. The vast majority of Americans do believe this, yet, a majority of Americans, and in fact the vast majority of the world, still support some form of abortion. So that leads to the conclusion that the basic disagreement is not that "life is sacred". Rather the basic disagreement is when does a zygote, embryo or fetus become a life that is equal to the women baring it since they both share the same body. Some believe it is the moment of conception. Others not till birth. Some even believe that life starts before conception and others not until sometime after birth. The vast majority of people are somewhere in between.

It is only simple to you based on your own beliefs. 24 countries agree with you and have made abortions totally illegal. The majority of the entire world disagrees with you in some form.

NotBrainwashed

And I don't / won't read them because you have a real BAD habit of being WAY TOO VERBIOSE.
You take 100 words to describe what would normally take 15. We're not writing term papers here sonny.

BTW your version of "discussion" feels a LOT more like a LECTURE.

That's where I get the "talk down" point since I know a lot of profs who really believe they are smarter than everyone else cuz they aced some tests. They also tend to be the most idealistic naive people I know, with near ZERO practical knowledge.

I get the same vibe from you...

nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert

I know a guy like that. He can explain the whole mechanics of an internal combustion engine right down to valve timing changes as the RPM s increase. But he can't change a spark plug to save his life. Book learned is what he is.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

True~~ and neither right~~

American Vet

So many on the left keep saying the 'the majority' of Americans agree with them, why haven't they put forth a Constructional amendment to end all the problems?

EmilyD

Taking life away from a human being is not authorized by God for man. God gives us life, and He takes it away. No man has the "right" to supersede God. Ever. For any reason. Apparently, you who do not have faith in God seem to think taking on this decision to end a life is okay for you to rationalize by stating reason after reason why it should be okay to kill another human being. But for every single reason you give, the one thing that remains, that you want to "forget" is that the baby should not be held responsible for the adults' actions. The price of a life should never be for inconvenience, rape, incest or anything except danger to the mother's life. And I question even that as an excuse to kill a baby with its whole life ahead of it.

And in my opinion, it's just a matter of time before science and technology make it possible to see without doubt that life begins at the time of conception - fertilization. We're almost there...so far, this is what scientists are seeing now: During the first 24 hours, once the sperm and egg bind to each other, the membranes of these two cells fuse, creating in less than a second a single hybrid cell: the zygote, or one-cell embryo. To protect his or her bodily integrity, within minutes the zygote initiates changes in its ionic composition, releasing zinc in a spark that induces “egg activation,” first modifying the surrounding zona pellucida blocking further sperm binding to the cell surface. Cooperation between sperm and egg components to achieve replication of DNA, cell division, and growth occurs as maternally (mother) and paternally (father) derived factors in the zygote begin interacting with and chemically modifying each other to initiate the final round of meiotic division in the maternally derived nucleus to enable DNA replication.

That is within 24 hours of fertilization....but they're looking at even those 24 hours in an effort to see deeper into the cells and their immediate activity upon that fertilization. It won't be long before this argument about when life begins will be settled by science.

EmilyD

Sorry...double post.

Mikeyavelli

Sounds about right, but what does a lefty know about heterosexual sex? It doesn't exist for them.
Rubbers are for Aids safety, like in lefty sex, whatever that is for the moment.

American Vet

Mikeyavelli

I asked a lefty if he knew that every condom has a serial number.
He said no.
I guess lefties don't have to roll them down that far.