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Feb 18, 2017 15:01:53   #
emarine
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Thoughtful reply!



I think we should look a the concept of the video and apply it to the immigration issues we face today as a country.... We have a long history & a statue in New York Harbor offering a better way of life for ALL who legally apply & work within the system... The population of this planet is rapidly expanding ...things change... part of what made this country great was our ability to except many different people and try and live together productively... times change...are we still a productive country?... the real question is... are we capable of being the country who offered hope for a better life to all the world or not?... times change... How did we become great?...What is it now that makes us great?... Are we great because of our strength & wealth? or is it our humanity?... I think at one time it was both but times change... I have no good answer for this rant... sorry...

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Feb 18, 2017 15:19:41   #
chuckybrass
 
I think it should be noted that the U.S. is accepting of immigrants, but it should be a small percentage at a time. This revolving door policy of the last twenty years is totally unacceptable, and has been the downfall of our immigration plan that was so successful --- until now. Now, it is time to close the gates until the U.S. can get a grip and assimilate those that have flooded in recently.

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Feb 18, 2017 16:06:26   #
Morgan
 
emarine wrote:
I think we should look a the concept of the video and apply it to the immigration issues we face today as a country.... We have a long history & a statue in New York Harbor offering a better way of life for ALL who legally apply & work within the system... The population of this planet is rapidly expanding ...things change... part of what made this country great was our ability to except many different people and try and live together productively... times change...are we still a productive country?... the real question is... are we capable of being the country who offered hope for a better life to all the world or not?... times change... How did we become great?...What is it now that makes us great?... Are we great because of our strength & wealth? or is it our humanity?... I think at one time it was both but times change... I have no good answer for this rant... sorry...
I think we should look a the concept of the video ... (show quote)


Thank you emarine, for helping to clarify what the video was trying to suggest. We cannot be the worlds life boat, that isn't the way to fix the problem, and it is a world problem but we all live on our one world, we all affect each other whether we like it or not, even when doing nothing.

Our neighbors are all other countries. We can go down the Ayn Rand path of survival of the fittest and natural selection, or we can use our collective minds and find resolve. One within the balance of responsible population growth, caring for our environment and working together to teach people all over the world how to have the capabilities for their own prosperity.

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Feb 18, 2017 16:33:22   #
Morgan
 
chuckybrass wrote:
I think it should be noted that the U.S. is accepting of immigrants, but it should be a small percentage at a time. This revolving door policy of the last twenty years is totally unacceptable, and has been the downfall of our immigration plan that was so successful --- until now. Now, it is time to close the gates until the U.S. can get a grip and assimilate those that have flooded in recently.


Possibly to your surprise, I don't disagree with you as far as our own survival and welfare, if we wish to maintain our own economic status. How can we compete with the rate of labor from all over the world, with the billions of people working for less than $2.00 an hour. We would have to close our doors and buy and sell our own produced goods to support our own economy.

Then there's robots taking away our in house jobs. We continue to shoot ourselves in the foot. The corporation finds a way to cut costs have more profit while letting people go, who than can't afford to buy the goods.

Buying the goods is partly where Obama was referring to "you don't build it alone", it is also in the building of roads, transporting goods, etc. where we don't do it all alone, we need each other.

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Feb 18, 2017 16:43:05   #
chuckybrass
 
Morgan wrote:
Possibly to your surprise, I don't disagree with you as far as our own survival and welfare, if we wish to maintain our own economic status. How can we compete with the rate of labor from all over the world, with the billions of people working for less than $2.00 an hour. We would have to close our doors and buy and sell our own produced goods to support our own economy.

Then there's robots taking away our in house jobs. We continue to shoot ourselves in the foot. The corporation finds a way to cut costs have more profit while letting people go, who than can't afford to buy the goods.

Buying the goods is partly where Obama was referring to "you don't build it alone", it is also in the building of roads, transporting goods, etc. where we don't do it all alone, we need each other.
Possibly to your surprise, I don't disagree with y... (show quote)


We can survive it, and Trump is laying the groundwork to do just that. It is, however, going to be painful to all, and that can't be avoided. It will happen much faster next year when Trump gets more Congress support after the 2018 elections, because evidentally this Congress just doesn't have the kahunas, either. Progress always comes with friction, and with friction also comes a certain amount of pain.

