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Feb 10, 2017 19:34:18   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Morgan wrote:
Tell me what you think common core is.

It has nothing to do with the method of teaching, that you should take up with his teacher.

...and this is not what the post was about, but of what else is new, and not your fault


Nothing go do with the government you say...

Nothing to do with school if they are at the National average, as you claim your son's school was not, and now you say
It has nothing to do with the method of teaching????

Just exactly who is responsibility for it then??? And who is teaching it if not teachers?? And how would DeVos be so instrumental in her position as the Secretary of Education working in DC, if government isn't involved???

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Feb 10, 2017 21:10:20   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Thank You~~Rather long and a good article too.. Thank you for posting the entire article rather than just some of it as done in the past..

All probably moot if it gets shut down but a good topic nonetheless...

My first comment relates to BTW this was Bushs' induction, not BOs... Who made reference to either before you now?

Secondly, actually the purview of looking at how to enhance Education actually goes back to Reagan and tweaked along the way by each President with BO being the "Common Core" goddess..

A lot of great info in your article as to how and who did what.. The verbiage also interesting when we get to
Napolitano who was well aware of the political diversity looking for ways around it I believe it says...Or clearly implies...

Just about everything here speaks of how they needed to usurp any awareness that government was involved.. And the tell tale in all of it, "Federal funding being tied to it". No matter what is said in this nice story, federal funding comes from government..Its been a part of government intent back to the 1990s..

I did find this interesting and rather telling~~
So Napolitano created a task force – composed of commissioners of education, governors, corporate chief executive officers and recognized experts in higher education – which in December 2008 released a report that Linn says would eventually serve as the building blocks of what became known as the Common Core State Standards, now adopted by 45 states and the District of Columbia.

Rick Hess, a resident scholar and director of education policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute, says the Common Core standards also have roots in No Child Left Behind. Under the President George W. Bush-era education law, the federal government required states to test, disaggregate and report data on student performance, but allowed states to continue deciding on their own which standards and tests to use.

"The problem with that is if you had hard tests or hard standards you made your schools look bad. So there was a real, kind of perverse incentive baked into NCLB," Hess says. The desire to correct that mistake, Hess says, led to the creation of what became the Common Core. ~~~ So the answer reduce the standards so all States had easier qualifiers.....

That's why proponents of the Common Core say they had to tread lightly and ensure that the effort was an absolutely state-led initiative.

Following the task force report, the NGA – along with the Council of Chief State School Officers and the nonprofit education reform group Achieve – came together to make sure the goals of the report ..
Then came the arduous task of deciding what exactly should be included in the English Language Arts and mathematics standards. The entire purpose of the standards, Linn says, was to determine what students need to know and demonstrate the ability to do in order to be prepared for an entry-level college course.

For some states, that task would prove more difficult than others because academic standards varied widely from state to state. For Massachusetts, which historically has had very high academic standards, Linn says, it was important that the Common Core was equal to or greater than the current state standards. But in other states, like Tennessee, standards were much lower.

What's more important?" Linn asks. "To tell the truth to parents about where their kids are really performing? Or to continue to make them believe they're doing really well, only until they get into the workforce or they go to college and they're finding out they need to be put in a remedial English class?" is this not what is exactly taking place with our children entering college or work??

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Feb 11, 2017 07:53:34   #
Morgan
 
lindajoy wrote:
Nothing go do with the government you say...

Nothing to do with school if they are at the National average, as you claim your son's school was not, and now you say
It has nothing to do with the method of teaching????

Just exactly who is responsibility for it then??? And who is teaching it if not teachers?? And how would DeVos be so instrumental in her position as the Secretary of Education working in DC, if government isn't involved???


How do you do this, I've said the complete opposite, that it has everything to do with the school and it's methodology. I never claimed my son was not. He excelled in his school with an above 95%had been above average in both cases state and yet his performance on national was not as high, but you must be intentionally obtuse.

your quote:"The problem with that is if you had hard tests or hard standards you made your schools look bad. So there was a real, kind of perverse incentive baked into NCLB," Hess says. The desire to correct that mistake, Hess says, led to the creation of what became the Common Core. ~~~ So the answer reduce the standards so all States had easier qualifiers.....end quote

Where is this "my" school, this was a public school I was referring to at a later time.

