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Jun 25, 2017 21:09:50   #
emarine
 
Steve700 wrote:
You wasting everyone's time with the nearly irrelevant single points and you have no idea whatsoever that they never considered suicidal nuts deliberately driving the airliner into those buildings. After all how could that occur by mistake ???????????? (it is also obvious to demolition experts that those 10 columns or plumes of smoke coming out across the building as it was collapsing are where the individual explosions were)

Here I'll make it real simple 4 U. There are in fact 118 firemen who have been documented as saying they heard explosions. Watch that video Egleeye put out at the 45 minute mark Through 52 or more. I don't see how you can watch that & come away being so stupid as to staunchly believe that it was all not an inside job. You have to be an idiot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p3ohvI3i9w&feature=youtube There are also some 2,700 explosives and demolition experts, engineers, designers etc. calling for a new investigation. You should also watch the first five minutes. (Actually the whole thing ---- Why don't you actually watch what I suggested and tell me what you think ??????????)
You wasting everyone's time with the nearly irrele... (show quote)




Sorry Stevo... explosions travel @ all different speeds... explosions that detonate like from high explosives necessary to bring down the towers travel well above the speed of sound 667mph minimum ... nothing traveled faster than free fall speed on 911...120mph..nothing...these are simple facts...the collapse events from 911 were clocked between 80 & 100mph... you guys are slow...

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Jun 25, 2017 21:42:27   #
Richard Rowland
 
emarine wrote:
I fear Donald Trump may prove to be wrong on many issues ... Trump also said the jet planes should have bounced off the tower side...so where did the big hole shaped like a jet plane come from?...Was it Jews with hack saws again putz...


Is this picture legit? Or was it created? Here's what I think: The pictures certainly look like an explosion, when one thinks of something full of fuel crashing, what's created is a giant fireball, not things blowing in every direction. However, if it was an inside job we'll never know, for the desired effect has been created, speculation and controversy have the effect of confusing all arguments either pro or con.

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Jun 25, 2017 21:53:33   #
emarine
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
Is this picture legit? Or was it created?




I'm not 100% sure but it looks like someone added the plane...



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Jun 26, 2017 01:32:10   #
Steve700
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
You are posting a youtube produced by a Muslim group and you expect them to present an honest assessment of what happened on 9/11? It's called CYA, buckaroo. Of course the Jihadis want you to believe 9/11 was an inside job, a false flag operation. And, I must correct your error. It is 2800 architects and engineers calling for a new investigation. These are members of A&E911, there are no explosives and demolition experts among them.

Yeah, I watched that video, youtube is infested with garbage like that. Just type "9/11 youtube" in your search engine and up pops a whole list of the same old shit, tales told by idiots.

So, I'll make it simple for you. You are out of your f*cking mind. You are a candidate for the Guinness Book of World Records in the category of conspiracy whackjobs.
You are posting a youtube produced by a Muslim gro... (show quote)

I thought I told you that it is totally irrelevant that it happens to be Nation of Islam Muslims in this one particular video that are bringing out this information because you can see the same information in literally hundreds of different videos by non-Muslims. If you were smart the people you wouldn't be listening to would be the people having anything to do with explosion world magazine since they are probably the people the government hired to get the job done after convincing them that it was for the greater good.

You say that there are no explosive and demolition experts among them and I don't believe that for a minute because I know the majority of demolition experts agree that it was an obvious plan demolition that they saw in all the videos including building number seven. For quite a number of different reasons it is even quite apparent to me. And I am not a conspiracy theorist (a term devised to cast doubt on the a collection, examination of and conclusion rendered on numerous facts. I am not a conspiracy theorist, I am conspiracy educated. You remain a true suppressing Degenerate with no integrity who is not to be taken seriously.

