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Jun 25, 2017 15:17:49   #
payne1000
 
emarine wrote:
So do you think that the nonstructural sheetrock should have prevented the towers from collapse too ...Richard Rowland?...


What you are showing is a 4" wall made of only 1/2" sheetrock holding up 160 lbs.
Can you imagine how much more weight sheetrock walls will support when they are securely fastened to steel studs on 16" centers?



Typical interior wall arrangement.
Typical interior wall arrangement....

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Jun 25, 2017 15:26:15   #
payne1000
 
emarine wrote:
that's fine Richard Rowland... you are honest in your opinion & honesty deserves respect where as constant deceit doesn't... I'm not here to sell anything where payne try's to hard sell age old lies rooted in anti Semitism... & that's my layman's opinion after over 500 pages of debate... you're new to this gig fella...it all comes out in the end... Your Jet plane crash test was it a huge solid concrete block?... That would be very different than a hollow tube structure consisting of almost 90% air space...
that's fine Richard Rowland... you are honest in y... (show quote)


Donald Trump explains why the Twin Towers were among the strongest skyscrapers in the world.
He says there must have been bombs aboard the airliners for them to be able to penetrate the steel on the Tower outer wall structure:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afRPYkdL5_s

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Jun 25, 2017 16:41:52   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
payne1000 wrote:
The term "tube structure" doesn't apply to the twin towers because tubes are defined as round hollow cylinders. The Twin Towers were rectangular structures which were far from being hollow, especially the massive center core. Cover-up agents such as yourself jumped on that term because it falsely depicted the towers as being weaker than they were. When you support and defend lies, you choose to use every lie available to you.



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Jun 25, 2017 17:23:32   #
emarine
 
payne1000 wrote:
The term "tube structure" doesn't apply to the twin towers because tubes are defined as round hollow cylinders. The Twin Towers were rectangular structures which were far from being hollow, especially the massive center core. Cover-up agents such as yourself jumped on that term because it falsely depicted the towers as being weaker than they were. When you support and defend lies, you choose to use every lie available to you.




I just defined tube structures for you putz... you will have to learn to deal with it... the twin towers were framed "tube" structures... the twin towers were almost 90% hollow not close to a solid structure... the center core wasn't massive it was adequate to support half the load.... you are clueless about everything putz...

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Jun 25, 2017 17:28:35   #
emarine
 
payne1000 wrote:
What you are showing is a 4" wall made of only 1/2" sheetrock holding up 160 lbs.
Can you imagine how much more weight sheetrock walls will support when they are securely fastened to steel studs on 16" centers?



Must you continue to prove your total ignorance... any normal thinking human would have abandoned this argument long ago...putz...

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Jun 25, 2017 17:45:09   #
emarine
 
payne1000 wrote:
Donald Trump explains why the Twin Towers were among the strongest skyscrapers in the world.
He says there must have been bombs aboard the airliners for them to be able to penetrate the steel on the Tower outer wall structure:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afRPYkdL5_s




I fear Donald Trump may prove to be wrong on many issues ... Trump also said the jet planes should have bounced off the tower side...so where did the big hole shaped like a jet plane come from?...Was it Jews with hack saws again putz...



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Jun 25, 2017 18:33:52   #
payne1000
 
No, the Twin Towers were not made of drinking straws. They were made of high strength steel which is exponentially stronger than drinking straws.
This means the vertical column structure in the towers could support many times the weight they actually held up. This means they could not be crushed to the ground in less than 15 seconds by the same weight they had supported for over a half century.
Besides, all the photos and videos show they were blown up with powerful explosives.



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Jun 25, 2017 18:39:51   #
payne1000
 
emarine wrote:
I just defined tube structures for you putz... you will have to learn to deal with it... the twin towers were framed "tube" structures... the twin towers were almost 90% hollow not close to a solid structure... the center core wasn't massive it was adequate to support half the load.... you are clueless about everything putz...


Lying again?
Does this look 90% hollow?
And it's far from being finished.
Many center core walls and stairways are to be added.
Many interior walls are to be added as well . . . walls which prevent floor slabs from collapsing on each other.





