Loki Loc: Georgia

No more than your impotent barking about the popular vote, the popular vote, the popular vote. Once more, moon unit, if you don't like the Electoral College there is a process to change or abolish it. You should get busy. Oh, that's right. You would rather join your fellow Hobbit Dancers in paroxysms of rage because you didn't get your way. The Constitutional Amendment necessary to alter or abolish the Electoral College is a little too much like work for you people.

straightUp Loc: California

The popular vote is the ONLY actual count of how people actually voted. You just don't like to to hear about it.


Once more, retard, I don't have a problem with the Electoral College itself... I have a problem with the distribution of Congressional districts on which the Electoral College is based. I guess that concept is just beyond the reach of your tiny little mind... So I fully expect you to come back for the nth time with how the Electoral College is the law, as if I don't understand that.

And once again... I *am* working on changing it. I don't spend entire useless days on this web site like you do. I *am* writing to my representatives and I am signing petitions. I *am* working toward a better America... while making an example of you in my spare time while I drink my coffee.


Rage isn't my thing. Unlike a tiny fraction of the people on my side of these issues, I don't see the need for it. Due process is quite sufficient for taking back power. Of course there's always the chance that the authoritarian leaders you fools keep supporting might shut down our democracy in which case violent revolution will be the only choice. You should just stop thinking that liberals are going to just accept oppression. There's a lot of us advocates of liberty that haven't been conditioned all our lives to be congregational sheep. That's a "God-fearing" conservative thing.

That being said... It's time for me to get to work.

cesspool jones Loc: atlanta

You go girl!

Loki Loc: Georgia

"The popular vote is the ONLY actual count of how people actually voted. You just don't like to to hear about it."

I am not the one obsessing about it.

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"Once more, retard, I don't have a problem with the Electoral College itself... I have a problem with the distribution of Congressional districts on which the Electoral College is based. I guess that concept is just beyond the reach of your tiny little mind... So I fully expect you to come back for the nth time with how the Electoral College is the law, as if I don't understand that."

"And once again... I *am* working on changing it. I don't spend entire useless days on this web site like you do. I *am* writing to my representatives and I am signing petitions. I *am* working toward a better America... while making an example of you in my spare time while I drink my coffee."


You claim you have no problem with the Electoral College and yet you harp constantly on the "popular vote" as if it mattered. If you don't like gerrymandering of districts, you have your own Democratic Party to blame. Gerrymandering was first practiced by Democrats and they still engage in it more than Republicans, although that may change, since Republicans made gains in every elected office in the country this past election; from county dogcatcher, to mayors, city councils, county and state governments and the US House and Senate. (I suppose you won all those popular votes also.)
Do continue to "make an example of me." So far, it has only accrued to my advantage, as your little chardonnay sipping Nancy Boy temper tantrums show you for what you are.

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"Rage isn't my thing. Unlike a tiny fraction of the people on my side of these issues, I don't see the need for it. Due process is quite sufficient for taking back power. Of course there's always the chance that the authoritarian leaders you fools keep supporting might shut down our democracy in which case violent revolution will be the only choice. You should just stop thinking that liberals are going to just accept oppression. There's a lot of us advocates of liberty that haven't been conditioned all our lives to be congregational sheep. That's a "God-fearing" conservative thing."


I stand corrected; rage isn't your thing, self-righteous aggrandizement is more your forte.

RETW Loc: Washington

Ok smart ass. Sense you seem to think what our president is doing to keep bad people from interring our country is so bad. What would you do?/????????????????


RETW

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

Excellent post but you forgot one thing that helps increase the number of Muslims. In addition to the four wives, they are allowed a many concubines (sex slaves) as they wish, and all are forced to have children for them.They use the same "tradition"in what ever country they infiltrate. Notice that I did not say "settle"

straightUp Loc: California

Regarding the meme... You're either really fucking stupid or you're a piece of shit liar.. The meme is a lie, that much is certain. I'm guessing it's someone else's lie and you're just too stupid to know any better. After all, half you morons can't even understand the Constitution and THAT was written in English.

The actual translation of Surah Anfal Ch. 8 verse 39 is...
And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.

Yes, this passage starts with a conjunction ("And" for the dumbasses that don't know what a conjunction is), which means verse 39 is what English speakers who are NOT dumbshits call an incomplete sentence. To make sense of what is being said you have to read verse 38, which is...

Say to those who have disbelieved that if they cease hostilities, what has previously occurred will be forgiven for them. But if they return to hostility - then the precedent of the former rebellious peoples has already taken place.

When you actually read their scripture they way they wrote it, it becomes obvious that what is being encouraged is self-defense. That when the nation of Islam is confronted with hostility then they are encouraged to fight back until the there is no "fitnah" (disorder and strife)... The verses are a reference to the early days of Islam, which was not only a religion but also a political entity, when it was being attacked by surrounding kingdoms.

You are propagating a blatant lie which is obviously conceived by an illiterate dumb-fuck... You can't "kill something until it submits" you idiot.

