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Dec 6, 2016 14:26:11   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
KiraSeer2016 wrote:
The reason I am advising you of where and when wars are the LEGITIMATE alternative is that instigating revolutions in other, sovereign countries is NEVER legitimate, at any time. Creating revolutions is particularly subversive in that the instigating parties remain hidden.

http://pesd.princeton.edu/?q=node/258

Portions from the above link:

Non-Intervention (Non-interference in domestic affairs)

Introduction / Definition:

In international law, the principle of non-intervention includes, but is not limited to, the prohibition of the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state (Article 2.4 of the Charter). The principle of non-intervention in the internal affairs of States also signifies that a State should not otherwise intervene in a dictatorial way in the internal affairs of other States. The International Court referred in the Nicaragua case to “[t]he element of coercion, which defines, and indeed forms the very essence of, prohibited intervention” (ICJ Reports 1986, p. 108, para. 205). As Oppenheim's International Law puts it, "the interference must be forcible or dictatorial, or otherwise coercive, in effect depriving the state intervened against of control over the matter in question. Interference pure and simple is not intervention" (Vol. I, 9th ed., 1992, p. 432). Butthe extent to which acts other than the use of force are, or should be, prohibited is uncertain.

Intervention (even military intervention) with the consent, properly given, of the Government of a State is not precluded.

Author:
Michael Wood

And here's the US resolution:

http://legal.un.org/avl/pdf/ha/ga_2131-xx/ga_2131-xx_e.pdf
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I totally agree. Our "leadership" has lost touch with legitimacy.

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Dec 6, 2016 14:27:32   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
KiraSeer2016 wrote:
Did you read my two recent posts?


Yes.

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Dec 6, 2016 14:29:19   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
KiraSeer2016 wrote:
To continue (from the paper quoted previously):


Theoretical Implications:

There is no doubt that the principle of non-intervention remains a well-established part of international law. The prohibition of intervention "is a corollary of every state's right to sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence" (Oppenheim's International Law, p 428). The Friendly Relations Declaration [UNGA res. 2625(XXV) 1970]includes a whole section on 'The principle concerning the duty not to intervene in matters within the domestic jurisdiction of any State, in accordance with the Charter.' The UN General Assembly adopted a Declaration on the Inadmissibility of Intervention and Interference in the Domestic Affairs of States (UNGA resolution 2131 (XX) 1965). The International Court was in no doubt about the existence of the principle in the Nicaragua case.
To continue (from the paper quoted previously): br... (show quote)


One could make the argument that driving Saddam out of Kuwait was not an unjustified intervention.

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Dec 6, 2016 14:32:01   #
KiraSeer2016
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
One could make the argument that driving Saddam out of Kuwait was not an unjustified intervention.


Yes. And I was never against the second Gulf War. In both cases, war was declared.

Did you read my thread "I'm Ignored?" There are parallels, if you care to look.

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Dec 6, 2016 14:40:02   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
KiraSeer2016 wrote:
Yes. And I was never against the second Gulf War. In both cases, war was declared.

Did you read my thread "I'm Ignored?" There are parallels, if you care to look.


I have kept up with it and just reviewed it. Somehow I missed the parallels.

On a different, if not dis-similar note, if a man says something in the woods and there is no female there to hear him, is he still wrong??

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Dec 6, 2016 14:41:39   #
KiraSeer2016
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
One could make the argument that driving Saddam out of Kuwait was not an unjustified intervention.


I think I'll spend the rest of the afternoon reading the Statute of the International Court of Justice.

What else do I have to do while I wait to be reunited with my husband?

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Dec 6, 2016 14:46:45   #
KiraSeer2016
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I have kept up with it and just reviewed it. Somehow I missed the parallels.

On a different, if not dis-similar note, if a man says something in the woods and there is no female there to hear him, is he still wrong??


Of course he is still wrong. Were you born yesterday?

