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Feb 9, 2017 10:04:51   #
Morgan
 
...and we wonder how things keep on keeping on, without choosing the best people.

Watch and see who gets paid

https://www.thenation.com/article/betsy-devos-has-been-confirmed-now-the-fight-really-begins/

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Feb 9, 2017 12:59:21   #
Rivers
 
Morgan wrote:
...and we wonder how things keep on keeping on, without choosing the best people.

Watch and see who gets paid

https://www.thenation.com/article/betsy-devos-has-been-confirmed-now-the-fight-really-begins/


Trump chose the right person for the job. You liberals have no problem with the corrupt teachers unions though, do you?

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Feb 9, 2017 16:46:34   #
Morgan
 
Rivers wrote:
Trump chose the right person for the job. You liberals have no problem with the corrupt teachers unions though, do you?


Well we can see who's corrupt here per individual and who bought herself a position, and you have no problem with that, do you? But knowing you,you didn't even take the time to watch.

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Feb 9, 2017 17:28:09   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Morgan wrote:
...and we wonder how things keep on keeping on, without choosing the best people.

Watch and see who gets paid

https://www.thenation.com/article/betsy-devos-has-been-confirmed-now-the-fight-really-begins/



Personally I think they need to can the Dept of Education all together and leave it at the state level with federal funding needed for proven measures not the slush fund setting it is now..


Is it her wealth that sways you from her years within the now disabling Dept. Of Education that promoted common core as the best thing to ever happen for children??

Or is because your Web site is defined as:The Nation is the oldest continuously published weekly magazine in the United States, and the most widely read weekly journal of progressive political and cultural news, opinion and analysis... and they don't like her??

Or simply~~

Given DeVos’s history, she was bound to encounter opposition from a well-networked, well-organized group — public school teachers — almost from the start.

That’s because her major involvement with education has been as a strong supporter of school vouchers, which allow families to use public money to pay private school tuition. Vouchers aren’t particularly popular with the public at large, but they’re especially loathed by teachers and their unions, who have been against DeVos from the beginning


.Elisabeth Dee "Betsy" DeVos /dəˈvɒs/ (née Prince; born January 8, 1958) is the 11th United States Secretary of Education. Her background includes experience as a businesswoman, philanthropist and noted political campaign contributor[1][2]. DeVos is a member of the Republican Party known for her advocacy of school choice, school voucher programs, charter schools, and ties to the Reformed Christian community.[3][4][5] She was Republican National Committeewoman for Michigan from 1992 to 1997 and served as chairwoman of the Michigan Republican Party from 1996 to 2000, with reelection to the post in 2003. DeVos has been an advocate of the Detroit charter school system[6][7] and she is a member of the board of the Foundation for Excellence in Education. She has served as chairwoman of the board of Alliance for School Choice and Acton Institute and heads the All Children Matter PAC. DeVos is married to Dick DeVos, the former CEO of multi-level marketing company Amway, and is the daughter-in-law of billionaire and Amway co-founder Richard DeVos.[8][9] Her brother, Erik Prince, a former U.S. Navy SEAL officer, is the founder of Blackwater USA.[10] DeVos is the daughter of Edgar Prince, founder of the Prince Corporation.[11][12]

She may lack having been a teacher but she has a strong conviction to further education for our children, putting her money where her mouth is... Is she perfect, doubtful but she is committed to the cause...

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Feb 9, 2017 17:32:14   #
Sons of Liberty Loc: look behind you!
 
lindajoy wrote:
Personally I think they need to can the Dept of Education all together and leave it at the state level with federal funding needed for proven measures not the slush fund setting it is now..


Is it her wealth that sways you from her years within the now disabling Dept. Of Education that promoted common core as the best thing to ever happen for children??

Or is because your Web site is defined as:The Nation is the oldest continuously published weekly magazine in the United States, and the most widely read weekly journal of progressive political and cultural news, opinion and analysis... and they don't like her??

Or simply~~

Given DeVos’s history, she was bound to encounter opposition from a well-networked, well-organized group — public school teachers — almost from the start.

