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Jun 25, 2019 22:00:08   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
Morgan wrote:
Since you don't have that argument correct and have proven yourself an ass, let me ask you this since you brought it up.

Tell me, was China under Mao, ruled as an authoritarian ruler? The answer is yes. Otherwise known pretty much known as a dictator, who forced communism onto China. Ahhh, but they were considered a "Republic" weren't they, The Republic of China. Just as Russia claims to be a republic under Putin. You see where I'm going with this? Nah, probably not, your too much of the blind fool being led.

We are not safe from an overthrow, if the laws of our constitution are not enforced, as we're seeing now with the known assumption that the Senate would refuse to impeach a corrupt president. They are corrupt in putting party before country. That's on the right, not the left. It is on all of YOU! If this country falls to a fascist dictator.
Since you don't have that argument correct and hav... (show quote)



If you are concerned about an overthrow, maybe you should start looking in the direction it is most likely to come from. You libs seem to get everything backward.

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Jun 25, 2019 23:07:36   #
rumitoid
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
If you are concerned about an overthrow, maybe you should start looking in the direction it is most likely to come from. You libs seem to get everything backward.


And the collusion in Oregon with Right Wing Militia groups and the GOP? Coincidence? What direction does that give you?

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Jun 25, 2019 23:13:03   #
Seth
 
rumitoid wrote:
And the collusion in Oregon with Right Wing Militia groups and the GOP? Coincidence? What direction does that give you?


Question: if the Son of Sam was a Democrat, does that make all Democrats serial killers?

What about Charles Manson? He didn't seem much like a Republican to me. Bet he was a "liberal." So are all liberals like Charles Manson?

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Jun 25, 2019 23:29:26   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
rumitoid wrote:
Federally mandated background checks for all purchases of guns, with a minimum of 2 weeks waiting period. A Federal agency, properly funded and staffed, to process these purchases and maintain records on those considered a threat, the dangerously mentally ill and domestic abusers. Also tracking those on the no-fly list as suspected terrorists. No assault rifles and magazines over 10 rounds. Strict training in the use and proper storage of a firearm, so that 4 kids a day are not killed. The stats: Nearly 1300 children die and 5790 are treated for gunshot wounds each year. The South is the biggest offender.
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Ever hear of Haynes v US 1968? I didn't think so. Criminals cannot be prosecuted for failure to register guns or failure to submit to a background check. The people who would obey this law are the ones who would not be committing a crime, background check or not.
Mentally ill and domestic abusers are already prohibited, not that it would make a spit's worth of difference in preventing them from obtaining a gun.
Assault rifles have been heavily regulated since 1986. Oh, you mean semi auto rifles. You mean the ones that are responsible for nearly one percent of the murders per year? That's telling 'em. No magazines over ten rounds? What good will that do? I can change a magazine in less than three seconds. So can almost anyone with a little practice, and the lower capacity magazines are less likely to malfunction. If I was going to commit a mass shooting I would pick a place full of people like you, and small capacity mags would be my choice to reduce the chance of mechanical failure.
There are already excellent programs on firearms safety available. Most are taught by the NRA. The Boy Scouts, who have declined in popularity since openly gay behavior was foisted on them as appropriate, still teaches safe gun handling.

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Jun 26, 2019 03:20:56   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
rumitoid wrote:
Federally mandated background checks for all purchases of guns, with a minimum of 2 weeks waiting period. A Federal agency, properly funded and staffed, to process these purchases and maintain records on those considered a threat, the dangerously mentally ill and domestic abusers. Also tracking those on the no-fly list as suspected terrorists. No assault rifles and magazines over 10 rounds. Strict training in the use and proper storage of a firearm, so that 4 kids a day are not killed. The stats: Nearly 1300 children die and 5790 are treated for gunshot wounds each year. The South is the biggest offender.
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You tried to answer one question of the four I asked you. Another Federal Agency (besides ATF) to be added to the bureaucracy is what you want? They can't correctly do many of the things they are charged with doing. Several of the things you listed, mandated background checks, a two-week waiting period, ten-round magazines, are already law in many places. Additionally, guns must be stored securely, domestic abusers cannot purchase guns and all the other regulations you want are already the law in many states, yet have done nothing to curb accidental and deliberate gun deaths. Chicago has some of the toughest gun control laws and the murder rate increases. CA even has prohibited Police officers, trained in the use of firearms, from working if they have been convicted of domestic abuse.