I never stated the government wasn't involved, I was pointing out how through common core it was striving to find resolve, and still working on it.
Go back and read what I wrote, you've never comprehended my post, no reason to discuss it with you further. You twist everything to suit yourself. Common core was created to raise the standard.

When one considers a position in any department head, included in their resume is the character and staure of the person, buying ones position shows lack of integrity...period.

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Feb 11, 2017 10:29:11   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Morgan wrote:
How do you do this, I've said the complete opposite, that it has everything to do with the school and it's methodology. I never claimed my son was not. He excelled in his school with an above 95%had been above average in both cases state and yet his performance on national was not as high, but you must be intentionally obtuse.

your quote:"The problem with that is if you had hard tests or hard standards you made your schools look bad. So there was a real, kind of perverse incentive baked into NCLB," Hess says. The desire to correct that mistake, Hess says, led to the creation of what became the Common Core. ~~~ So the answer reduce the standards so all States had easier qualifiers.....end quote

Where is this "my" school, this was a public school I was referring to at a later time.

I never stated the government wasn't involved, I was pointing out how through common core it was striving to find resolve, and still working on it.
Go back and read what I wrote, you've never comprehended my post, no reason to discuss it with you further. You twist everything to suit yourself. Common core was created to raise the standard.

When one considers a position in any department head, included in their resume is the character and staure of the person, buying ones position shows lack of integrity...period.
How do you do this, I've said the complete opposit... (show quote)



I don't need to go back and read your posts, they speak for themself.. A couple comments to consider..

"It has nothing to do with the method of teaching, that you should take up with his teacher." Is this your post, Morgan??

"This may be true, but not the fault of the Federal government, if your looking to fix the problem with them, the problem will never be fixed. "
Also your post??

So you have said, it isn't goverment..
You have said it isn't the school or method of teaching..And yes, you have said it was the methodology .. which is confusing at the very least....I comprehend just fine the problem is your opinion vasilates easily causing some misunderstanding or confusion...

Not to worry, I do the same thing, not being clear at times..I just want clarity of position... If you view reading your vasiliating comments as twist, then that's your opinion...I can live with that..

As it relates DeVos, it is your opinion she bought her way to the position she is now while giving zero credit for her years fighting the cause for better education developing and supporting charters over public schools..vouchers for all enabling the poor to also gain admission etc..

And finally, do you know how many politicians are bought and paid for with every special interest group there is just so their agendas are furthered??? While I agree with you that it is a character Issue, DeVos has given away millions for school enhancement...

Here's another cut and paste in recognition of all she had done to fight the cause for better educstion..
It being your position she bought her title I'd say spending 20 yrs fighting and spending millions of her own money isn't buying but giving ...

Education activism
Christian motivation
DeVos in 2001 listed education activism and reform efforts as a means to "advance God’s Kingdom".[5][6] In an interview that year, she also said that "changing the way we approach ... the system of education in the country ... really may have greater Kingdom gain in the long run".[5]

School choice
DeVos believes education in the United States should be opened up to for-profit charter schools, and she has stated that education is "a closed system, a closed industry, a closed market. It's a monopoly, a dead end."[113] DeVos believes that opening up the education market will offer parents increased choice, a view that critics call a drive to privatize the American public education system.[113]

School vouchers
DeVos is known as a "a fierce proponent of school vouchers" that would allow students to attend private schools with public funding.[114] According to The New York Times, it "is hard to find anyone more passionate about the idea of steering public dollars away from traditional public schools than Betsy DeVos".[61]

DeVos served as chairwoman of the board of Alliance for School Choice.[115] Until November 2016,[116] she headed the All Children Matter PAC which she and her husband founded in 2003 to promote school vouchers, tax credits to businesses that give private school scholarships, and candidates who support these causes.[117] Over the years, DeVos and her husband have provided millions in funding for the organization. In 2008, All Children Matter was fined $5.2 million in Ohio for illegally laundering money into political campaign funds.[118][119] DeVos was not named in the case.[120] The fine remained unpaid as of 2017, prompting calls by Democratic Party lawmakers for DeVos to settle the debt.[121][122]

Her other activities on behalf of public-school reform have included membership on the boards of directors of the Advocates for School Choice, the American Education Reform Council, and the Education Freedom Fund.[123] She has chaired the boards of Choices for Children, and Great Lakes Education Project (GLEP).[124]