That’s because her major involvement with education has been as a strong supporter of school vouchers, which allow families to use public money to pay private school tuition. Vouchers aren’t particularly popular with the public at large, but they’re especially loathed by teachers and their unions, who have been against DeVos from the beginning


.Elisabeth Dee "Betsy" DeVos /dəˈvɒs/ (née Prince; born January 8, 1958) is the 11th United States Secretary of Education. Her background includes experience as a businesswoman, philanthropist and noted political campaign contributor[1][2]. DeVos is a member of the Republican Party known for her advocacy of school choice, school voucher programs, charter schools, and ties to the Reformed Christian community.[3][4][5] She was Republican National Committeewoman for Michigan from 1992 to 1997 and served as chairwoman of the Michigan Republican Party from 1996 to 2000, with reelection to the post in 2003. DeVos has been an advocate of the Detroit charter school system[6][7] and she is a member of the board of the Foundation for Excellence in Education. She has served as chairwoman of the board of Alliance for School Choice and Acton Institute and heads the All Children Matter PAC. DeVos is married to Dick DeVos, the former CEO of multi-level marketing company Amway, and is the daughter-in-law of billionaire and Amway co-founder Richard DeVos.[8][9] Her brother, Erik Prince, a former U.S. Navy SEAL officer, is the founder of Blackwater USA.[10] DeVos is the daughter of Edgar Prince, founder of the Prince Corporation.[11][12]

She may lack having been a teacher but she has a strong conviction to further education for our children, putting her money where her mouth is... Is she perfect, doubtful but she is committed to the cause...
Personally I think they need to can the Dept of Ed... (show quote)


Right on!!! Dismantle the DOE and put an end to common core.

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Feb 9, 2017 17:56:45   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
It
Sons of Liberty wrote:
Right on!!! Dismantle the DOE and put an end to common core.


She will CAN common core no doubt about it.. Quickly too.. She nor Trump support it..

DOE is a pathetic joke... They run it not by student needs but rather the slush fund program for their needs, a business measured by head count, not academic ahievement that they have dumbed down for minority status passage of grades!!

My sister in law is a Guidance counselor now, spending 22 yrs in it and is retiring at the ripe old age of 44 because she is appalled with what it isn't anymore...Now it's cut budgets, cut classes, and measured by accessment level of the school performance, in funding rather than the student achievements..

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Feb 9, 2017 19:03:50   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
Morgan wrote:
Well we can see who's corrupt here per individual and who bought herself a position, and you have no problem with that, do you? But knowing you,you didn't even take the time to watch.


Morgan-Betsy wants children to have the opportunity to learn. Democrats are deathly fearful that their precious teachers' unions, which protects non performing teachers, might be held accountable or disbanded as they should be. If the public education system wants to survive let them turn-out educated children as opposed to promoting them because it is politically correct not to hold a child back. There are some teachers out there who can barely speak English. How can they teach the proper pronunciation of certain words if they cannot properly pronounce them ?
The Edu Dept needs a complete shake-up and ineffective teachers need to be fired. America First !!!

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Feb 9, 2017 20:31:24   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Ricko wrote:
Morgan-Betsy wants children to have the opportunity to learn. Democrats are deathly fearful that their precious teachers' unions, which protects non performing teachers, might be held accountable or disbanded as they should be. If the public education system wants to survive let them turn-out educated children as opposed to promoting them because it is politically correct not to hold a child back. There are some teachers out there who can barely speak English. How can they teach the proper pronunciation of certain words if they cannot properly pronounce them ?
The Edu Dept needs a complete shake-up and ineffective teachers need to be fired. America First !!!
Morgan-Betsy wants children to have the opportunit... (show quote)


Well Rick, while you are absolutely right about the Teachers Union here's a tid bit for you and Liberty whom also agrees we should simply can the Dept of Education.. But you know as well as I that the Teachers Union has been actively involved in more politics than their supposed representation of Teachers ~~I love this !! Doubtful, but with President Trump who doesn't think much about the DOE it may and should happen..With politics anything is possible..

http://freedomoutpost.com/congressman-seeks-abolish-dept-education-1-sentence-bill/

The united States Constitution grants absolutely zero authority in the matter of education to the central government. Article ten of the Bill of Rights states, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” So, why are so many conservatives cheering the confirmation of Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos to the position of an unconstitutional department rather than being outraged that it continues almost 40 years after it was illegally created? Congressman Thomas Massie is taking it sitting down and has introduced legislation to abolish the unconstitutional department, and it only took one sentence to write it.

For starters, let’s listen to whom conservatives champion most, President Ronald Reagan. Just two years after the Department of Education was created, Reagan addressed the nation on September 24, 1981 and said the following.

