JimMe

California Debt vs USA Debt?!? That's your thinking?!? Poor example!?!

peter11937 Loc: NYS

California's debt total is about $1 TRILLION counting schools, villages, towns Cities , pension debt, bond debt, etc etc.
LONG article here http://californiapolicycenter.org/calculating-californias-total-state-and-local-government-debt/

son of witless

Dumb-ass. Ever hear of Roe V Wade?

peter11937 Loc: NYS

Isn' that what Gen. Washington had to decide when crossing the Delaware river? It is law by decision of the Supreme Court, not a statute written in those exact words.

son of witless

It doesn't matter. Whether Federal Law or Supreme Court decision, it still Trumps State and Local Law and that is what I was arguing.

peter11937 Loc: NYS

You are 100 percent correct with that.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Notice how nasty ol straightup has gotten since his little snowflake ass got waxed in the election? They can pretend to be half ass civil when they think they're winners then reality smacks them in the face and they have to confront being a loser.

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

Nice funny...made me smile

son of witless

They always complain about the uncivility here, yet when they are having a bad year we are supposed to take their hatred and be nice.

Carol Kelly

It always gives me a good feeling being nice to rude people..sort of superior.

son of witless

You are superior. I do not have that kind of goodness in me. I operate on the two eyes for an eye philosophy.

straightUp Loc: California

I don't either... it happens to all of us.


As you know it's a big state with lot's of people and a wide array of cultures. I'm not going to sit here and say there aren't any poor people in California. But when someone says something like California has the highest poverty rate in the union... well, that's when I verify the facts and as you can see, I responded with the facts as I found them and it turns out the poverty rate in California is lower than Florida, Texas, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Arizona, West Virginia, Georgia, Arkansas, Kentucky, Alabama, Louisiana, New Mexico and Mississippi... so not exactly the highest in the union.

I know that LA has the largest population of immigrants in California... there's a lot of business owners there that like to break the law by hiring undocumented workers so they can get away with paying them less than what is legally required. That would certainly have an impact on the poverty rate. It's quite possible that for that reason LA has the highest poverty rate in California and maybe that's what you misunderstood when listening to that radio program.

As for the changes... I really don't see it. I was raised in the LA area but specifically in the coastal cities. I was surrounded by immigrants there too but they were all legally brought over from Europe to work in the area's enormous aerospace industry. That's how my family immigrated. When I started competing in regional sports I discovered the east side of LA and it was a totally different scene... like scary bad. I really don't think much has changed, there have always been good and bad places for as long as I can remember.

I currently live closer to Oakland in a place where it's astoundingly beautiful.

Look, I know a lot of people have a hang up about California... I've spent a lot of my career traveling around the country and I've heard all kinds of grumbling about my state. Most of the claims are wildly erroneous but I'm sure accuracy really isn't the point. The point, so it seems, more often than not, is just to insult the state and it's people. I get that. Not sure exactly why California, but I would guess it has something to do with it's exposure in media and the fact that it's predominately liberal.

straightUp Loc: California

Exactly... so stop encouraging it. Pro-choice people have made enormous efforts to reduce the number of abortions in this country through education and family planning. It's the so-called "pro-life" people who are encouraging the conditions that increase the number of abortions and it's disgusting how they're so obsessed with winning this singular war with liberals that they can't even stop to consider how their doing it.

straightUp Loc: California

Look, I'm not the one who initiated the silly comparison. I was responding to someone else who said California has the highest debt in the nation... well no shit... it also has the largest economy in the nation. That was the point I was bringing up... across the entire global system of capitalism the largest debts are incurred by the largest economies. The U.S. has the largest economy in the world AND the largest debt in the world. So making the insulting comment that California has the highest debt in the nation is a bit like insulting the U.S. for having the highest debt in the world.

straightUp Loc: California

And the U.S.A is almost $20 TRILLION in debt...

The common factor is Republicans. Republicans like to borrow money so they don't have to raise taxes and that incurs debt. If you take a close look at California you will notice the cities with the highest debts are the ones in predominately Republican districts.