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Jun 26, 2017 01:37:28   #
Steve700
 
emarine wrote:
Sorry Stevo... explosions travel @ all different speeds... explosions that detonate like from high explosives necessary to bring down the towers travel well above the speed of sound 667mph minimum ... nothing traveled faster than free fall speed on 911...120mph..nothing...these are simple facts...the collapse events from 911 were clocked between 80 & 100mph... you guys are slow...

Even if you are proving anything there, which are not, it was still leave a good thousand other questions that have no reasonable answer other than that it was an inside job.

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Jun 26, 2017 02:15:57   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Steve700 wrote:


You say that there are no explosive and demolition experts among them and I don't believe that for a minute because I know the majority of demolition experts agree that it was an obvious plan demolition that they saw in all the videos including building number seven.
Let's see some proof that the majority of demolitions experts agree that the destruction of the WTC was a planned demolition. I have searched far and wide on the net to find ONE demolition engineer somewhere who believes 9/11 was an inside job, and all I could find is a youtube produced by A&E911 in which a former CDI explosive loader named Tom Sullivan is trying unconvincingly to explain how the towers could have been rigged with explosives. Sullivan is not a demolition expert.

This was much more compelling: A CRITICAL ANALYSIS OF THE COLLAPSE OF WTC TOWERS 1, 2 & 7 FROM AN EXPLOSIVES AND CONVENTIONAL DEMOLITION INDUSTRY VIEWPOINT

Protec is one of the world’s most knowledgeable independent authorities on explosive demolition, having performed engineering studies, structure analysis, vibration/air overpressure monitoring and photographic services on well over 1,000 structure blasting events in more than 30 countries. These include the current world record-holders for largest, tallest and most buildings demolished with explosives. Protec regularly documents the work of more than 20 explosives contractors who perform structure blasting as a primary source of revenue (including extensive experience with every American company) as well as dozens more who blast structures in a part-time capacity. Beyond the above, Protec possesses several additional types of data and experience that place the firm in a unique position to analyze and comment on this event:

1. Protec was operating portable field seismographs at construction sites in Manhattan and Brooklyn on 9/11, and these seismographs were recording ground vibration throughout the timeframe of events at Ground Zero. These measurements, when combined with more specific and detailed seismic data recorded by Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, help to provide an unfiltered, purely scientific view of each event.

2. In the weeks following 9/11, several Protec building inspectors and staff photographers, including this author, were contracted by demolition teams to document the deconstruction and debris removal processes at Ground Zero. These processes included the mechanical pull-down of the remains of the U.S. Customs Building (WTC 6) and various other activities occurring simultaneously throughout the site. Our teams took thousands of photographs and personally examined untold amounts of debris, including countless structural elements from WTC 1 and 2. While these photographs and video recordings were not originally intended to specifically prove or disprove evidence of explosive demolition, they do provide substantial visual evidence that relates directly to this analysis and place us in a position to speak first-hand of conditions on site rather than relying on outside testimony or hearsay.

3. Protec has been given access to thousands of personal photographs taken by laborers and site foremen employed by the demolition companies responsible for deconstructing the Ground Zero site. The companies include Tully Construction, D.H. Griffin Wrecking, Mazzocchi Wrecking, Yannuzzi Demolition, Gateway Demolition and Manafort Brothers. (Any other demolition company claiming to have worked on the Ground Zero site either worked under the supervision of one of these firms or is misrepresenting their participation.) In addition, Protec documented the only public discussion of the 9/11 clean-up attended by all of the demolition teams (National Demolition Association Convention, Orlando, Florida, 4/22/03). While the original intent of Protec’s two-hour video was to archive the unprecedented challenges faced by these teams, various questions and commentary from the speakers are relevant to this analysis.

4. Because building implosions are often promoted as live news events, Protec’s offices are equipped to record multiple television broadcasts at all times. Our company’s archived recordings of original news broadcasts from the morning of 9/11 begin well prior to the collapse of the first tower and continue uninterrupted beyond the collapse of WTC 7. These original unedited recordings have allowed us to compare and scrutinize the collapse of all three structures free from any possibility of image tampering or modification. In addition, we have examined dozens of freelance and amateur video recordings incorporated into various documentary programs chronicling 9/11 and studied countless ground-based and aerial images captured by private, press and government-contracted photographers.