DeVos is Chair of the American Federation for Children (AFC). Affiliated with the Alliance for School Choice, the AFC describes itself as "a leading national advocacy organization promoting school choice, with a specific focus on advocating for school vouchers and scholarship tax credit programs".[125]

During the 1990s, she served on the boards of Children First America and the American Education Reform Council, which sought to expand school choice through vouchers and tax credits. She and her husband worked for the successful passage of Michigan's first charter-school bill in 1993,[60] and for the unsuccessful effort in 2000 to amend Michigan's constitution to allow tax-credit scholarships or vouchers. In response to that defeat, DeVos started a PAC, the Great Lakes Education Project, which championed charter schools. DeVos's husband and John Walton then founded All Children Matter, a political organization, which she chaired.[126]

Detroit charter school system
DeVos has been an advocate for the Detroit charter school system. Douglas N. Harris, professor of Economics at Tulane University, wrote in a 2016 New York Times op-ed that DeVos was partly responsible for "what even charter advocates acknowledge is the biggest school reform disaster in the country". In the National Assessment of Educational Progress, Detroit had the lowest reading and mathematics scores "by far" over any city participating in the evaluation. She designed a system with no oversight, said Harris, and where schools that do poorly can continue to enroll students.[127]

Ramesh Ponnuru of National Review said that "some 47 percent of charter schools in Detroit significantly outperform[ed] traditional public schools in reading".[128] Defending DeVos's record in Michigan, Jay P. Greene, professor of Education Policy at the University of Arkansas argued Harris's New York Times article misled readers on the evidence and "falsely claimed that Detroit has failed to close failing charter schools", noting that Detroit has closed more charters than Louisiana, a state Harris cites as a model for charter school legislation.[129]

In a written response to a question about charter school performance posed during DeVos's confirmation hearing by Senator Patty Murray (D-WA), asking "why do you think their performance is so poor?", DeVos defended the charter school system using graduation rates that were significantly higher than those used for state and federal accountability purposes. DeVos provided examples of several charter schools that she said had 4-year graduation exceeding 90%. These examples were contested by Columbia University professor Aaron Pallas and Education Week reporter Ben Herold on the basis that the actual graduation rates were roughly only half as large as DeVos had stated.[130][131]

Grading system
DeVos and Joel Klein said in a May 2013 op-ed that residents of Maine "are now given information on school performance using easy-to-understand report cards with the same A, B, C, D and F designations used in student grades". This system, they argued, "truly motivates parents and the community to get involved by simply taking information that education officials have had for years and presenting it in a way that is more easily understood."[132]

Betsy and Dick DeVos Scholars for Free Enterprise and Entrepreneurship Scholarship
The DeVoses have also established an annual scholarship, called the Betsy and Dick DeVos Scholars for Free Enterprise and Entrepreneurship Scholarship, which is awarded to students earning a BBA or combined BBA/MBA at Northwood University.[133]

Foundation for Excellence in Education
DeVos is a member of the board of the Foundation for Excellence in Education (ExcelinEd),[134] a think tank founded by Jeb Bush whose stated goal is to "build an American education system that equips every child to achieve his or her God-given potential".[135]

And in closing let's remember all of this may be moot shortly and won't mean a thing... Not that it does now anyway...Government is going to do what they are going to do regardless of how we feel about it...Unfortunately..But we have to keep trying to make it better... And we never give up in that endeavor....

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Feb 11, 2017 15:05:59   #
Morgan
 
lindajoy wrote:
I don't need to go back and read your posts, they speak for themself.. A couple comments to consider..

"It has nothing to do with the method of teaching, that you should take up with his teacher." Is this your post, Morgan??

This comment of mine is taken out of context since you left out what I was commenting to. I was referring to what common core is, which is a standard, and not to the quality of teaching and learning ability. If my comment is read alone as you put it here it can be very easily misconstrued...once again with you.

"This may be true, but not the fault of the Federal government, if your looking to fix the problem with them, the problem will never be fixed. "
Also your post??
Yes correct, again... referring to common core, which is simply a bar to reach, it is the individual school that chooses how to meet that endeavor, and that is through the schools and not the government.