I've had these arguments with you before... You claim to be an expert on Islam and yet, you know nothing. Everything you quote, everything you link to is authored by zealots who hate Muslims and are trying to get everyone else to hate them too. You attack Islam out of ignorance and hatred and you desecrate Christianity by claiming to be one.

Loki Loc: Georgia

"You can't "kill something until it submits" you idiot."

Of course you can. You cannot kill an individual until he or she submits, but you can kill enough members of a group that the group submits. It's been going on since Paleolithic times. It's called surrender.


One more thing:

"Everything you quote, everything you link to is authored by zealots who hate Muslims and are trying to get everyone else to hate them too."
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List of Islamic Terror Attacks

List of Islamic Terror:
2016


This is part of the list of Islamic terror attacks maintained by TheReligionofPeace.com.

During this time period, there were 2476 Islamic attacks in 61 countries, in which 21239 people were killed and 26677 injured.

So much for your brainless defense of Islam. I am sure there are peaceful Muslims somewhere. They are doubtless afraid to show themselves.


http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=2016

straightUp Loc: California

Those attacks are in countries torn apart by war. The vast majority of the people living in those countries happen to be Muslim and the vast majority of their victims are also Muslim. There is no evidence that any of these attacks were directly influenced by the message of Islam, although religion is often misinterpreted *intentionally* by warmongers to encourage populations to fight.

Yes, there are many peaceful Muslims... right here in America. I work with a handful of them. They're good workers, they're very respectful, they're funny, they love their children and they are happy to be living in peace. They are also very smart (the ones I work with). They have to be smart to be in my line of work and that brings up another point... We NEED them, because there are not enough Americans qualified to fill the positions, which is why I work with a staff that is only 15% American. And no, it's not because they are cheaper... The H1B visa holders I work with, including Muslims make around $70K-110K a year. It's a matter of qualification. Some of the countries they come from have better education systems.

As for my defense of Islam... no different than my defense of Christianity or any other religion that get's distorted by haters.

Loki Loc: Georgia

You didn't read the links. The attacks occurred in 61 different countries. I haven't noticed you defending Christianity. Or Hinduism or Buddhism or Animism or anything else other than Islam.

straightUp Loc: California

First of all, I *did* read the link... I also copied the data into an Excel sheet and ran it through some analysis...

1. The attacks did not occur in 61 different countries. Many of the entries were listed as being in separate countries when they aren't. For instance, 1 incident is listed under Scotland while three are listed under England and yet another one is listed under the UK. Three separate entries... Just so you know, England and Scotland are both part of the same country known as the UK. Also Chechnya, Ingushetia and Dagestan are all parts of Russia and yet all four are counted separately on the list and Israel will be the first to tell you that the Palestinian Authority is NOT a country and yet that's also listed ...as a "separate" country. And my favorite... Somali and Somalia are counted in the list as two separate countries... Somali is not a country, it's what you can people FROM Somalia. That's like saying America and Americans are two separate countries. So I guess the list was compiled by an idiot.

2. of the 2523 incidents... 799 of them happened in war-torn Iraq, 309 of them in war-torn Syria, 238 of them in war-torn Afghanistan... That's more than half, right there in just those three countries, which by the way were thrown into a state of war by the U.S. invasion under Bush.

3. of the 1177 remaining incidents, 200 of them occurred in in Pakistan, 146 happened in Nigeria, 97 were in Somalia, 94 were in Egypt, 82 were in Thailand, and 68 were in Yemen. All of these countries are in a severe state of civil unrest. So that's another 687 of them.

4. Of the 490 remaining incidents. 65 were in India, which is the second most populated country in the world and experiencing civil unrest in several of it's regions, 56 were in Libya (war-torn), 32 were in Bangladesh which is also suffering from civil unrest and the list dwindles down to a handful of countries where people are not at war and are not being persecuted and the counts are under 10.

So, maybe now you understand my point.

Also... looking at descriptions of the incidents... there are some, such as "A bomb placed outside a Shia mosque leaves one dead." that only makes the assumption that the bomb was placed by a Muslim and the incidents in Israel can just as easily be attributed to the blow-back caused by Israel's political (and brutal) oppression.


That's because no one here is attacking any of those religions. Drrr...

RETW Loc: Washington

Your statement of " You're either really fucking stupid or you're a piece of shit liar " is so stupid as to be nothing more than vomit coming from you. Nothing you say is worth anything. I have read a few of your post. Your self indulgence in your own superiority is the only thing worth noting here. For it points up how really backward your thinking is. Why are you here in the first place? The only conclusion
that is notable is, your a troll. Oh wait, I have told you that before. The picture below is only for you.

RETW

straightUp Loc: California

When you propagate a lie that is so ridiculous that only an idiot can believe it, the logical alternatives are pretty simple...
1. You're either one of the idiots that believes it or...
2. You actually created the lie, which actually would make you a liar.


Well, if you had the mental capacity to understand what I write OR if your understanding wasn't blocked by emotional hatred (I honestly don't know which one it is, or if it's both). Then you would notice that a lot of what I write *is* worth something... to people who are interested in truth and objectivity.


