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Jul 27, 2017 11:36:59   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
slatten49 wrote:
General Mattis Indicates He Will Not Roll Back Open LGBT Military Service As Secretary of Defense

Thursday, January 12, 2017

WASHINGTON -- Today, the nation’s leading organizations for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) service members and their families -- the American Military Partner Association (AMPA) and OutServe-SLDN -- issued the following joint statement following comments made by President-elect Donald Trump’s nominee for Secretary of Defense, retired General James Mattis, during confirmation hearings this morning. General Mattis indicated he will not work to reverse the current policies that allow any qualified person to serve, including LGBT people.

“We are heartened by General Mattis’ stated commitment during his testimony not to reverse the profound progress we have made in ensuring LGBT service members and their families are able to serve our nation with pride,” said AMPA President Ashley Broadway-Mack and OutServe-SLDN Executive Director Matt Thorn. “Because questions had been raised about his commitment on this front, uncertainty in the future had given our military families great cause for concern. His comments today give us hope for a working relationship between our organizations and the new Defense Department leadership. If confirmed, we look forward to working with General Mattis in supporting our nation’s brave heroes and their families. We are committed to holding the incoming administration accountable and ensuring all who serve, regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity, have the support and respect they need and deserve.”

During his prepared testimony, General Mattis said, “We open the door to all patriots who are eligible and meet the standards, provide them with the training, equipment, and leadership that's central to their success, and ensure all service members are treated with dignity and respect.”

When asked by Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) about his support for LGBT service members currently serving our nation, General Mattis said, “Senator, my belief is that we have to stay focused on a military that’s so lethal that on the battlefield it will be the enemies’ longest day and their worst day when they run into that force. I believe that military service is a touchstone for patriots of whatever stripe. It’s simply the way that they demonstrate their commitment. And I believe right now that the policies that are in effect, unless a service chief brings something to me where there’s a problem that’s been proven, then I’m not going in with the idea that I’m going to review these and right away start rolling something back.” He went on to say, “Frankly, I’ve never cared much about two consenting adults and who they go to bed with.”

Later, Senator Mazie Hirono (D-HI) asked him directly, “Is there something innate in being a woman or LGBT that would cause you to believe that they could not be part of a lethal force?” General Mattis replied with a simple, “no.”
General Mattis Indicates He Will Not Roll Back Ope... (show quote)


Intelligent remark. No sense in getting into the political correct BS. But you can be absolutely certain an old combat veteran and traditional American like Mattis is working behind the scene, with many others ranking military, to reverse the sexual experiments Obama inflicted on our military.

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Jul 27, 2017 11:39:34   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
slatten49 wrote:
Beck was transgender, short the physical transformation, all of his life. He did not let it surface/interfere during his time with the Seals.


We speaking of physical plumbing or mental illness?

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Jul 27, 2017 11:47:31   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Super Dave wrote:
he did his job like a patriot or required no special accommodations.

He did not allow his sexual dysfunction to disrupt his unit.

I see no problem with that.

But answer me this.

If he had changed his mind and decided that he was a man. Would he have ever been a transgender?

I love it when I get a chance to list a quote, especially one attributed to Mark Twain...

"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did...I said I didn't know."

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Jul 27, 2017 11:52:22   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
padremike wrote:
We speaking of physical plumbing or mental illness?

Yours or Beck's

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Jul 27, 2017 12:03:54   #
S. Maturin
 
pickmeup wrote:
cohesion is not about leadership its about interpersonal relationships. No doubt the confused retired Seal is bending ideas to fit his thinking.



Yup. We see that in about every contact with those unfortunate terminally-confused patients.

They 'feel' like the *other* sex, so it's nature's fault.

They 'feel' like *others* look at them as something different- which they truly are- and that is the fault of those *others*.

Perversion is perversion and maybe some of that reality can appear to be mitigated if *others* appear to accept the perversion, but the core of the problem will forever be present.

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Jul 27, 2017 12:08:48   #
Carol Kelly
 
pickmeup wrote:
cohesion is not about leadership its about interpersonal relationships. No doubt the confused retired Seal is bending ideas to fit his thinking.