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Jun 25, 2017 18:51:21   #
payne1000
 
emarine wrote:
Must you continue to prove your total ignorance... any normal thinking human would have abandoned this argument long ago...putz...


The interior walls were a factor but the real evidence is in the existence of massive explosive debris clouds.
This evidence is absolute proof of controlled demolition.











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Jun 25, 2017 18:54:15   #
payne1000
 
emarine wrote:
I fear Donald Trump may prove to be wrong on many issues ... Trump also said the jet planes should have bounced off the tower side...so where did the big hole shaped like a jet plane come from?...Was it Jews with hack saws again putz...


Trump had not had time to consider that the drones flown into the towers were specially strengthened and beefed up to allow them to cut that perfect airliner-shaped hole.



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Jun 25, 2017 18:59:35   #
emarine
 
payne1000 wrote:
Does this look 90% hollow?
And it's far from being finished.
Many interior walls and stairways are to be added.




Seems you like deceptive still photos...why do you show the outside of the core?... the hollow part is on the inside... like for elevator shafts... they are traditionally hollow... If I remember correctly the WTC towers were 88% air space... air space is hollow... stair ways & interior walls don't take that much space... you just like to deceive like your Smoking stupid still photo ... cherry pick what fits your argument...putz


THE DESIGN
The towers were designed and built in the mid-1960s through the early 1970s. They represented a new approach to skyscrapers in that they were to be very lightweight and involved modular construction methods in order to accelerate the schedule and to reduce the costs.

To a structural engineer, a skyscraper is modeled as a large cantilever vertical column. Each tower was 64 m square, standing 411 m above street level and 21 m below grade. This produces a height-to-width ratio of 6.8. The total weight of the structure was roughly 500,000 t, but wind load, rather than the gravity load, dominated the design. The building is a huge sail that must resist a 225 km/h hurricane. It was designed to resist a wind load of 2 kPa—a total of lateral load of 5,000 t.

In order to make each tower capable of withstanding this wind load, the architects selected a lightweight “perimeter tube” design consisting of 244 exterior columns of 36 cm square steel box section on 100 cm centers (see Figure 3). This permitted windows more than one-half meter wide. Inside this outer tube there was a 27 m × 40 m core, which was designed to support the weight of the tower. It also housed the elevators, the stairwells, and the mechanical risers and utilities. Web joists 80 cm tall connected the core to the perimeter at each story. Concrete slabs were poured over these joists to form the floors. In essence, the building is an egg-crate construction that is about 95 percent air, explaining why the rubble after the collapse was only a few stories high.



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Jun 25, 2017 19:36:10   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
payne1000 wrote:
No, the Twin Towers were not made of drinking straws. They were made of high strength steel which is exponentially stronger than drinking straws.
This means the vertical column structure in the towers could support many times the weight they actually held up. This means they could not be crushed to the ground in less than 15 seconds by the same weight they had supported for over a half century.
Big difference between supporting a static load and withstanding the forces of a mass in motion. Of course, the towers were designed and constructed to stand a long while, most things are built to last. However, in the case of the twin towers, a quite unexpected and unplanned for event occurred that compromised the ability of the towers to bear the static load.

It is true that the engineers considered the remote possibility of an aircraft hitting one of the towers, and they considered the largest aircraft in the sky at the time. BUT, they did not purposely reinforce the buildings against such a possibility, they merely felt that the buildings as they were designed would survive such an event. Moreover, the idea that a large commercial jet fully loaded with fuel and flying at cruise speeds would hit the buildings was not even on their minds. Everything they knew about aircraft flying low over Manhattan was taken from FAA regulations regarding such things, and these are very specific.

Title 14 of the Code of Federal Regulations, Section 91.119 of the General Operating and Flight Rules, specifically prohibits low flying aircraft.

91.119 Minimum safe altitudes; general

Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the
following altitudes:

(a) Anywhere – An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.

(b) Over congested areas – Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open-air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft.

In other words, when the engineers considered an aircraft crashing into the towers, they were considering only an accident, such as an aircraft in trouble, or one that was lost. The engineers never dreamed of suicidal maniacs violating every flight regulation in the books and intentionally flying planes into the buildings.