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Jun 26, 2017 03:10:01   #
Steve700
 
I already told you why any of that information coming from those associated with implosion world magazine should not be trusted. They are about the only ones that side with the government and of course the government is going to be having those who are respected as the primary authority be the ones hired for the job. Just about everyone else says it is an obvious preplanned demolition job on all three buildings. Do your own research. Why would I look up things for you when you go into automatic denial and won't even look at the things I give you links to ??? You have no integrity, are not to be trusted, nor taken seriously. The amount of evidence that is contrary to your beliefs is absolutely overwhelming for any rational thinking person. So it is apparent you either haven't seen much of it or you're just not a rational -- maybe possessed. There definitely is something seriously wrong with you.

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Jun 26, 2017 03:14:21   #
Steve700
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Let's see some proof that the majority of demolitions experts agree that the destruction of the WTC was a planned demolition. I have searched far and wide on the net to find ONE demolition engineer somewhere who believes 9/11 was an inside job, and all I could find is a youtube produced by A&E911 in which a former CDI explosive loader named Tom Sullivan is trying unconvincingly to explain how the towers could have been rigged with explosives. Sullivan is not a demolition expert.

This was much more compelling: A CRITICAL ANALYSIS OF THE COLLAPSE OF WTC TOWERS 1, 2 & 7 FROM AN EXPLOSIVES AND CONVENTIONAL DEMOLITION INDUSTRY VIEWPOINT I already told you why any of that information coming from those associated with implosion world magazine should not be trusted. They are about the only ones that side with the government and of course the government is going to be having those who are respected as the primary authority be the ones hired for the job. Just about everyone else says it is an obvious preplanned demolition job on all three buildings. Do your own research. Why would I look up things for you when you go into automatic denial and won't even look at the things I give you links to ??? You have no integrity, are not to be trusted, nor taken seriously.

Protec is one of the world’s most knowledgeable independent authorities on explosive demolition, having performed engineering studies, structure analysis, vibration/air overpressure monitoring and photographic services on well over 1,000 structure blasting events in more than 30 countries. These include the current world record-holders for largest, tallest and most buildings demolished with explosives. Protec regularly documents the work of more than 20 explosives contractors who perform structure blasting as a primary source of revenue (including extensive experience with every American company) as well as dozens more who blast structures in a part-time capacity. Beyond the above, Protec possesses several additional types of data and experience that place the firm in a unique position to analyze and comment on this event:

1. Protec was operating portable field seismographs at construction sites in Manhattan and Brooklyn on 9/11, and these seismographs were recording ground vibration throughout the timeframe of events at Ground Zero. These measurements, when combined with more specific and detailed seismic data recorded by Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, help to provide an unfiltered, purely scientific view of each event.

2. In the weeks following 9/11, several Protec building inspectors and staff photographers, including this author, were contracted by demolition teams to document the deconstruction and debris removal processes at Ground Zero. These processes included the mechanical pull-down of the remains of the U.S. Customs Building (WTC 6) and various other activities occurring simultaneously throughout the site. Our teams took thousands of photographs and personally examined untold amounts of debris, including countless structural elements from WTC 1 and 2. While these photographs and video recordings were not originally intended to specifically prove or disprove evidence of explosive demolition, they do provide substantial visual evidence that relates directly to this analysis and place us in a position to speak first-hand of conditions on site rather than relying on outside testimony or hearsay.