So you have said, it isn't goverment..
You have said it isn't the school or method of teaching..And yes, you have said it was the methodology .. which is confusing at the very least....I comprehend just fine the problem is your opinion vasilates easily causing some misunderstanding or confusion...

No I am not oscillating, this is you getting confused with the posts, on one hand we are discussing common core and on the other we're talking about the lack of education that is being achieved...or not. Two very different topics. One has to to with the method of how children are being taught, the other is to simply reach that desired goal in order to receive funding from the Federal government. A School can choose to opt out of Federal funding and keep it within the state alone. [/u]

Not to worry, I do the same thing, not being clear at times..I just want clarity of position... If you view reading your vasiliating comments as twist, then that's your opinion...I can live with that..

I am not vacillating at all, again reread each post and you will see the two different topics.

As it relates DeVos, it is your opinion she bought her way to the position she is now while giving zero credit for her years fighting the cause for better education developing and supporting charters over public schools..vouchers for all enabling the poor to also gain admission etc..

And finally, do you know how many politicians are bought and paid for with every special interest group there is just so their agendas are furthered??? While I agree with you that it is a character Issue, DeVos has given away millions for school enhancement...

Here's another cut and paste in recognition of all she had done to fight the cause for better educstion..
It being your position she bought her title I'd say spending 20 yrs fighting and spending millions of her own money isn't buying but giving ...

Education activism
Christian motivation
DeVos in 2001 listed education activism and reform efforts as a means to "advance God’s Kingdom".[5][6] In an interview that year, she also said that "changing the way we approach ... the system of education in the country ... really may have greater Kingdom gain in the long run".[5]

School choice
DeVos believes education in the United States should be opened up to for-profit charter schools, and she has stated that education is "a closed system, a closed industry, a closed market. It's a monopoly, a dead end."[113] DeVos believes that opening up the education market will offer parents increased choice, a view that critics call a drive to privatize the American public education system.[113]

School vouchers
DeVos is known as a "a fierce proponent of school vouchers" that would allow students to attend private schools with public funding.[114] According to The New York Times, it "is hard to find anyone more passionate about the idea of steering public dollars away from traditional public schools than Betsy DeVos".[61]

DeVos served as chairwoman of the board of Alliance for School Choice.[115] Until November 2016,[116] she headed the All Children Matter PAC which she and her husband founded in 2003 to promote school vouchers, tax credits to businesses that give private school scholarships, and candidates who support these causes.[117] Over the years, DeVos and her husband have provided millions in funding for the organization. In 2008, All Children Matter was fined $5.2 million in Ohio for illegally laundering money into political campaign funds.[118][119] DeVos was not named in the case.[120] The fine remained unpaid as of 2017, prompting calls by Democratic Party lawmakers for DeVos to settle the debt.[121][122]

Her other activities on behalf of public-school reform have included membership on the boards of directors of the Advocates for School Choice, the American Education Reform Council, and the Education Freedom Fund.[123] She has chaired the boards of Choices for Children, and Great Lakes Education Project (GLEP).[124]

DeVos is Chair of the American Federation for Children (AFC). Affiliated with the Alliance for School Choice, the AFC describes itself as "a leading national advocacy organization promoting school choice, with a specific focus on advocating for school vouchers and scholarship tax credit programs".[125]

During the 1990s, she served on the boards of Children First America and the American Education Reform Council, which sought to expand school choice through vouchers and tax credits. She and her husband worked for the successful passage of Michigan's first charter-school bill in 1993,[60] and for the unsuccessful effort in 2000 to amend Michigan's constitution to allow tax-credit scholarships or vouchers. In response to that defeat, DeVos started a PAC, the Great Lakes Education Project, which championed charter schools. DeVos's husband and John Walton then founded All Children Matter, a political organization, which she chaired.[126]

Detroit charter school system
DeVos has been an advocate for the Detroit charter school system. Douglas N. Harris, professor of Economics at Tulane University, wrote in a 2016 New York Times op-ed that DeVos was partly responsible for "what even charter advocates acknowledge is the biggest school reform disaster in the country". In the National Assessment of Educational Progress, Detroit had the lowest reading and mathematics scores "by far" over any city participating in the evaluation. She designed a system with no oversight, said Harris, and where schools that do poorly can continue to enroll students.[127]

