Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Hey, I'm not judging you, bubba, I'm just cuing off what you have said. I don't give a shit what you believe, you chose a highway, I chose another. You keep saying you are looking for a reason to believe in God, yet you expound on all the reasons you reject that belief. No, the scripture hasn't changed. What is needed is a change in the way you approach your search for God. You won't find Him just by reading or studying scripture, it isn't an intellectual exercise.

"Ask and it shall be given to you, seek and ye shall find, knock and the door will be open unto you." Either you misunderstood that or you missed it completely.

Mr Bombastic

God reveals Himself to those who diligently seek Him.

dil′i·gent·ly adv.
Synonyms: diligent, industrious, conscientious, assiduous, sedulous
These adjectives suggest steady attention and effort that is undertaken to accomplish something. Diligent connotes steady, meticulous attention to an ongoing job or task: "[They] have won international renown for their diligent efforts to track down software bugs"

Reading the Bible isn't going to lead you to God. You have to want it with all of your heart, soul and mind. If he hasn't found God, after all that time spent looking, then he really isn't serious about it, IMHO.

kcstargoat

Now you're defining how hard I should study. Diligent would be a word I could legitimately use to apply to my study. When I'm not working on other projects. I want an answer to what or who is god, but if I went into my study, determined to believe with all my heart and mind the religious materials I studied, it wouldn't be study, it would be indoctrination. Mind washing so to speak. One must begin study with no expectation. That is what I do. I do not begin my reading prejudiced toward the study material either. No, I haven't made up my mind. I am still on the hunt.

Mr Bombastic

Someone once asked the question, on this forum, I believe. If it was proven that God exists, and that every word of the Bible was true, would you worship Him? You'd be surprised how many said no, and their reasons for saying so. I'm asking you the same question. What's your answer?

PeterS

I can only interpret Jefferson based on his comments and his actions. If that is Marxism to do so then I am guilty as accused. And please, explain where I've rewritten history? Is anything I've said about Jefferson not historically accurate?

You say you worship the teacher not the teaching. Well, based on the actions of CC's, you aren't telling me anything that wasn't already abundantly very clear. Jefferson did worship the teachings though--so much so that he cut apart three different versions of the bible to get a text to represent what he thought Jesus actually meant. That's the difference between someone with intellectual integrity and someone without--it doesn't matter who speaks but what is spoken that is important.


Your first sentence is Bullsh1t. First off we don't know god--god is a construct of the imagination that no two people see the same. How can we know something when no two people can have the same understanding for what they think they know. Plus, modern man is the only creature not able to live in harmony with nature. Would a superior being destroy the only home he has? Second, what makes you think our language is superior to a dolphin, or a whale, or an ape for that matter. They all have far more ability to understand us than we have to understand them. Is that because our language is superior or because they have superior brains.


One cannot have intellectual integrity without intellectual honesty and when one has to make up facts to support the reality of a god that destroys any intellectual integrity one might possibly have. Does a god exist? I don't know. But when there is no evidence to suggest a god why would someone who has intellectual integrity invent one?



My god you are arrogant. Do you think an ape watching his family doesn't understand good and that when man comes and destroys that same family understands evil?

My moral perspective on life comes from my intellectual integrity. Your moral perspective on life comes from your lack of any.



The only thing I desire is the same peaceful sleep I had before my birth and I know awaits me after my death. Entertain yourself with rotisserie's if you like--as this is the only opportunity at life I will ever have I am not going to waste any time on such nonsense...

endgame Loc: earth; still on top

PeterS: if this is what you've determined via good deductive reasoning - and it seems the case - I don't have say - marvelous!

But just did all the same. Thanks, for the share.

kcstargoat

No and yes. I bow down to no one and believe in my right to be free of instruction or action I want no part of. But I would have great love for God and talk with him all the time, even if I couldn't see him. I would do his beckoning in the Bible, which I think I already am, except for one commandment. I am a 62-year-ol bachelor who is not a virgin by any means. You can figure what commandment I don't follow.

endgame Loc: earth; still on top

PeterS: if this is what you've determined via good deductive reasoning - and it seems the case - I don't have to say - marvelous!

But just did all the same. Thanks, for the share

Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida

Someone has taught you wrongly!

Jesus came to save all those who rejected, ie., denied God. He even suffered death to be raised, to prove His point.

I will try to convince doubter as long as God gives me breath.



Absolutely - but our job as priests in a sincursed world, is to pray for the ungodly, for why would we want to keep God to ourselves?

Jesus wept for me. How can I not weep for Her, and Him, and Them?

PeterS

Does it matter what commandment you didn't follow? Or are some commandments less relevant than others?

PeterS

I wasted too much of my life trying to mold a god into a real being. No such luck. Makes me think it better to stick to what I know is actually there...

PeterS

The thing is Donald didn't work hard. He didn't set up any type of ground game, spend little if any money advertising, and mostly relied on free media and twitter to get his message across--unless you consider flying around the country and stirring up hatred amongst the lowest common denominator hard work. Myself I think not as you have long been looking for your hedonistic messiah and all he had to do was show up and open his mouth--an easy thing to do for someone like Trump.

And I love how you think god chose Trump. This is a man who cheated on his first wife, his second wife and had a child out of wedlock with her, and hasn't show great fidelity for his third wife. Do you think, of the 17 people republicans, had running there wasn't another man or woman better qualified and moral than Donald J Trump--or is your argument that god no longer cares about the morals of an individual. If you see god at work in this election than you've build a damn good case for their being no god--after all Trump is a liar, demonized and denigrated everyone around him, and has a worse moral record of all republicans running. I wouldn't think god wouldn't believe in being moral relative when he could have certainly done a better job of choosing than a man like Trump.

If Trump is the best he could do than what better proof that it's wishful thinking and not a god that exists...

PeterS

So you aren't obligated to prove anything! God almighty, do you no understand what kind of position that put you in? Just how do you know Truth if you can't question? And people who use prophecies as a proof of gods existence are putting themselves above god? How do you figure that? Then why did god put prophecies in the bible if not for evidence to be used as proof of his existence?

Blade you seem to make it up as you go--and you haven't a single shred of logic to help you out. What a shame...

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

I am not a priest, I am just a Christian. I have never kept God to myself, it is not my place or within my power to keep God from others. Above all other concerns, developing a personal, intimate relationship with God, through Jesus, is the first priority.

Praying for the ungodly, the unsaved, is one thing, but there are those who deny Him, even defy Him, and praying for them is futile.

"Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." Matthew 10:32-33

These are the ones I mean:

"For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." 2 Timothy 3

PeterS

"Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God"

Wouldn't that be a description of Donald Trump. His life is devoted to pleasure and he is certainly heady and highminded. Of course when it comes to politics god says moral relativity is okay...am I right!

Like I said Blade, you make it up as you go. Moral convictions only matter if the subject is something other then politics correct.