JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Can't believe I finally found something to agree with you on. The Patriot Act is an abomination. Where you're wrong, at least with the Conservatives I know, they are against the Patriot Act also. Should have been called the Government Tyranny Act.

theotts

I have always wondered why this isn't an issue. Institutional inertia?

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

The language is designed to instill a feeling of hostility and violence. Is it just me or has it gotten worse over the last several years?

and then we get to the really scary part:

Seriously? Does anybody actually believe there's the kind of hostilities being carried out commensurate with the language being used to describe this 'back and forth' in this so-called "gun control debate"?

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Unfortunately many of our fellow Americans are clueless. Name a bill or act something that sounds charitable, magnanimous , or Patriotic and they are O.K. with it because it sounds good.

theotts

I don't know of any effort to ban guns altogether, but the argument that they're needed for self-defense against the government is insane. It implies that a gun supercedes democracy and the rule of law. Those are precisely the people who probably shouldn't have guns.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

I think it implies a check against tyranny. In my opinion most politicians have a little tyrant in them.

theotts

The barbarians are at the gate.
Such people used to be the lunatic fringe, but modern communication has magnified their prevalence. My work puts me in contact with a lot of people, probably thousands over the years, but I am yet to meet a flamer like you cited.
They make democracy very difficult.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

Ever heard of Hillary Clinton? Here's a short sampling of her thoughts on banning all guns wherever they are found:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hillary+clinton+ban+guns+altogether


Is it? I'd call it sensible self-preservation.
"In the last few years, we have seen the executive branch declare itself outside the law - in prosecuting a war on terror. The law against torture has been suspended. The balance between the executive and legislative branch has been dismissed by signing statements and the theory of the unitary executive. The executive has declared its right to suspend habeas corpus indefinitely, to tap anyone's phones without court warrants and to detain and torture anyone it decides is an "enemy combatant." In that sense, we have already left the realm of constitutional government in favor of a protectorate outside the law promising to keep us safe (but never from itself)."
https://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2008/09/how-democracies-become-dictatorships/211352/


Not 'supersedes', 'precedes'. The natural right of self-defense precedes the theory of democracy and the rule of law.
I have no intention of allowing myself to be disarmed in the face of the tyranny of the majority. In any case, the United States are not democracies, they are republics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGL8CiUtXF0


Oh, dear. Now you're walking very close to a very thin line.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

Oh, no, it's not implied, it's clearly stated and those same politicians are very aware of it. Hence the whole 'gun control debate' BS. Those same politicians would like nothing better than to disarm all of us. Then they'd be the only ones with the ability to assert their authority - Tyranny.

theotts

You and I and Clinton know an effort to ban guns wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell. That's playing to the audience, not an earnest proposal. When I said "supercedes..." I was assuming ordinary circumstances. If an Idi Amin came to power, "ordinary" would be out the window; but I think it's extraordinarily paranoid to assume that will happen. In any event, if a dictator controlled our armed forces, resistance would at best result in a protracted and bloody guerilla war. Think Syria here.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Democrats have been after a total gun ban for decades. Take a little piece at a time is the way it works.

Ban this gun, then ban that gun, ban guns with a certain "look", then ban a specific caliber of gun, then ban specific types of ammunition, then ban "high cap" magazines, put severe restrictions on gun ownership, make it extremely difficult to purchase handguns, ban hand guns in certain areas, create gun free zones--in other words, put the frog in a pot of cold water on the stove and turn on the heat.

DEMOCIDE: Death by government

theotts

Just paranoia cobbled up from hysterical NRA propaganda. There are certainly people who would have guns banned, but to advance such a proposal would be impolitic.
This is made worrisome by people who will wilfully spread scurrilous lies about anyone who has the temerity to stand up to their bullying.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Bullshit. There have been many attempts by democrat politicians to ban private ownership of guns completely. These attempts have occurred at both state and federal levels.

You should watch your consumption of the leftist kookaid, that is some potent shit.

theotts

Odd, then, that not one such has come to my attention.
I think you've been seeing Kelly Ann.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON