Will Those Who Say Catholics Are Going to Hell, Go to Hell?
Apr 13, 2018 09:22:49 #
Jesus said, "It is finished (Tetelestai)." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit. (Tetelestai comes from the verb teleo, which means "to bring to an end, to complete, to accomplish."
Of the last sayings of Christ on the cross, none is more important or more poignant than, “It is finished.” Found only in the Gospel of John, the Greek word translated “it is finished” is tetelestai, an accounting term that means “paid in full.”
When Jesus uttered those words, He was declaring the debt owed to His Father was wiped away completely and forever. Not that Jesus wiped away any debt that He owed to the Father; rather, Jesus eliminated the debt owed by mankind - the debt of sin.
pafret,
I am pleased to inform you that you are absolutely wrong on every arrogant convoluted argument you just made again.
There is absolutely no hatred toward you or any other Catholic individual on my part, nor, is there any evident in any other poster's words.
On the contrary, it is those who drape themselves in Roman Catholicism as tightly as a girdle that are displaying mind numbing hatred and hostility toward anyone who is free from the bondage of RCC's occultism.
To follow those who claim to be able to perform as the Illusionist, David Copperfield, and invisibly insert Jesus Christ into a baked wafer in order that He may be literally munched as an act of "worship'' is not a Christian practice, nor is it from the Christian God.
It is deception from he whom Jesus called a liar, a thief and a murderer, that old serpent, the God of this age.
Do you realize that if those millions of consecrated hosts left over from Mass services around the world were combined, you would have, according to your own Catholic teaching, literally tons of the blood and flesh of Jesus Christ, who now sits in heaven at the right hand of God, the Father.
Until Constantine squinted into the sunlight and believed he saw the emblem of Jesus Christ in 312 A.D., there was no Roman Catholicism.
The Christianity believed and followed by hundreds of millions of people has existed since approximately 29A.D., the date of the crucifixion, resurrection and ascension.
I am very well acquainted with what Catholicism claims to be true historically, which has been completely disproved.
I am very well acquainted with the falsified records of the Donation of Constantine, the false claim of supposed popes extending back to Peter, all of which has been disproved, yet the lies never cease.
In my library are at least one hundred books on all aspects of Roman Catholicism, many of them written by Jesuit or former Jesuit priests.
My son-in-law grew up in a household claiming Catholicism; he was wise enough to escape it.
I know many Catholics, and I know they cannot explain their faith, can't even begin to, any more than can you.
I don't hate you.
I pray for you.
Of the last sayings of Christ on the cross, none is more important or more poignant than, “It is finished.” Found only in the Gospel of John, the Greek word translated “it is finished” is tetelestai, an accounting term that means “paid in full.”
When Jesus uttered those words, He was declaring the debt owed to His Father was wiped away completely and forever. Not that Jesus wiped away any debt that He owed to the Father; rather, Jesus eliminated the debt owed by mankind - the debt of sin.
pafret,
I am pleased to inform you that you are absolutely wrong on every arrogant convoluted argument you just made again.
There is absolutely no hatred toward you or any other Catholic individual on my part, nor, is there any evident in any other poster's words.
On the contrary, it is those who drape themselves in Roman Catholicism as tightly as a girdle that are displaying mind numbing hatred and hostility toward anyone who is free from the bondage of RCC's occultism.
To follow those who claim to be able to perform as the Illusionist, David Copperfield, and invisibly insert Jesus Christ into a baked wafer in order that He may be literally munched as an act of "worship'' is not a Christian practice, nor is it from the Christian God.
It is deception from he whom Jesus called a liar, a thief and a murderer, that old serpent, the God of this age.
Do you realize that if those millions of consecrated hosts left over from Mass services around the world were combined, you would have, according to your own Catholic teaching, literally tons of the blood and flesh of Jesus Christ, who now sits in heaven at the right hand of God, the Father.
Until Constantine squinted into the sunlight and believed he saw the emblem of Jesus Christ in 312 A.D., there was no Roman Catholicism.
The Christianity believed and followed by hundreds of millions of people has existed since approximately 29A.D., the date of the crucifixion, resurrection and ascension.
I am very well acquainted with what Catholicism claims to be true historically, which has been completely disproved.
I am very well acquainted with the falsified records of the Donation of Constantine, the false claim of supposed popes extending back to Peter, all of which has been disproved, yet the lies never cease.
In my library are at least one hundred books on all aspects of Roman Catholicism, many of them written by Jesuit or former Jesuit priests.
My son-in-law grew up in a household claiming Catholicism; he was wise enough to escape it.
I know many Catholics, and I know they cannot explain their faith, can't even begin to, any more than can you.
I don't hate you.
I pray for you.
pafret wrote:
The truth you are lauding is to put it in simplest... (show quote)
Apr 13, 2018 10:08:14 #
Radiance, your often posted list of false preachers and pastors are pitiful fallen individuals who require prayer. They do not belong to me at all, any more than to you.