3. Protec has been given access to thousands of personal photographs taken by laborers and site foremen employed by the demolition companies responsible for deconstructing the Ground Zero site. The companies include Tully Construction, D.H. Griffin Wrecking, Mazzocchi Wrecking, Yannuzzi Demolition, Gateway Demolition and Manafort Brothers. (Any other demolition company claiming to have worked on the Ground Zero site either worked under the supervision of one of these firms or is misrepresenting their participation.) In addition, Protec documented the only public discussion of the 9/11 clean-up attended by all of the demolition teams (National Demolition Association Convention, Orlando, Florida, 4/22/03). While the original intent of Protec’s two-hour video was to archive the unprecedented challenges faced by these teams, various questions and commentary from the speakers are relevant to this analysis.

4. Because building implosions are often promoted as live news events, Protec’s offices are equipped to record multiple television broadcasts at all times. Our company’s archived recordings of original news broadcasts from the morning of 9/11 begin well prior to the collapse of the first tower and continue uninterrupted beyond the collapse of WTC 7. These original unedited recordings have allowed us to compare and scrutinize the collapse of all three structures free from any possibility of image tampering or modification. In addition, we have examined dozens of freelance and amateur video recordings incorporated into various documentary programs chronicling 9/11 and studied countless ground-based and aerial images captured by private, press and government-contracted photographers.
Let's see some proof that the majority of demoliti... (show quote)
I already told you why any of that information coming from those associated with implosion world magazine should not be trusted. They are about the only ones that side with the government and of course the government is going to be having those who are respected as the primary authority be the ones hired for the job. Just about everyone else says it is an obvious preplanned demolition job on all three buildings. Do your own research. Why would I look up things for you when you go into automatic denial and won't even look at the things I give you links to ??? You have no integrity, are not to be trusted, nor taken seriously.

The amount of evidence that is contrary to your beliefs is absolutely overwhelming for any rational thinking person. So it is apparent you either haven't seen much of it or you're just not a rational -- maybe possessed. There definitely is something seriously wrong with you.

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Jun 26, 2017 06:33:10   #
Richard Rowland
 
Steve700 wrote:
I already told you why any of that information coming from those associated with implosion world magazine should not be trusted. They are about the only ones that side with the government and of course the government is going to be having those who are respected as the primary authority be the ones hired for the job. Just about everyone else says it is an obvious preplanned demolition job on all three buildings. Do your own research. Why would I look up things for you when you go into automatic denial and won't even look at the things I give you links to ??? You have no integrity, are not to be trusted, nor taken seriously.

The amount of evidence that is contrary to your beliefs is absolutely overwhelming for any rational thinking person. So it is apparent you either haven't seen much of it or you're just not a rational -- maybe possessed. There definitely is something seriously wrong with you.
I already told you why any of that information com... (show quote)


I would be the last one to say positively what happened regarding those buildings. As I stated previously, it looks like an explosion from other sources than a couple of planes smashing into the buildings. However, the intrigue, secrecy, and time that would be needed to set the blasts would be difficult to have all come together without something going wrong.

Then there's the objective of having the planes arrive on time with people flying them committed to their job. What if at the last minute someone chickened out? Also wouldn't those planting the explosions have a sense of guilt about what they were doing?

And even if they were lied to about why they were planting explosives, 911 would have revealed the truth. Someone would have talked unless they were all murdered after the deed was done. And what was the motive that justified over three-thousand people being sacrificed? A false flag? For what purpose? Taking American into war with the middle east? Too many questions!

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Jun 26, 2017 07:04:20   #
Steve700
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
I would be the last one to say positively what happened regarding those buildings. As I stated previously, it looks like an explosion from other sources than a couple of planes smashing into the buildings. However, the intrigue, secrecy, and time that would be needed to set the blasts would be difficult to have all come together without something going wrong.

Then there's the objective of having the planes arrive on time with people flying them committed to their job. What if at the last minute someone chickened out? Also wouldn't those planting the explosions have a sense of guilt about what they were doing?