Ramesh Ponnuru of National Review said that "some 47 percent of charter schools in Detroit significantly outperform[ed] traditional public schools in reading".[128] Defending DeVos's record in Michigan, Jay P. Greene, professor of Education Policy at the University of Arkansas argued Harris's New York Times article misled readers on the evidence and "falsely claimed that Detroit has failed to close failing charter schools", noting that Detroit has closed more charters than Louisiana, a state Harris cites as a model for charter school legislation.[129]

In a written response to a question about charter school performance posed during DeVos's confirmation hearing by Senator Patty Murray (D-WA), asking "why do you think their performance is so poor?", DeVos defended the charter school system using graduation rates that were significantly higher than those used for state and federal accountability purposes. DeVos provided examples of several charter schools that she said had 4-year graduation exceeding 90%. These examples were contested by Columbia University professor Aaron Pallas and Education Week reporter Ben Herold on the basis that the actual graduation rates were roughly only half as large as DeVos had stated.[130][131]

Grading system
DeVos and Joel Klein said in a May 2013 op-ed that residents of Maine "are now given information on school performance using easy-to-understand report cards with the same A, B, C, D and F designations used in student grades". This system, they argued, "truly motivates parents and the community to get involved by simply taking information that education officials have had for years and presenting it in a way that is more easily understood."[132]

Betsy and Dick DeVos Scholars for Free Enterprise and Entrepreneurship Scholarship
The DeVoses have also established an annual scholarship, called the Betsy and Dick DeVos Scholars for Free Enterprise and Entrepreneurship Scholarship, which is awarded to students earning a BBA or combined BBA/MBA at Northwood University.[133]

Foundation for Excellence in Education
DeVos is a member of the board of the Foundation for Excellence in Education (ExcelinEd),[134] a think tank founded by Jeb Bush whose stated goal is to "build an American education system that equips every child to achieve his or her God-given potential".[135]

And in closing let's remember all of this may be moot shortly and won't mean a thing... Not that it does now anyway...Government is going to do what they are going to do regardless of how we feel about it...Unfortunately..But we have to keep trying to make it better... And we never give up in that endeavor....
I don't need to go back and read your posts, they ... (show quote)



All corporate entities want everything capitalized and for profit, and when some families can't pay for their children to go to even the "Cheapest School" they will go and work...as Newt Gingrich himself has said(send them to work with their parents). Do you really think this is the way to make America strong? Or will these poor children continue to become criminals and part of the permanently incarcerated, a drain on tax dollars and society, but to be clear what has become a for profit business, though on the books not necessarily stated as such.

No I am not for vouchers to pay for private schools and choose by some sort of lottery or choice who gets to go. Privatized schools will only exempt children from learning.

As a society with our future built on our youth, we need to invest in them to become as productive and self sufficient as possible. I agree we must find ways to make things better, and in my opinion that would be to be able to extend learning to the higher levels beyond high school, including trade schools, and not out source jobs to foreign countries.

One other point if she was so great why did she have to pay people off? Why couldn't she have counted on their vote to begin with

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Feb 11, 2017 19:59:13   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Morgan wrote:
All corporate entities want everything capitalized and for profit, and when some families can't pay for their children to go to even the "Cheapest School" they will go and work...as Newt Gingrich himself has said(send them to work with their parents). Do you really think this is the way to make America strong? Or will these poor children continue to become criminals and part of the permanently incarcerated, a drain on tax dollars and society, but to be clear what has become a for profit business, though on the books not necessarily stated as such.

No I am not for vouchers to pay for private schools and choose by some sort of lottery or choice who gets to go. Privatized schools will only exempt children from learning.

As a society with our future built on our youth, we need to invest in them to become as productive and self sufficient as possible. I agree we must find ways to make things better, and in my opinion that would be to be able to extend learning to the higher levels beyond high school, including trade schools, and not out source jobs to foreign countries.

One other point if she was so great why did she have to pay people off? Why couldn't she have counted on their vote to begin with
u All corporate entities want everything capitali... (show quote)


Our positions clear~~ she didn't pay people off, you believe she did....

c'est la vie

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Feb 12, 2017 10:46:11   #
Morgan
 
lindajoy wrote:
Our positions clear~~ she didn't pay people off, you believe she did....

c'est la vie



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