“As a third step, we propose to dismantle two Cabinet Departments, Energy and Education. Both Secretaries are wholly in accord with this. Some of the activities in both of these departments will, of course, be continued either independently or in other areas of government. There’s only one way to shrink the size and cost of big government, and that is by eliminating agencies that are not needed and are getting in the way of a solution. Now, we don’t need an Energy Department to solve our basic energy problem. As long as we let the forces of the marketplace work without undue interference, the ingenuity of consumers, business, producers, and inventors will do that for us. Similarly, education is the principal responsibility of local school systems, teachers, parents, citizen boards, and State governments. By eliminating the Department of Education less than 2 years after it was created, we cannot only reduce the budget but ensure that local needs and preferences, rather than the wishes of Washington, determine the education of our children.”

It is my opinion that this is why we often lose. We compromise principles we should not. We justify doing what is illegal and lawless for the sake of progressivism or incrementalism. It doesn’t work. The longer something continues, the more comfortable people become with its continuance.

To that end, I’m happy to hear to hear that Kentucky Representative Thomas Massie (R) has introduced legislation to abolish the Department of Education.

The Department of Education shall terminate on December 31, 2018

Snip~\keep reading please

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Feb 9, 2017 20:45:37   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
lindajoy wrote:
Well Rick, while you are absolutely right about the Teachers Union here's a tid bit for you and Liberty whom also agrees we should simply can the Dept of Education.. But you know as well as I that the Teachers Union has been actively involved in more politics than their supposed representation of Teachers ~~I love this !! Doubtful, but with President Trump who doesn't think much about the DOE it may and should happen..With politics anything is possible..

http://freedomoutpost.com/congressman-seeks-abolish-dept-education-1-sentence-bill/

The united States Constitution grants absolutely zero authority in the matter of education to the central government. Article ten of the Bill of Rights states, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” So, why are so many conservatives cheering the confirmation of Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos to the position of an unconstitutional department rather than being outraged that it continues almost 40 years after it was illegally created? Congressman Thomas Massie is taking it sitting down and has introduced legislation to abolish the unconstitutional department, and it only took one sentence to write it.

For starters, let’s listen to whom conservatives champion most, President Ronald Reagan. Just two years after the Department of Education was created, Reagan addressed the nation on September 24, 1981 and said the following.

“As a third step, we propose to dismantle two Cabinet Departments, Energy and Education. Both Secretaries are wholly in accord with this. Some of the activities in both of these departments will, of course, be continued either independently or in other areas of government. There’s only one way to shrink the size and cost of big government, and that is by eliminating agencies that are not needed and are getting in the way of a solution. Now, we don’t need an Energy Department to solve our basic energy problem. As long as we let the forces of the marketplace work without undue interference, the ingenuity of consumers, business, producers, and inventors will do that for us. Similarly, education is the principal responsibility of local school systems, teachers, parents, citizen boards, and State governments. By eliminating the Department of Education less than 2 years after it was created, we cannot only reduce the budget but ensure that local needs and preferences, rather than the wishes of Washington, determine the education of our children.”

It is my opinion that this is why we often lose. We compromise principles we should not. We justify doing what is illegal and lawless for the sake of progressivism or incrementalism. It doesn’t work. The longer something continues, the more comfortable people become with its continuance.

To that end, I’m happy to hear to hear that Kentucky Representative Thomas Massie (R) has introduced legislation to abolish the Department of Education.

The Department of Education shall terminate on December 31, 2018

Snip~\keep reading please
Well Rick, while you are absolutely right about th... (show quote)


Linda-I like the idea of returning education to the States but would love to see the teachers' union become a thing of the past. In fact I would like to see all public sector unions disbanded. I wonder if teachers in " Right to Work" States have to join the union in order to teach in that State ? America First !!!

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Feb 9, 2017 20:54:49   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Ricko wrote:
Linda-I like the idea of returning education to the States but would love to see the teachers' union become a thing of the past. In fact I would like to see all public sector unions disbanded. I wonder if teachers in " Right to Work" States have to join the union in order to teach in that State ? America First !!!


I love the idea of shutting it down!!

As for your question ~~when first entering the field, you hear a lot about teachers unions and joining to support the voice of all teachers .. And depending on where you teach, you may be forced to pay dues to the union. If not, you need to decide whether or not to join...By law, teachers can not be forced to join the union as it is set up as voluntary...If they can the DOE it will severely limit the Union...Laws are in place to cover any issue a teacher may face anymore...

Relative to "Right to Work" States it is dependant upon whether or not there is a contract of employment... If there is then the contract supercedes the right to Work statute...

May I ask you what you think about DeVos??