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Jun 25, 2017 20:31:16   #
emarine
 
payne1000 wrote:
The interior walls were a factor but the real evidence is in the existence of massive explosive debris clouds.
This evidence is absolute proof of controlled demolition.





absolute proof of controlled demolition...putz



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Jun 25, 2017 20:36:00   #
Steve700
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Big difference between supporting a static load and withstanding the forces of a mass in motion. Of course, the towers were designed and constructed to stand a long while, most things are built to last. However, in the case of the twin towers, a quite unexpected and unplanned for event occurred that compromised the ability of the towers to bear the static load.

It is true that the engineers considered the remote possibility of an aircraft hitting one of the towers, and they considered the largest aircraft in the sky at the time. BUT, they did not purposely reinforce the buildings against such a possibility, they merely felt that the buildings as they were designed would survive such an event. Moreover, the idea that a large commercial jet fully loaded with fuel and flying at cruise speeds would hit the buildings was not even on their minds. Everything they knew about aircraft flying low over Manhattan was taken from FAA regulations regarding such things, and these are very specific.

Title 14 of the Code of Federal Regulations, Section 91.119 of the General Operating and Flight Rules, specifically prohibits low flying aircraft.

91.119 Minimum safe altitudes; general

Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the
following altitudes:

(a) Anywhere – An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.

(b) Over congested areas – Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open-air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft.

In other words, when the engineers considered an aircraft crashing into the towers, they were considering only an accident, such as an aircraft in trouble, or one that was lost. The engineers never dreamed of suicidal maniacs violating every flight regulation in the books and intentionally flying planes into the buildings.
Big difference between supporting a static load an... (show quote)

You wasting everyone's time with the nearly irrelevant single points and you have no idea whatsoever that they never considered suicidal nuts deliberately driving the airliner into those buildings. After all how could that occur by mistake ???????????? (it is also obvious to demolition experts that those 10 columns or plumes of smoke coming out across the building as it was collapsing are where the individual explosions were)

Here I'll make it real simple 4 U. There are in fact 118 firemen who have been documented as saying they heard explosions. Watch that video Egleeye put out at the 45 minute mark Through 52 or more. I don't see how you can watch that & come away being so stupid as to staunchly believe that it was all not an inside job. You have to be an idiot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p3ohvI3i9w&feature=youtube There are also some 2,700 explosives and demolition experts, engineers, designers etc. calling for a new investigation. You should also watch the first five minutes. (Actually the whole thing ---- Why don't you actually watch what I suggested and tell me what you think ??????????)

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Jun 25, 2017 21:08:01   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Steve700 wrote:
You wasting everyone's time with the nearly irrelevant single points and you have no idea whatsoever that they never considered suicidal nuts deliberately driving the airliner into those buildings. After all how could that occur by mistake ???????????? (it is also obvious to demolition experts that those 10 columns or plumes of smoke coming out across the building as it was collapsing are where the individual explosions were)

Here I'll make it real simple 4 U. There are in fact 118 firemen who have been documented as saying they heard explosions. Watch that video Egleeye put out at the 45 minute mark Through 52 or more. I don't see how you can watch that & come away being so stupid as to staunchly believe that it was all not an inside job. You have to be an idiot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p3ohvI3i9w&feature=youtube There are also some 2,700 explosives and demolition experts, engineers, designers etc. calling for a new investigation. You should also watch the first five minutes. (Actually the whole thing ---- Why don't you actually watch what I suggested and tell me what you think ??????????)
You wasting everyone's time with the nearly irrele... (show quote)
You are posting a youtube produced by a Muslim group and you expect them to present an honest assessment of what happened on 9/11? It's called CYA, buckaroo. Of course the Jihadis want you to believe 9/11 was an inside job, a false flag operation. And, I must correct your error. It is 2800 architects and engineers calling for a new investigation. These are members of A&E911, there are no explosives and demolition experts among them.

Yeah, I watched that video, youtube is infested with garbage like that. Just type "9/11 youtube" in your search engine and up pops a whole list of the same old shit, tales told by idiots.

So, I'll make it simple for you. You are out of your f*cking mind. You are a candidate for the Guinness Book of World Records in the category of conspiracy whackjobs.

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