straightUp Loc: California

Yes, it does... The 14th Amendment is very clear about the difference between the privileges and immunities of "citizens" and the due process and equal justice afforded all "persons". I realize that it's hard for right-wingers to think about anyone but themselves but the Constitution isn't a gift for citizens, it's a discipline of government.


Trump made sure he had some clever people "word smithing" the order. They didn't actually say, "Muslims" because that would be too easy for lawyers to point out the 1st amendment violation. But they used rhetorical descriptions like this... [color=red]"The United States cannot, and should not, admit those who do not support the Constitution, or those who would place violent ideologies over American law."[/quote] Violent ideologies... gee, I wonder... The very next sentence in the order says... [color=red]"In addition, the United States should not admit those who engage in acts of bigotry or hatred (including "honor" killings, other forms of violence against women, or the persecution of those who practice religions different from their own) or those who would oppress Americans of any race, gender, or sexual orientation."[/quote]
These are descriptions of the worst examples of people in the Muslim world and right-wing political rhetoric asserts that ALL Muslims do these things.
Then there is the part where he actually states the action of law... [color=red][i]" I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order"

The key word here is "proclaim"... 8 U.S.C. 1187 says the president must "find" the detriment (as in PROVE it) not "proclaim" it, (as in - "the king says so").

This shit just isn't going to hold water.


Yes, it does. I'm told that's one of the first things they teach you in law school.


You and Loki are wrong. There's nothing in 1182 that permits the ban on a group of people for the reasons stated in the executive order.


I guess so.

straightUp Loc: California

LOL...

Ya, know... I never hear liberals fantasizing about dead Americans. I guess that's alt-right thing.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Oh yes there is. It has been pointed out to you repeatedly. You just won't accept it because you are ever so much smarter than everyone else. You sound like you think the Constitution and the United States Code should say what YOU want it to say, and be re-written to comply with YOUR desires, and opinions; but then, most self-righteous, arrogant, condescending assholes feel that way.

straightUp Loc: California

It's simple math idiot. Snowbear37 was saying the 2016 election is a reflection of a sentiment held by MOST people in this country. Most means more than 50%. 50% percent of what? Well, according to snowbear, more than 50% of the people in this country. Well, if we're counting the people in this country then you count the popular votes, not the votes of 538 special people.

So are you going to bark every time someone counts the actual number of people that voted for Trump?

Loki Loc: Georgia

Barking is your thing, Fido, not mine. "Counting the actual number of people who voted for Trump as a percentage of the total population, including those who cannot vote shows a basic dishonesty. Progressives are very good at that sort of thing.

straightUp Loc: California

Pointing to the same false reading over and over doesn't make true.


Well, when only one person is smart enough to figure it out, there isn't much incentive for him to accept the delusions of those that can't.


Yes... that's the way it works. The Constitution and the US Code are supposed to reflect the will of the people. You didn't know that?

Loki Loc: Georgia

"Pointing to the same false reading over and over doesn't make true."

Then why do you continue to do so? Do you think it will change?


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"Well, when only one person is smart enough to figure it out, there isn't much incentive for him to accept the delusions of those that can't."

How terrible for you that you are not that person.

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"Yes... that's the way it works. The Constitution and the US Code are supposed to reflect the will of the people. You didn't know that?"

I'm not the one having a problem with the concept of people consisting of more than just one person and his opinion. I hate to break this to you, but you are only a small part of the people. Small, insignificant, and annoying.

Hemiman Loc: Communist California

Annoying and never correct.If someone applied his principles of immigration to his personal life the crying and screaming would be heard in every corner of this nation.

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

You are a frigging maggot. QUITE FRANKLY! An AZZ HOLE!

Your version of "The law" comes from what you read about from your liberal pile of dung media. You personally do not know shit about anything you post. OH snap...you do know about incest and being a pedophile....you have an expert background with "on the job" and "hands on" experience doing that! Over time, you have given THAT up about yourself many times.

We may get lucky and some of the Children that will be adults, (if not already) that are around you will turn you in to the law. I would think at that point of time, we will be blessed enough to have you not be in a position to post on this website as you will be far too busy learning something REAL about the LAWS in this Nation. As ignorant an AZZ as you are, it may shock you for you to find out that even your molesting your own kid or kids was NOT lawful for you to be doing. In this Nation that is not only illegal, is it a mark of what sort of sick and demented punk you are!

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

PUKE brain, on the NEWS all the time, your maggot fellow progressives are talking about death to conservatives. This is the example as to why YOU and YOUR fellow maggots should be removed from the face of the Earth. You are a disease. A disgusting smelly lil pile of poop, with some worms wiggling about...and as much as YOU want something to be YOUR way....you are not AMERICAN what so ever...you are puke. We do see your progressives physically assaulting people that are Trump supporters. I damned sure wish some maggots would attempt such activity towards me.

When you are arrested for your sick and twisted crimes you have committed, I sure as hell hope we all read about it on the news from any new media source, so we can attend the court proceedings and chant out in the court room for you to be hung for your crimes!

Decency vs Incest
Decency vs Pedophilia
Decency vs Destructive Maggot Liberals
Decency vs Treason

You have no decency. You have no business even being in the USA if you actually even reside in the USA. You belong either in Jail or six feet under.

straightUp Loc: California

Well, I'm sure you find it annoying when I continue to point out the flaws in your feeble cover up for what is essentially an unjust policy. When all else fails you try to suggest that my opinion doesn't matter because I am only a small part of the people, but every time I point out how few people actually voted for these unjust policies you start barking about how the popular vote doesn't count for anything. Seriously, it's pretty funny.

Look, if you don't like being annoyed, maybe you should stop giving me opportunities to make fun of you're ignorance.

straightUp Loc: California

LOL... I didn't know my personal life has such an impact on every corner of this nation.

cesspool jones Loc: atlanta

It's a real thing which is gunna erupt in real time.....spacetime to buttercups like you.

Hemiman Loc: Communist California

Everyone needs a good laugh at your expense and you provide plenty of them.

Loki Loc: Georgia

There are no flaws to point out except in your imagination. I do not "bark" about the popular vote not counting for anything except in the case of presidential elections, clown. I realize it is difficult for you to grasp this concept, but do try and keep up. If the popular vote about which YOU keep prating endlessly was as important as YOU seem to think, we would have a president Hillary. I hate to break it to you, but WE DON'T!

The only ignorance exposed is your own, with your self-serving, self-righteous, educated-beyond-your-intelligence pseudo-intellectual drivel.

YOU'RE IGNORANCE? I see you done grajeeated sixth grade grammar on how to talk reel gud.