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Jul 27, 2017 12:13:10   #
PRM2014
 
Super Dave wrote:
This man/woman needs to get a grip on reality.

It's not about him/her.

It's about America. The military is not there for the benefit of individual serviceman.

The military is there to protect America.

All Patriot should put their personal wishes aside for the benefit of the country.

Is this person trying to get a gig on CNN or what?



First thing that comes to mind is, that is a perverted lifestyle. You are what you were when born, take it on yourself to change what you were born with is what you are, a male or female "PERIOD" If one want's to serve in the military serve as what gender you are.

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Jul 27, 2017 12:14:02   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
slatten49 wrote:
Yours or Beck's


You keep acting like that I'm going to pick up my toys and go home!

And now allow me to share my personal mental health slogan with you.... "Support mental health or I'll kill you."

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Jul 27, 2017 12:19:43   #
Morgan
 
lpnmajor wrote:
I told my wife Tuesday to get ready for something dramatic from Trump, probably delivered by tweet. I didn't know what it would be, but I expected something bizarre or outrageous. How did I predict this? It was because Jared had taken center stage/front page, for too long.....and Trump needed the focus returned to him.

The pattern is there for anyone who cares to look. Every time Trump precipitously "announces" some shit, without consulting his own staff, someone else had taken the limelight away from him just prior. It irritates me to see the MSM, and pundits, constantly trying to cipher some overriding policy shift, or any policy at all, out of the myriad goofy tweets that arrive daily. There simply ISN'T ANY. These are ad hoc scripts, written either late at night or early in the morning, based on the previous nights cable news binge watching. If Trump doesn't get top billing, he'll do something dramatic or shocking to get back up there.

Here's the guy who said "I alone can fix this", " I know more about ISIS than the Generals" and " you're going to get such good healthcare, at a fraction of the cost...it'll be so easy". None of those pronouncements were true....because he had not given ANY thought to those issues, beyond the sound bytes/optics of the statement. Here's the thing - he STILL hasn't given any thought to the issues, because that's not what he does, it's not his claim to fame. His MO is to get someone else to do what he wants done, or get fired, without any direction from him at all, because he has none to give.

This Transgender announcement is not a policy, DoD does not accept policy statements via twitter, and until the WH issues an official directive to Mattis.............it's just more Trump bullshit. It is a mistake to assume that Trump had given this any thought beyond " this'll get 'em riled up!". Continuing to get riled up over stupid tweets is a mistake. My advice is to ignore them.............and him.
I told my wife Tuesday to get ready for something ... (show quote)




Yes Trump is the most transparent president ever made myself laugh at that one, though to listen to the nut case yesterday he's "The Most Presidential President in the history of our country"!!!! Oh except for Lincoln. he's a riot and hes done this in being in office for just 7 months, he's just fantastic...what a joke.

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Jul 27, 2017 12:23:36   #
Morgan
 
Super Dave wrote:
I was in the military. It's close quarters, shared showers, little privacy, and a lot of trust in the person beside you.

Obama actually sent orders down the chain of command ordering women serving America to get used to showering with men, regardless of how they felt about it...

Here's a question... If you can, please give a direct reply..

If it were found out that in the past, Trump required women in his companies to shower with men, what would you say?





You are so off base it isn't funny, and I call BULLSHIT prove it, and not from some right wing rag. BTW that is something the clueless right would do, just like trying to force people to use the bathroom of their birth, that;s the only way to get a mixture of sexes in the same bathroom, but you radical's haven't figured out how that works yet.

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Jul 27, 2017 12:25:29   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Morgan wrote:
Yes Trump is the most transparent president ever made myself laugh at that one, though to listen to the nut case yesterday he's "The Most Presidential President in the history of our country"!!!! Oh except for Lincoln. he's a riot and hes done this in being in office for just 7 months, he's just fantastic...what a joke.
Yes Trump is the most transparent president ever ... (show quote)


He knows how to get under those thin skin leftists and make them feel like they've laid down naked in a bed of chiggers.

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Jul 27, 2017 12:33:25   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
padremike wrote:
You keep acting like that I'm going to pick up my toys and go home!

And now allow me to share my personal mental health slogan with you.... "Support mental health or I'll kill you."