Here is the real problem. You want a utopia, and that is impossible to achieve.

So-called gun-free zones invite the nuts. It is like an open invitation. Concealed carry, especially when people don't know who is carrying, curbs gun violence. The synagogue in Poway CA that had one casualty could have been another bloodbath if it hadn't been for the off-duty CBP officer who had his service weapon with him. But your precious media with their gun control agenda doesn't like to report these facts because it goes against the narrative of the left. We are never going to get rid of all guns. If it isn't guns it will be something else. A border patrol officer was hit in the head, this week in San Diego, by a rock thrown through the patrol car door window. England wants to make all knives have blunt ends. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and every other despot, when to came to power, confiscated guns. You are so worried about following the constitution and afraid that Trump will be a fascist dictator. Yet the second amendment is one of the best protections we have against that happening. Leftist never think things through. And like everything else in life, there are tradeoffs. Liberty comes only to those who want it. People willing to sacrifice liberty for safety usually end up with neither.

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Jun 26, 2019 10:44:39   #
Iliamna1
 
dtucker300 wrote:
You tried to answer one question of the four I asked you. Another Federal Agency (besides ATF) to be added to the bureaucracy is what you want? They can't correctly do many of the things they are charged with doing. Several of the things you listed, mandated background checks, a two-week waiting period, ten-round magazines, are already law in many places. Additionally, guns must be stored securely, domestic abusers cannot purchase guns and all the other regulations you want are already the law in many states, yet have done nothing to curb accidental and deliberate gun deaths. Chicago has some of the toughest gun control laws and the murder rate increases. CA even has prohibited Police officers, trained in the use of firearms, from working if they have been convicted of domestic abuse.

Here is the real problem. You want a utopia, and that is impossible to achieve.

So-called gun-free zones invite the nuts. It is like an open invitation. Concealed carry, especially when people don't know who is carrying, curbs gun violence. The synagogue in Poway CA that had one casualty could have been another bloodbath if it hadn't been for the off-duty CBP officer who had his service weapon with him. But your precious media with their gun control agenda doesn't like to report these facts because it goes against the narrative of the left. We are never going to get rid of all guns. If it isn't guns it will be something else. A border patrol officer was hit in the head, this week in San Diego, by a rock thrown through the patrol car door window. England wants to make all knives have blunt ends. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and every other despot, when to came to power, confiscated guns. You are so worried about following the constitution and afraid that Trump will be a fascist dictator. Yet the second amendment is one of the best protections we have against that happening. Leftist never think things through. And like everything else in life, there are tradeoffs. Liberty comes only to those who want it. People willing to sacrifice liberty for safety usually end up with neither.
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Truth is truth. Great post.

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Jun 26, 2019 16:50:05   #
Morgan
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Everything changes, it is the one constant you can count on. However, not every change is progress (advancement, development, betterment, achievement, improvement).

You want a definition of progress when you should ask yourself what inevitable means.


Are you starting to be nasty for no apparent reason? I just want to know before I answer appropriately to your tone and make a proper response in turn.

I also didn't ask for "a" definition of the word, I wanted to know how you viewed it, I thought I made that perfectly clear, with a parenthesis around the word "your".

I agree, change does not have to mean moving forward, we see it all the time.

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Jun 26, 2019 17:00:30   #
Rose42
 
Morgan wrote:
I see another person preaching the "Good Book" and in this book is the loving quote I am positive by a loving God, who created man in the image of himself, supposedly... believes this..."The heart of man is desperately wicked."

Um no, I don't buy it.

Then says..."Who can know it? " That coming from an all-knowing God... Really? Reason like this is what loses credibility that the book was ever written by God through men, no, it was simply written by men.
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In His image doesn’t mean He created man to be like He is. That verse about the heart being wicked is for us not Him.

It makes sense. Man’s nature is to rebel against God.

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Jun 26, 2019 17:25:30   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Morgan wrote:
Are you starting to be nasty for no apparent reason? I just want to know before I answer appropriately to your tone and make a proper response in turn.

I also didn't ask for "a" definition of the word, I wanted to know how you viewed it, I thought I made that perfectly clear, with a parenthesis around the word "your".

I agree, change does not have to mean moving forward, we see it all the time.


I think the reason is quite apparent to anyone who has read these posts. You accuse me of being a ERWNJ. Semantics: "I also didn't ask for "a" definition of the word, I wanted to know how you viewed it, I thought I made that perfectly clear, with a parenthesis around the word "your"; therefore, I provided you with a definition because you asked.

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Jun 26, 2019 17:34:19   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Morgan wrote:
Are you starting to be nasty for no apparent reason? I just want to know before I answer appropriately to your tone and make a proper response in turn.

I also didn't ask for "a" definition of the word, I wanted to know how you viewed it, I thought I made that perfectly clear, with a parenthesis around the word "your".

I agree, change does not have to mean moving forward, we see it all the time.


I'm not right-wing. You need to learn better critical reading. You agree on the obvious and disregard the rest. I gave you a definition based on my viewpoint because you asked. So yes, you did ask for a definition regardless of whatever Orwellian word-play you want to use to deny it.

What makes you think all progress is good?

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Jun 26, 2019 18:27:23   #
Morgan
 
dtucker300 wrote:
I think the reason is quite apparent to anyone who has read these posts. You accuse me of being a ERWNJ. Semantics: "I also didn't ask for "a" definition of the word, I wanted to know how you viewed it, I thought I made that perfectly clear, with a parenthesis around the word "your"; therefore, I provided you with a definition because you asked.


I accused you of being a ERWNJ, really, how so? That somehow passed right by me. You're really dancing around answering this simple question, why? All I'm trying to do here is to see if we're both on the same page on how it is defined.

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Jun 26, 2019 18:40:28   #
Morgan
 
dtucker300 wrote:
I'm not right-wing. You need to learn better critical reading. You agree on the obvious and disregard the rest. I gave you a definition based on my viewpoint because you asked. So yes, you did ask for a definition regardless of whatever Orwellian word-play you want to use to deny it.

What makes you think all progress is good?


Where did I say all progress was good? I don't assume such things or talk like that.

I absolutely love it when someone tells me what I should do, as if they are some kind of authority, especially one over me. My critical reading or analysis is perfectly fine, I think better than yours.

Really that was "your" viewpoint, why did it read like a definition right out of a book?

Your very overly cautious and very suspicious of my intentions, I'm not out to get you, funny you think that way, is that what you do, try and get people?

You see, when people put things in their own words, it leans more towards their true feelings with some slight differences from an academic definition, which is why I asked.

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Jun 26, 2019 18:44:10   #
Morgan
 
Rose42 wrote:
In His image doesn’t mean He created man to be like He is. That verse about the heart being wicked is for us not Him.

It makes sense. Man’s nature is to rebel against God.


Then what do "you think" created in his image means?

Oh, that is "for" us, and in what way?

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Jun 26, 2019 18:46:59   #
Morgan
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
If you are concerned about an overthrow, maybe you should start looking in the direction it is most likely to come from. You libs seem to get everything backward.


Not backwards, dead on.

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Jun 26, 2019 19:01:13   #
Morgan
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Do you consider yourself a Progressive? If so, what are you trying to progress?


Missed this, I consider myself free to choose issue by issue, some coincide with progressive views, while others do not, they are more conservative. For the most part, learning from the past helps us change for the better for the future.

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