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Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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Floyd, I don't understand what you are asking me. Please re-word and add a little explanation, please.

If you are asking who I extend individual sovereignty to, my answer is: to EVERYONE. Everyone should be his own person, not someone else's person to rule.

Singularity

The tricky questions come up when one persons sovereignty conflicts with another's. Who decides when one persons perfect right conflicts with another persons perfect right. That is the crux of a moral dilemna.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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Obviously that would happen from time to time. However, if all concerned understood individual sovereignty, they would stay out of other people's business. They would abide by the sovereignty philosophy which would be: you leave MY things alone. That includes my home, my property, my car, my family, my business, my health, my everything. My sovereignty supercedes the state. Your sovereignty supercedes the state. The state exists because man says it does. I exist because my creator says I do. The two are not equal and I am not inferior to that which exists only because man says it exists.

If I feel cheated by anyone, I should have the prerogative of solving that problem, between me and the other sovereign person. WE would solve our problems, the government would have no say in the matter. If I wanted to grow hogs and my neighbor didn't want me to, we would solve the problem, the government wouldn't.

I realize this is not the well thought out explanation of individual sovereignty because it is off the cuff. Later, if anyone needs or wants more real information, I'll have links to smarter people than I am.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

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Singularity

I'm thinking, like...
Plane crash survivors. Enough food in the wrecked galley/kitchen of the plane, (No other food from any source, no wildlife on the deserted island) for one person to survive a week. Two could make it four days. Its uncertain when help will arrive... four or five days.... two weeks. How do they work out who gets how much to eat and when?

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

I would say the courts are full of cases that sovereign people have not resolved.

There needs to be a set of laws or rules that have to be laid down in resolving these issues. You & I may disagree on this forum. but I have faith in both of us that we would for the most part get along in most face to face situations.

But as to you having hogs I would draw the line before the smell gets to strong.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

One can survive for two weeks without food, but never without water. Possibly 4-5 days without water depending on the clime, but not much longer than that. You would become delirious, among other things.

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

How bout folks building around hog farms that were out in the middle of no where then wanting to shut down said farms due to smell !

Many courts have thrown these lawsuits out due to the hog farms being there first and if they didn't like the smell of hogs then why build next door to them !

Singularity

OK. Sighhhhhh. :wink: Right. Didnt think it through. Change scenery: plane crash over the ocean. Two persons stuck in rubber boat. No food or water... Can ya work with me here on the issue of perfect rights competing and take it as a given these guys have no alternate supply possibilities. Resources may/will not last long and much shorter if shared? Rescue date if ever, uncertain, but unknown to the survivors.

Be back in a few. I'm hungry for lunch.

One consideration: Human beings can get testy and irrational when hungry and threatened. May not think or act rationally. Can you trust this guy you just met?

Secret Alchemist Loc: Carthage, TX

What about a person who doesn't compete for any rights? How would they logically determine the most beneficial distribution of resources?

Singularity

Right, and relating to forum topic, apropos as the fetus in the womb, it is not able to be competitive. I'd like to go back to how to decide if equal parties have equal but mutually exclusive rights. When parties are unequal, and or rights in question are not equally compelling, a sense of fairness relating the scale and balancing is somewhat more clearcut.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

Floyd, I envision working things out between the people involved. You steal my cow, I will demand payment. If you don't have the money, we can negotiate what you can give me in exchange for my cow, etc. No need for courts, lawyers, judges, or most laws.

Neal

OK Had enough, that's what you BELIEVE. YOU shouldn't have an abortion :!:

The really critical question here is:
Are you sensible enough to allow others to act in accordance with their beliefs?

Singularity

Ok. That worked out well! Now, what if instead of nice, reasonable Floyd, you were dealing with an a**hole a whole lot bigger and meaner who didn't care what you want or need. And he had a lot of like minded buddies with guns and knives? And all they will give you for your cow is a hard time?