I am safe from all harm. My min-pin, LadyBug, is steady on the job as our security guard-dog. If you were to get past her, then there is the existential threat of my Sgt. Major.

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Jul 27, 2017 12:33:46   #
Morgan
 
padremike wrote:
He knows how to get under those thin skin leftists and make them feel like they've laid down naked in a bed of chiggers.

Thin skinned must be the people who aren't liars, ah yes where's that video of him BOASTING how he's going to "PROTECT" the LGBT's. But this is all a media ploy anyway just as the major says.

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Jul 27, 2017 12:34:43   #
Morgan
 
slatten49 wrote:
I am safe from all harm. My min-pin, LadyBug, is steady on the job as our security guard-dog. If you were to get past her, then there is the existential threat of my Sgt. Major.



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Jul 27, 2017 12:39:20   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
slatten49 wrote:
Paul Szoldra
Business Insider,
Wednesday, July 26, 2017

A retired Navy SEAL Team 6 hero who is transgender had a message for President Donald Trump after he announced the US military would bar transgender people from serving.

"Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy," Kristin Beck, a 20-year veteran of the Navy SEALs, told Business Insider on Wednesday. "Transgender doesn't matter. Do your service."

Beck said Trump's abrupt change in policy could negatively affect many currently or wanting to serve in the military. The RAND Corporation estimated in 2016 that there were between 1,320 and 6,630 transgender people serving. Many of them just want to serve their country like everyone else, Beck said.

"Being transgender doesn't affect anyone else," Beck said. "We are liberty's light. If you can't defend that for everyone that's an American citizen, that's not right."

Beck is not just your average service member. Born Christopher Beck, she served for 20 years in the Navy with SEAL Teams 1, 5, and, eventually, the elite 6. She deployed 13 times over two decades, including stints in Bosnia, Iraq, and Afghanistan. She received the Bronze Star award for valor and the Purple Heart for wounds suffered in combat. (Those were among Beck's twenty-seven awards/medals/commendations)

"I was defending individual liberty," she said. "I defended for Republicans. I defended for Democrats. I defended for everyone."

In a series of tweets, Trump said the decision was based on the costs of medical services that transgender service members could use. But "the money is negligible," Beck said. "You're talking about .000001% of the military budget.

"They care more about the airplane or the tank than they care about people," Beck said. "They don't care about people. They don't care about human beings."

When asked about potential problems with unit cohesion or war fighting, Beck said those were not issues that would arise from transgender service members, but from leadership.

"A very professional unit with great leadership wouldn't have a problem," Beck said. "I can have a Muslim serving right beside Jerry Falwell, and we're not going to have a problem. It's a leadership issue, not a transgender issue."
Paul Szoldra br Business Insider, br Wednesday, J... (show quote)


Good morning Slatten, I read this thread over 3 times before I made my comments. I wanted to be respectful and comment on the facts as I see them. I first looked for the statement that Beck claimed that President Trump made about transgenders being unworthy to serve. I googled it but couldn't find it, that not saying that he didn't make it, just that I didn't find any proof of it. The article states that she received these various awards, but she did not, he however did. Beck also said when asked about potential problems with unit cohesion or war fighting that there would be no issues from transgender service members , but from leadership. Beck went on to say that a very professional unit with great leadership wouldn't have a problem. Since he was not a transgender when he served with his fellow Seal brothers, is this not just his opinion and not a fact based on his experience as a transgender? Then there is the statement about "the money is negligible, only about .000001% of the military budget ". I don't care if it is $50 or $50,000 or half a million, I don't want my tax dollars paying for something God created and the person disagreed with His creation. For this to be a relevant story about transgenders IN the active military, let's hear the story of a transgender Seal member and the story of the Seal brothers that serve with him! That would give everyone a true picture of both sides of this very explosive subject. I listened to a young retired military man minus both his legs, speak on this subject this morning. I hope some of you heard it! Among other things that he said, he said that it wasn't about one person, it was about the cohesiveness of the unit. His opinion was that having a transgender female in the group would not be beneficial for the group. He said so much more, so maybe more can hear him later today. It's a beautiful day in Texas, it would even be better if we were sitting in a nice shady cove on Lake Whitney!!!!

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