And even if they were lied to about why they were planting explosives, 911 would have revealed the truth. Someone would have talked unless they were all murdered after the deed was done. And what was the motive that justified over three-thousand people being sacrificed? A false flag? For what purpose? Taking American into war with the middle east? Too many questions!
I would be the last one to say positively what hap... (show quote)

I understand all those problems and yet the evidence is just so overwhelming --- so very many things coming from all different directions and on so many different aspects that there are just simply is no other answer to other than that 9/11 was an inside job. If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, In all likelihood it probably is a duck. And I don't think convincing enough people that such action is necessary and would be for the greater good would be all that difficult.. I can see how people who thoroughly understand the true nature of Islam could be convinced giving reason for a takeover of the Middle East isNecessary and for the greater good. people that is for the greater good would necessarily be all that difficult.

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Jun 26, 2017 08:25:18   #
payne1000
 
emarine wrote:
Seems you like deceptive still photos...why do you show the outside of the core?... the hollow part is on the inside... like for elevator shafts... they are traditionally hollow... If I remember correctly the WTC towers were 88% air space... air space is hollow... stair ways & interior walls don't take that much space... you just like to deceive like your Smoking stupid still photo ... cherry pick what fits your argument...putz


THE DESIGN
The towers were designed and built in the mid-1960s through the early 1970s. They represented a new approach to skyscrapers in that they were to be very lightweight and involved modular construction methods in order to accelerate the schedule and to reduce the costs.

To a structural engineer, a skyscraper is modeled as a large cantilever vertical column. Each tower was 64 m square, standing 411 m above street level and 21 m below grade. This produces a height-to-width ratio of 6.8. The total weight of the structure was roughly 500,000 t, but wind load, rather than the gravity load, dominated the design. The building is a huge sail that must resist a 225 km/h hurricane. It was designed to resist a wind load of 2 kPa—a total of lateral load of 5,000 t.

In order to make each tower capable of withstanding this wind load, the architects selected a lightweight “perimeter tube” design consisting of 244 exterior columns of 36 cm square steel box section on 100 cm centers (see Figure 3). This permitted windows more than one-half meter wide. Inside this outer tube there was a 27 m × 40 m core, which was designed to support the weight of the tower. It also housed the elevators, the stairwells, and the mechanical risers and utilities. Web joists 80 cm tall connected the core to the perimeter at each story. Concrete slabs were poured over these joists to form the floors. In essence, the building is an egg-crate construction that is about 95 percent air, explaining why the rubble after the collapse was only a few stories high.
Seems you like deceptive still photos...why do you... (show quote)


You continue to show that Photoshopped image which was produced to dramatize a cover-up documentary about the twin towers.

The photos below the poster are how the towers really appeared when back lit.







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Jun 26, 2017 08:32:17   #
payne1000
 
emarine wrote:
absolute proof of controlled demolition...putz


There was no volcano underneath the Twin Towers . . . but there were massive explosives and incendiaries which could melt stone and concrete:





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Jun 26, 2017 08:39:23   #
payne1000
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
I would be the last one to say positively what happened regarding those buildings. As I stated previously, it looks like an explosion from other sources than a couple of planes smashing into the buildings. However, the intrigue, secrecy, and time that would be needed to set the blasts would be difficult to have all come together without something going wrong.

Then there's the objective of having the planes arrive on time with people flying them committed to their job. What if at the last minute someone chickened out? Also wouldn't those planting the explosions have a sense of guilt about what they were doing?

And even if they were lied to about why they were planting explosives, 911 would have revealed the truth. Someone would have talked unless they were all murdered after the deed was done. And what was the motive that justified over three-thousand people being sacrificed? A false flag? For what purpose? Taking American into war with the middle east? Too many questions!
I would be the last one to say positively what hap... (show quote)


This news investigation may clear up some of those questions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H20Naj176M0

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Jun 26, 2017 19:24:46   #
emarine
 
payne1000 wrote:
You continue to show that Photoshopped image which was produced to dramatize a cover-up documentary about the twin towers.

The photos below the poster are how the towers really appeared when back lit.




More bullshit from the Photoshop Nazi?... you're really getting desperate now...your photos are completely different except for the addition of the writing the on one photo... here are some more proving the air space issue visually & more design text..

In order to make each tower capable of withstanding this wind load, the architects selected a lightweight “perimeter tube” design consisting of 244 exterior columns of 36 cm square steel box section on 100 cm centers (see Figure 3). This permitted windows more than one-half meter wide. Inside this outer tube there was a 27 m × 40 m core, which was designed to support the weight of the tower. It also housed the elevators, the stairwells, and the mechanical risers and utilities. Web joists 80 cm tall connected the core to the perimeter at each story. Concrete slabs were poured over these joists to form the floors. In essence, the building is an egg-crate construction that is about "95 percent air", explaining why the rubble after the collapse was only a few stories high.







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Jun 26, 2017 20:41:08   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Steve700 wrote:
I already told you why any of that information coming from those associated with implosion world magazine should not be trusted. They are about the only ones that side with the government and of course the government is going to be having those who are respected as the primary authority be the ones hired for the job. Just about everyone else says it is an obvious preplanned demolition job on all three buildings. Do your own research. Why would I look up things for you when you go into automatic denial and won't even look at the things I give you links to ??? You have no integrity, are not to be trusted, nor taken seriously.

The amount of evidence that is contrary to your beliefs is absolutely overwhelming for any rational thinking person. So it is apparent you either haven't seen much of it or you're just not a rational -- maybe possessed. There definitely is something seriously wrong with you.
I already told you why any of that information com... (show quote)
Yeah, you told us you think Implosion world is suspect, but those guys are pros. The fact that you don't trust them says everything about your state of mind and nothing at all about Protec. You don't even trust your own argument or you wouldn't be so damned defensive about it. You are terrified that there might be a hell of lot of level headed, rational experts on the issues surrounding 9/11, professionals who are capable of objective analysis and are not influenced by truckloads of conspiratorial hogwash. Such people are a threat to you, the things they have to say, based on experience and empirical science and documented histories, could easily torpedo your leaky ship.

If you expect your argument to have any credibility at all, you would do what we have done and taken a close look at everything that contradicts your view of things. Without any knowledge of your opposition, you are just pissing up wind. You have constantly accused us of refusing to visit the links you post or watch your truther videos, but here's a newsflash, Steveo, we have visited the truther websites and watched a hundred plus truther videos, we have seen and heard and read what the truthers have to say. The 9/11 truth movement has become a closed system, it feeds on itself, and it has not advanced its argument any further than when they started this monumental line of horseshit.

FYI: Regarding the 9/11 tragedy, I don't view it through some pre-conceived belief system, for the ten years that I have looked into events surrounding 9/11, I have maintained a healthy dose of skepticism and sought verification and second opinions on every source I have found. The truthers don't do that, they don't want to do that, they just spew the tired old lines about "inside jobs" or "false flag operations" with nothing but hijacked videos and the opinions of a bunch of corrupted engineers and paranoid conspiracy theorists.


From the Protec report:

Protec and its employees have not been paid or hired by anyone to analyze this event, nor do we possess any political affiliations or contribute to any political party or individuals. We have undertaken this endeavor entirely at our own expense, with the singular goal of facilitating constructive dialog and providing a factual voice of reason to our friends and associates who were affected by the attack.

I much prefer the analyses of professional realists over the fictional drama coming from hard core conspiracy nuts. The amount of evidence you people have is the same old shit that has been out there for 16 years. You nerds are no closer to proving your allegations now than you were back then. Your so-called "evidence" may have overwhelmed you, but from where I stand, it is all a load of discombobulated contradictions and manufactured pablum. Like P.T Barnum said, "there is a sucker born every minute", and the fishers of the 9/11 truth movement have certainly made one hell of a haul.

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