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Feb 18, 2017 17:02:52   #
Morgan
 
chuckybrass wrote:
We can survive it, and Trump is laying the groundwork to do just that. It is, however, going to be painful to all, and that can't be avoided. It will happen much faster next year when Trump gets more Congress support after the 2018 elections, because evidentally this Congress just doesn't have the kahunas, either. Progress always comes with friction, and with friction also comes a certain amount of pain.


Time will tell, presently it is complete transparency with them in complete control and on what will unravel, the people will know, if they're still hurting in 2018 his people (rep.) won't get the vote. As it is now I don't think he will, an amazing 45% of the people didn't vote, hopefully they'll all come out to be heard in the next election.

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Feb 19, 2017 07:23:36   #
out of the woods Loc: to hell and gone New York State
 
This is out there but it strikes me, it is the ideology of America, our freedom and self determination that has made our Nation succeed. Yet we want to bring over all these immigrants and revert to ideologies that have failed as in socialism. We are not just allowing people inbut the poison that caused their nations of origin to be such miserable hell holes. Those who came when Ellis Island was in opperation were trying to escape from these failed systems, wanted to become part of a better one. Wanted the right to work hard and better themselves and the future of their families. Yes I come from immigrants but noone handed them anything, they learned a skill, where they saw a need and started small businesses. Handouts just breed dependancy aand draw in the wrong type of immigrants. It also breeds tremendous resentment from the people scrambling to make it , and they realize they also must finance the fat slackers big screen tv.
I work like a dog, have a used car free and clear, have no phone, as in cell because my children need them more, if I cant pay I don't have. And that is the way it should be.

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Feb 19, 2017 09:20:54   #
Morgan
 
out of the woods wrote:
This is out there but it strikes me, it is the ideology of America, our freedom and self determination that has made our Nation succeed. Yet we want to bring over all these immigrants and revert to ideologies that have failed as in socialism. We are not just allowing people inbut the poison that caused their nations of origin to be such miserable hell holes. Those who came when Ellis Island was in opperation were trying to escape from these failed systems, wanted to become part of a better one. Wanted the right to work hard and better themselves and the future of their families. Yes I come from immigrants but noone handed them anything, they learned a skill, where they saw a need and started small businesses. Handouts just breed dependancy aand draw in the wrong type of immigrants. It also breeds tremendous resentment from the people scrambling to make it , and they realize they also must finance the fat slackers big screen tv.
I work like a dog, have a used car free and clear, have no phone, as in cell because my children need them more, if I cant pay I don't have. And that is the way it should be.
This is out there but it strikes me, it is the ide... (show quote)



I don't see things very different today, did you know that most new local businesses are more from immigrants than citizens, and that's a good thing when we consider the flow of money stays circulating in the US with local business verses big business. Lets not forget the many that work like a dog and do without for their families also.

The biggest problem are people being uncomfortable with people they see so different they can't relate, but that is due to not seeing the commonalities. To be clear this is not including terrorists or how they raise their children, that is a separate issue.

People come to America for hope of a better future, they would stay in their homeland if they felt that was a possibility and this is where our energies and focus could be, rather than thinking of ways to keep them out. It wouldn't cost a thing except to have discussions, which I'm sure is being done, but not enough.

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Feb 19, 2017 09:44:29   #
chuckybrass
 
Immigrants bring more monetary buying power when they come in, and they are also given preferential treatment in business loans, plus a whole lot more. Just thought I would throw that out there for ya! Too bad the U.S. doesn't take care of its' own business owners like that!

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Feb 19, 2017 10:06:34   #
meridianlesilie Loc: mars
 
Morgan wrote:
I thought they proved their point very well, we're not going to solve the worlds problems by taking on all immigrants unhappy with their own country.

It is about teaching one to fish.
----------I AGREE ----- ALSO THERE GOVERNMENT MAY NOT MAKE IT EASY TO WORK & GET AHEAD ---- !! LIKE NORTH KOREA COMPARED TO SOUTH MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE A MEETING & DO IT LIKE DONALD TRUMP WOULD TELL THEOSE LEADERS OFF & MAKE THEM IMPROVE THERE OWN WAY OF LIFE OR WE SHOULD KILL THEM ALL OFF !!!!! WE CAN THREATING TO INVADE THERE COUNTRY & JUST KILL EVERYONE OFF IF THEY DO NOT IMPROVE --- SCARE THE SH&T OUT OF THEM SO THEY WOULD & WE CAN HELP TO GET THEM GOING RIGHT ..THERE GOVERNMENT MIGHT BE RESTRICTIVE THAT THE PEOPLE DO NOT CARE TO DO IT ON THERE OWN ---THAT MIGHT BE THE PROBLEM !!!!!!!