I examined what each of them teaches years ago. They are all professing a phony gospel called "the Prosperity gospel", or "name it and claim it."
The only people who would believe such a thing have not read the Bible.
Christians who read the Bible for themselves will never fall for such teaching, but thank you for your concern.
The Christian world can not be divided into just two groups, Catholics and Not Catholics. God has only one group.
God looks at each of us to see if we have placed our trust in Jesus Christ's death on the cross. That is His group. There will be some from every denomination.
Do you not know the Roman Catholic Institution is one of the wealthiest organizations on earth?
I suggest you google it, and rather than dismiss it as lies, pull up some of the financial reports and read them for yourself.
That pitiful little list of wayward preachers could not equal the wealth of Rome if all their bank accounts were combined (X 1,000,000).
Here is just one headline from this morning:
http://nationalpost.com/news/wealth-of-roman-catholic-church-impossible-to-calculate
"Wealth of Roman Catholic Church impossible to calculate"
There is no doubt, however, that between the church’s priceless art, land, gold and investments across the globe,
it is one of the wealthiest institutions on Earth."
There are dozens more.
All the works that we do for others, on behave of Jesus Christ is something we do after we are saved, through the power that God provides us, after we have been indwelt by the Holy Spirit, who guides us.
Our good deeds do nothing to save us, but their presence does identify us as belonging to Jesus Christ before a watching world.
We love, because He first loved us.
How complicated is that?
I examined what each of them teaches years ago. They are all professing a phony gospel called "the Prosperity gospel", or "name it and claim it."
The only people who would believe such a thing have not read the Bible.
Christians who read the Bible for themselves will never fall for such teaching, but thank you for your concern.
The Christian world can not be divided into just two groups, Catholics and Not Catholics. God has only one group.
God looks at each of us to see if we have placed our trust in Jesus Christ's death on the cross. That is His group. There will be some from every denomination.
Do you not know the Roman Catholic Institution is one of the wealthiest organizations on earth?
I suggest you google it, and rather than dismiss it as lies, pull up some of the financial reports and read them for yourself.
That pitiful little list of wayward preachers could not equal the wealth of Rome if all their bank accounts were combined (X 1,000,000).
Here is just one headline from this morning:
http://nationalpost.com/news/wealth-of-roman-catholic-church-impossible-to-calculate
"Wealth of Roman Catholic Church impossible to calculate"
There is no doubt, however, that between the church’s priceless art, land, gold and investments across the globe,
it is one of the wealthiest institutions on Earth."
There are dozens more.
All the works that we do for others, on behave of Jesus Christ is something we do after we are saved, through the power that God provides us, after we have been indwelt by the Holy Spirit, who guides us.
Our good deeds do nothing to save us, but their presence does identify us as belonging to Jesus Christ before a watching world.
We love, because He first loved us.
How complicated is that?
Radiance3 wrote:
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Apr 13, 2018 10:12:47 #
Apr 13, 2018 11:05:43 #
crazylibertarian
Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
Zemirah wrote:
First of all, the entire Christian world cannot be... (show quote)
Congratulations on your terrific ability to distort. I will not rebut your entire posting item by item but will respond that no pope has ever been empowered to deny the words of the Bible. That is a gratuitous insult to the Catholic faith.
I did not divide Christians into Catholic & anti-Catholic.
I have no problem with singing and sermons. I stated that I do miss the actual ceremony of the mass. I am entitled to that. And I never stated anything about any service I have not witnessed.
Have you never seen the billboards with the pictures of the pastor & spouse? That verges, often, on a cult. We had, in NYC one who said on the radio.
"Send me a fin & I'll get you in." Tell me what you call that.
What church do you go to?
Apr 13, 2018 11:12:32 #
crazylibertarian
Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
Zemirah wrote:
Radiance, your often posted list of false preacher... (show quote)
There is no doubt that the Catholic Church is one of the wealthiest, if not the wealthiest, institution on earth but much of that stems from irreplaceable artifacts such as communications between various people, including Henry VIII and the then pope.
Without the Church many priceless artifacts, including art & literature, of history would have been lost. Would you have had them fall into the hands of the Muslim hordes, or Genghis Khan of Atilla the Hun?
Apr 13, 2018 11:15:34 #
crazylibertarian wrote:
There is no doubt that the Catholic Church is one of the wealthiest, if not the wealthiest, institution on earth but much of that stems from irreplaceable artifacts such as communications between various people, including Henry VIII and the then pope.
Without the Church many priceless artifacts, including art & literature, of history would have been lost. Would you have had them fall into the hands of the Muslim hordes, or Genghis Khan of Atilla the Hun?
Without the Church many priceless artifacts, including art & literature, of history would have been lost. Would you have had them fall into the hands of the Muslim hordes, or Genghis Khan of Atilla the Hun?