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Feb 9, 2017 21:16:35   #
Sons of Liberty Loc: look behind you!
 
lindajoy wrote:
I love the idea of shutting it down!!

As for your question ~~when first entering the field, you hear a lot about teachers unions and joining to support the voice of all teachers .. And depending on where you teach, you may be forced to pay dues to the union. If not, you need to decide whether or not to join...By law, teachers can not be forced to join the union as it is set up as voluntary...If they can the DOE it will severely limit the Union...Laws are in place to cover any issue a teacher may face anymore...

Relative to "Right to Work" States it is dependant upon whether or not there is a contract of employment... If there is then the contract supercedes the right to Work statute...

May I ask you what you think about DeVos??
I love the idea of shutting it down!! br br As fo... (show quote)


Did you know that teachers receive 90% of the salary they made while teaching when they retire. I have four aunts who were teachers and one is still a principle retiring after this year.

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Feb 9, 2017 21:37:24   #
Sons of Liberty Loc: look behind you!
 
lindajoy wrote:
Well Rick, while you are absolutely right about the Teachers Union here's a tid bit for you and Liberty whom also agrees we should simply can the Dept of Education.. But you know as well as I that the Teachers Union has been actively involved in more politics than their supposed representation of Teachers ~~I love this !! Doubtful, but with President Trump who doesn't think much about the DOE it may and should happen..With politics anything is possible..

http://freedomoutpost.com/congressman-seeks-abolish-dept-education-1-sentence-bill/

The united States Constitution grants absolutely zero authority in the matter of education to the central government. Article ten of the Bill of Rights states, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” So, why are so many conservatives cheering the confirmation of Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos to the position of an unconstitutional department rather than being outraged that it continues almost 40 years after it was illegally created? Congressman Thomas Massie is taking it sitting down and has introduced legislation to abolish the unconstitutional department, and it only took one sentence to write it.

For starters, let’s listen to whom conservatives champion most, President Ronald Reagan. Just two years after the Department of Education was created, Reagan addressed the nation on September 24, 1981 and said the following.

“As a third step, we propose to dismantle two Cabinet Departments, Energy and Education. Both Secretaries are wholly in accord with this. Some of the activities in both of these departments will, of course, be continued either independently or in other areas of government. There’s only one way to shrink the size and cost of big government, and that is by eliminating agencies that are not needed and are getting in the way of a solution. Now, we don’t need an Energy Department to solve our basic energy problem. As long as we let the forces of the marketplace work without undue interference, the ingenuity of consumers, business, producers, and inventors will do that for us. Similarly, education is the principal responsibility of local school systems, teachers, parents, citizen boards, and State governments. By eliminating the Department of Education less than 2 years after it was created, we cannot only reduce the budget but ensure that local needs and preferences, rather than the wishes of Washington, determine the education of our children.”

It is my opinion that this is why we often lose. We compromise principles we should not. We justify doing what is illegal and lawless for the sake of progressivism or incrementalism. It doesn’t work. The longer something continues, the more comfortable people become with its continuance.

To that end, I’m happy to hear to hear that Kentucky Representative Thomas Massie (R) has introduced legislation to abolish the Department of Education.

The Department of Education shall terminate on December 31, 2018

Snip~\keep reading please
Well Rick, while you are absolutely right about th... (show quote)



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Feb 9, 2017 21:39:25   #
Carol Kelly
 
Rivers wrote:
Trump chose the right person for the job. You liberals have no problem with the corrupt teachers unions though, do you?



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Feb 9, 2017 21:43:45   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Sons of Liberty wrote:
Did you know that teachers receive 90% of the salary they made while teaching when they retire. I have four aunts who were teachers and one is still a principle retiring after this year.


No, Liberty, I did not no that.. Wow, 90%
Is certainly unheard of now a days!! Have they ever been challenged wanting to reduce that amount or did they simply re~ write it for new teachers coming or is it still 90% ....

Rahm tried to modify the pension plan of the police dept, paying less and removing insurance as long as the retiree wanted it.. the premium is removed from the payable benefit.. He lost as the a union took it to court.. Now it's reflective on new hires, not existing employees..

I'm curious did your aunts ever express their opinion about the union or common core??

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Feb 9, 2017 21:49:18   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Sons of Liberty wrote:
img src="https://static.onepoliticalplaza.com/ima... (show quote)


I thought you may be pleased about this.. Ironic we are here talking about canning it and bam there it is!!

Got some strong positive energy we're all sending out...

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