straightUp wrote:
Regarding the meme... You're either really fucking stupid or you're a piece of shit liar.. The meme is a lie, that much is certain. I'm guessing it's someone else's lie and you're just too stupid to know any better. After all, half you morons can't even understand the Constitution and THAT was written in English.
The actual translation of Surah Anfal Ch. 8 verse 39 is...
And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.
Yes, this passage starts with a conjunction ("And" for the dumbasses that don't know what a conjunction is), which means verse 39 is what English speakers who are NOT dumbshits call an incomplete sentence. To make sense of what is being said you have to read verse 38, which is...
Say to those who have disbelieved that if they cease hostilities, what has previously occurred will be forgiven for them. But if they return to hostility - then the precedent of the former rebellious peoples has already taken place.
When you actually read their scripture they way they wrote it, it becomes obvious that what is being encouraged is self-defense. That when the nation of Islam is confronted with hostility then they are encouraged to fight back until the there is no "fitnah" (disorder and strife)... The verses are a reference to the early days of Islam, which was not only a religion but also a political entity, when it was being attacked by surrounding kingdoms.
You are propagating a blatant lie which is obviously conceived by an illiterate dumb-fuck... You can't "kill something until it submits" you idiot.
I've had these arguments with you before... You claim to be an expert on Islam and yet, you know nothing. Everything you quote, everything you link to is authored by zealots who hate Muslims and are trying to get everyone else to hate them too. You attack Islam out of ignorance and hatred and you desecrate Christianity by claiming to be one.
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The first thing you should realize is that when the Koran is translated into English it is soft peddled for Westerners compared to the way it reads in Arabic. For instance in Arabic it will say "fight them until there is no more
opposition" and in English the same passage will read "Fight them until there is no
oppression". Those words are quite different and indicative of the way Islamic theology always portrays Islam as the victim when in fact the opposite is far more true.
Muslims will always tell you there is only one Koran and I am convinced most of them actually believe it. But that is not true, but it is what they are told, but actually there are as many as 29 different Korans; all very similar of course but 29 different ones. Why do you think you have Shiites, Sunnis, Wahobi, Sufis, etc. warring upon each other and calling the others apostates? 8:39, that most famous of verses in the Koran, w hich is most often given as an example of verses that rule out most all the peaceful stuff about how Muslims are to treat infidels (whom they call Kafers) is relatively early in the Koran with the peaceful versus being more towards the end. The Koran has no context and that gives the impression that the contradicting peaceful verses are the ones that prevail.
But the opposite is true. What you don't understand is that when the Koran or Muslims talk about "[u]'When the unbelievers cease hostilities', you have to realize that Islamic ideology is demonically designed and what that really means is "When the unbelievers cease resisting being subjugated". I think that will become more clear to you as you read on here.
I have had four different Korans in front of me at one time and looked up that very same verse 8:39. I can tell you they were worded differently in each Koran, but the meaning was the same. Some say "Until there is no more dissent", some said "Until there is no more disagreement", some say "until there is no more challenge", some say "until there is no more opposition", and the most soft peddled and deceitful interpretations say oppression to give the impression that the poor Muslims are being victimized. What you don't understand is that in Islamic theology your mere existence is a threat to them and Islam. That's the way a jihadist understands it and believe me, they can clean the clock of any moderate Muslim in a debate. They are very knowledgeable about the verses in the Koran, Hadith and other authoritative Islamic literature, including the opinions of Islamic scholars, that justify what they do. The Koran and Hadith have a lot to say about the unbelievers "
Making mischief in the land" (which is reason to kill them) simply means being
unIslamic - rejecting the Koran - being an unbeliever and acting accordingly.
Here are those two versus exactly the way they are worded including parentheses in my Koran which I got from Muslims who had a table set up where they were passing out Koran's and other Islamic literature:
8:38 Say to the disbelievers, if they stop themselves (from disbelief), their past (actions) would be forgiven them; But if they continue, the punishment of those before them is already (before them as a warning)
how can you interpret that as anything other than if you don't submit you will be slaughtered 8:39 And keep fighting them till there is no more unrest (commotion)or injustice.
You notice they are using the word commotion, which is what you have when people are refusing to submit to Islam's superior authority - it has nothing to do with being oppressed or victimized -- as the next words portray, the Islamic idea of justice is that you submit and obey Allah and there exists justice and faith in Allah altogether and
everywhere; but if they stop, surely, Allah sees all that they do. I memorized that verse yers ago from a different Koran and this is how it was worded at that time in the Koran I was reading. Quran 8:39 "Fight them until there is no more opposition and all submit and until there exists only one religion, Islam and Allah alone is worshiped". --- I think that makes it quite clear that Islam intends to rule the world. And I have told you before that is the very reason Islam is called "The Religion Of Peace", because their agenda is to create world peace by forcing all the world to submit to Iaslam.
It is obvious you get your information from Muslim sources. Which is equivalent to a Jew getting his info about Nazism from a Nazi. Try Brigitte Gabriel, Walied Shoebat, (Muslim scholar and X terrorist now Christian) Robert Spencer or
Http://www.thereligionofpeace.com -- There are many YouTube videos of the speaking engagements of these guys. . And read the companion book of the Koran, the Hadith (exploits, actions and sayings of Mohammed) to understand the horrifically brutal, savage and ungodly treatment Mohammed and Allah intended, and still intends for the unbeliever. Islamic perception and the way Muslims think is very different from the western mind. Have you ever considered that these people that you say hate Islam, may have damn good reason ??????????