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Feb 19, 2017 10:23:47   #
snowbear37 Loc: MA.
 
Morgan wrote:
This is a very interesting video do not assume what you think it will say...please watch, it's enlightening and shows us the real place to attack the problem. Would love bipartisan feedback.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdHtrcXGYck


My question is...why is it up to us to help all these people?? Shouldn't their own countries be trying to help them? How can the U.S. help all the millions of people in the world when we have our own people that need help, such as the elderly, veterans, and our own poor? The only way these people can be truly helped is if their own governments help them. No matter what we do, the rest of the world will say that we don't do enough!

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Feb 19, 2017 11:16:06   #
Morgan
 
snowbear37 wrote:
My question is...why is it up to us to help all these people?? Shouldn't their own countries be trying to help them? How can the U.S. help all the millions of people in the world when we have our own people that need help, such as the elderly, veterans, and our own poor? The only way these people can be truly helped is if their own governments help them. No matter what we do, the rest of the world will say that we don't do enough!


It is not only up to us, it should be help from any on who can, as in the same instance when there is an emergency, all who can lend a hand, should. Do you think we never get assistance? Don't you remember Catrina, one of the first people to arrive to help were the Canadian's. Did they have to, was their attitude "why should we be the ones to help? Or did they not hesitate out of human compassion.

No one is saying to do this with neglecting any of our own.

But the point being that instead of building walls and holding people in camps, or deterring people coming over to be with their families, in the long run, helping countries by teaching them to build up their own prosperity, this not only helps them but it also helps us by not having this continuous enormous importation of aliens.

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Feb 19, 2017 11:21:30   #
Morgan
 
meridianlesilie wrote:
----------I AGREE ----- ALSO THERE GOVERNMENT MAY NOT MAKE IT EASY TO WORK & GET AHEAD ---- !! LIKE NORTH KOREA COMPARED TO SOUTH MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE A MEETING & DO IT LIKE DONALD TRUMP WOULD TELL THEOSE LEADERS OFF & MAKE THEM IMPROVE THERE OWN WAY OF LIFE OR WE SHOULD KILL THEM ALL OFF !!!!! WE CAN THREATING TO INVADE THERE COUNTRY & JUST KILL EVERYONE OFF IF THEY DO NOT IMPROVE --- SCARE THE SH&T OUT OF THEM SO THEY WOULD & WE CAN HELP TO GET THEM GOING RIGHT ..THERE GOVERNMENT MIGHT BE RESTRICTIVE THAT THE PEOPLE DO NOT CARE TO DO IT ON THERE OWN ---THAT MIGHT BE THE PROBLEM !!!!!!!
----------I AGREE ----- ALSO THERE GOVERNMENT MAY ... (show quote)


No one would do anything under those circumstances, that's simply being a strong armed bully. We want to work in an cooperative atmosphere in order to make positive changes. Showing them the benefits of the change would be a start.

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Feb 19, 2017 11:31:04   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
Morgan wrote:
No one would do anything under those circumstances, that's simply being a strong armed bully. We want to work in an cooperative atmosphere in order to make positive changes. Showing them the benefits of the change would be a start.


Like "they" tried to do last week?

I didn't even notice, did you?



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Feb 19, 2017 11:59:28   #
nellie
 
I volunteer at a Mission, over 20 years. The homeless are Veterans, White jobless returning Veterans with family. They DON'T quality for Welfare because their kids are not under school age or mother pregnant. Lots of white women some on drugs or alcohol. Sad, no jobs. The Refugees and illegals get Welfare and social security. They DON'T have to have paid into SS to get benefits. Recovery after rehab, 1out of 10 white or black. Rest Mexican. We don't take illegals. I have good experience with everyone and love working with these people, seeing them off drugs and alcohol. Lots of love and respect for each other. I am BLESSED.

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