Don't break your arm there. You can't criticize others while you are doing the same.
Apr 13, 2018 11:21:42 #
crazylibertarian
Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
bahmer wrote:
Don't break your arm there. You can't criticize others while you are doing the same.
I'm not criticizing anyone. I am stating a fact in a response.
Would you prefer a world without The Pieta or The Sistine Chapel?
There is nothing inherently wrong with wealth. It's how you view it and how you orient it in your life.
It seems to me that the Church has done an admirable job of keeping its priorities straight. It's gone off the track but it's been keeping things in good order for the past few hundred years.
Apr 13, 2018 15:53:58 #
Zemirah wrote:
Radiance, your often posted list of false preacher... (show quote)
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Just pray for yourself. You'll need it.
Apr 13, 2018 15:58:41 #
Zemirah wrote:
Radiance, your often posted list of false preacher... (show quote)
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They are your flock. You believe that men are saved by faith alone. That is what they preach repeatedly and get lots of money.
Apr 13, 2018 17:00:28 #
Radiance3 wrote:
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You can be the sweetest catholic in the world and still miss heaven by l8 inches (head knowledge in lieu of heart reception of the Saviour).
Jesus is alive and well and will save your soul if you will ask Him directly. You will BEGIN TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE in your life!
Apr 13, 2018 18:17:12 #
crazylibertarian
Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
malachi wrote:
You can be the sweetest catholic in the world and still miss heaven by l8 inches (head knowledge in lieu of heart reception of the Saviour).
Jesus is alive and well and will save your soul if you will ask Him directly. You will BEGIN TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE in your life!
Jesus is alive and well and will save your soul if you will ask Him directly. You will BEGIN TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE in your life!
You can maintain that you are the most avid follower of Jesus and if you do not live a life of decency, you will never have eternal peace.
Come on everyone. You can talk the talk all you want, but if you don't walk the walk, you might just as well never heard of Jesus. You have to live a life of decency.
Apr 13, 2018 18:56:46 #
crazylibertarian wrote:
You can maintain that you are the most avid follower of Jesus and if you do not live a life of decency, you will never have eternal peace.
Come on everyone. You can talk the talk all you want, but if you don't walk the walk, you might just as well never heard of Jesus. You have to live a life of decency.
Come on everyone. You can talk the talk all you want, but if you don't walk the walk, you might just as well never heard of Jesus. You have to live a life of decency.
Probably more than 90 percent of humans strive to be decent, but this gets no one into Heaven. Only Christ is perfect, sinless, only Christ's sacrifice is accepted. That our behavior should reflect our salvation, is obvious, but we don't lose our salvation with every inevitable sin. Once one is truly saved through Christ, He will not allow anything to take us from his grasp.
Apr 13, 2018 19:02:14 #
crazylibertarian wrote:
You can maintain that you are the most avid follower of Jesus and if you do not live a life of decency, you will never have eternal peace.
Come on everyone. You can talk the talk all you want, but if you don't walk the walk, you might just as well never heard of Jesus. You have to live a life of decency.
Come on everyone. You can talk the talk all you want, but if you don't walk the walk, you might just as well never heard of Jesus. You have to live a life of decency.
You don't seem to understand. NO ONE lives a decent life. But if you are truly saved, you will truly ATTEMPT to follow Jesus. But you will still sin because your body is not redeemed and won't be until the rapture.
When you truly accept Jesus, positionally "you're good to go" but practically you'll be working out your salvation with fear and trembling for the rest of your life.
Apr 13, 2018 19:45:39 #
malachi wrote:
You can be the sweetest catholic in the world and still miss heaven by l8 inches (head knowledge in lieu of heart reception of the Saviour).
Jesus is alive and well and will save your soul if you will ask Him directly. You will BEGIN TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE in your life!
Jesus is alive and well and will save your soul if you will ask Him directly. You will BEGIN TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE in your life!
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How do you measure and judge me about my faith in Jesus when you don't even know me? DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?
Only Jesus knows me every hour of the day! Praise the Lord!
Fact is you are not worth my precious time!
Apr 13, 2018 21:05:20 #
crazylibertarian
Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
mwdegutis wrote:
You don't seem to understand. NO ONE lives a decent life. But if you are truly saved, you will truly ATTEMPT to follow Jesus. But you will still sin because your body is not redeemed and won't be until the rapture.
When you truly accept Jesus, positionally "you're good to go" but practically you'll be working out your salvation with fear and trembling for the rest of your life.
When you truly accept Jesus, positionally "you're good to go" but practically you'll be working out your salvation with fear and trembling for the rest of your life.
You don't seem to understand & this is why we can never agree. We must all strive and many of us do succeed in living a decent life but we all fail short of perfection but we must all still try to live by Jesus' teachings.
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