If only you could apply that standard to Trump... LOL


Not that your question is anything but rhetorical but I'm here because I write and this is a good place for me to test things out before I publish anything with my name on it. I also get a lot more insight into how people feel about things if I can push a few buttons. It's amazing how much truth comes out when you piss someone off.

And I suppose to some extent I do troll... Sure, why not? Isn't that what you're doing? 80% of what I see on this site is just trolling. What I see is basically a handful of moderates (mostly liberal) pointing things out and a crate full of seething right-wing extremists getting all pissed off and hurling insults. Take a look for yourself.

Steve700

The first thing you should realize is that when the Koran is translated into English it is soft peddled for Westerners compared to the way it reads in Arabic. For instance in Arabic it will say "fight them until there is no more opposition" and in English the same passage will read "Fight them until there is no oppression". Those words are quite different and indicative of the way Islamic theology always portrays Islam as the victim when in fact the opposite is far more true.

Muslims will always tell you there is only one Koran and I am convinced most of them actually believe it. But that is not true, but it is what they are told, but actually there are as many as 29 different Korans; all very similar of course but 29 different ones. Why do you think you have Shiites, Sunnis, Wahobi, Sufis, etc. warring upon each other and calling the others apostates? 8:39, that most famous of verses in the Koran, w hich is most often given as an example of verses that rule out most all the peaceful stuff about how Muslims are to treat infidels (whom they call Kafers) is relatively early in the Koran with the peaceful versus being more towards the end. The Koran has no context and that gives the impression that the contradicting peaceful verses are the ones that prevail. But the opposite is true. What you don't understand is that when the Koran or Muslims talk about "[u]'When the unbelievers cease hostilities', you have to realize that Islamic ideology is demonically designed and what that really means is "When the unbelievers cease resisting being subjugated". I think that will become more clear to you as you read on here.

I have had four different Korans in front of me at one time and looked up that very same verse 8:39. I can tell you they were worded differently in each Koran, but the meaning was the same. Some say "Until there is no more dissent", some said "Until there is no more disagreement", some say "until there is no more challenge", some say "until there is no more opposition", and the most soft peddled and deceitful interpretations say oppression to give the impression that the poor Muslims are being victimized. What you don't understand is that in Islamic theology your mere existence is a threat to them and Islam. That's the way a jihadist understands it and believe me, they can clean the clock of any moderate Muslim in a debate. They are very knowledgeable about the verses in the Koran, Hadith and other authoritative Islamic literature, including the opinions of Islamic scholars, that justify what they do. The Koran and Hadith have a lot to say about the unbelievers " Making mischief in the land" (which is reason to kill them) simply means being unIslamic - rejecting the Koran - being an unbeliever and acting accordingly.

Here are those two versus exactly the way they are worded including parentheses in my Koran which I got from Muslims who had a table set up where they were passing out Koran's and other Islamic literature:
8:38 Say to the disbelievers, if they stop themselves (from disbelief), their past (actions) would be forgiven them; But if they continue, the punishment of those before them is already (before them as a warning) how can you interpret that as anything other than if you don't submit you will be slaughtered
8:39 And keep fighting them till there is no more unrest (commotion)or injustice. You notice they are using the word commotion, which is what you have when people are refusing to submit to Islam's superior authority - it has nothing to do with being oppressed or victimized -- as the next words portray, the Islamic idea of justice is that you submit and obey Allah and there exists justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they stop, surely, Allah sees all that they do. I memorized that verse yers ago from a different Koran and this is how it was worded at that time in the Koran I was reading. Quran 8:39 "Fight them until there is no more opposition and all submit and until there exists only one religion, Islam and Allah alone is worshiped". --- I think that makes it quite clear that Islam intends to rule the world. And I have told you before that is the very reason Islam is called "The Religion Of Peace", because their agenda is to create world peace by forcing all the world to submit to Iaslam.

It is obvious you get your information from Muslim sources. Which is equivalent to a Jew getting his info about Nazism from a Nazi. Try Brigitte Gabriel, Walied Shoebat, (Muslim scholar and X terrorist now Christian) Robert Spencer or Http://www.thereligionofpeace.com -- There are many YouTube videos of the speaking engagements of these guys. . And read the companion book of the Koran, the Hadith (exploits, actions and sayings of Mohammed) to understand the horrifically brutal, savage and ungodly treatment Mohammed and Allah intended, and still intends for the unbeliever. Islamic perception and the way Muslims think is very different from the western mind. Have you ever considered that these people that you say hate Islam, may have damn good reason ??????????

Steve700

And you compared Islam to Christianity saying they were the same, as if they were were both based on love (in Islam only between fellow Muslims -- but that doesn't happen much either) as if they were equally noble and worthy of respect. Where is your Christian comparison for this without going back to the actions of the Catholic Church during the dark ages?
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Of course with the left wing controlled media, you are hardly ever told of any of these. (& 270 Million Slaughtered in the 'Cause of Allah' since Mohammed)