I'm referring to my post wherein I mentioned that I ALWAYS warn people when I'm about to put them on my ignore list, thereby giving them a chance to either capitulate or rethink their posts and views. Raylan did not return the favor.

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Dec 6, 2016 14:51:24   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
KiraSeer2016 wrote:
Of course he is still wrong. Were you born yesterday?

I'm referring to my post wherein I mentioned that I ALWAYS warn people when I'm about to put them on my ignore list, thereby giving them a chance to either capitulate or rethink their posts and views. Raylan did not return the favor.


I'm trying to remember if we told Saddam we were coming after him, to drive him out of Kuwait. Of course it was pretty big news, our movement into the region in the weeks before the invasion.

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Dec 6, 2016 14:54:06   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
KiraSeer2016 wrote:
Of course he is still wrong. Were you born yesterday?

I'm referring to my post wherein I mentioned that I ALWAYS warn people when I'm about to put them on my ignore list, thereby giving them a chance to either capitulate or rethink their posts and views. Raylan did not return the favor.


Sometimes I think I might have been born in the wrong times, not yesterdays of the past gone by. I fancy myself to be a bit of a Jeramiah Johnson, and I make good rabbit, too.

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Dec 6, 2016 15:02:00   #
KiraSeer2016
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I'm trying to remember if we told Saddam we were coming after him, to drive him out of Kuwait. Of course it was pretty big news, our movement into the region in the weeks before the invasion.


Didn't Congress vote on it? That's pretty public.

Just did some research. Apparently not a Declaration of War, as such, but a "Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq."

Just remember this: the fact that no WMD was reportedly found in Iraq doesn't mean it wasn't there. I'm referring to the second Iraq war. You seem to be referring to the first one.

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Dec 6, 2016 15:22:26   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
KiraSeer2016 wrote:
Didn't Congress vote on it? That's pretty public.

Just did some research. Apparently not a Declaration of War, as such, but a "Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq."

Just remember this: the fact that no WMD was reportedly found in Iraq doesn't mean it wasn't there. I'm referring to the second Iraq war. You seem to be referring to the first one.


I was referring to the first desert storm, yes.

As for the second, I'm not sure it qualifies as a "legitimate" war. There is good evidence that Bush knew, all too well, that his information regarding WMD was bogus, or at the very least, interpreted very, very loosely. Oh we found some eventually. Very old versions of what was portended to have been there. We found what we knew Saddam had and had used many years back. So technically, we had legitimacy. Technically.

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Dec 6, 2016 15:26:28   #
KiraSeer2016
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I was referring to the first desert storm, yes.

As for the second, I'm not sure it qualifies as a "legitimate" war. There is good evidence that Bush knew, all too well, that his information regarding WMD was bogus, or at the very least, interpreted very, very loosely. Oh we found some eventually. Very old versions of what was portended to have been there. We found what we knew Saddam had and had used many years back. So technically, we had legitimacy. Technically.



Bush didn't lie. Nor was his intel in error. But I'm not going to argue or debate this.

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Dec 6, 2016 15:54:56   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
KiraSeer2016 wrote:
Bush didn't lie. Nor was his intel in error. But I'm not going to argue or debate this.


That would be wise. However, he has admitted it was a mistake to have gone into Iraq.

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Dec 6, 2016 16:12:34   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Like I said CHECK MATE!!
Google all their histories lazy one!!
Are you really that much in denial, Super Denial?

It isn't too late; last chance:
Since you were unable to find any discrepancies in the list; I call Check Mate
The list was posted for others to book mark to use for future reference. Like when politicians are in the news, or pundits are used by the networks, and etc.
It can give a heads up on where their political leanings are. The CFR is pure globalism.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/cfrall1.htm#d

Another List:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/cfr-members.htm

BTW; The lists may not be all inclusive.
Not ALL members are necessarily sell outs to globalism, but it is an indicator.

I do hope others book mark for references
Like I said CHECK MATE!! br Google all their histo... (show quote)

Hahaha...

You have a list of names... Congratulations.

You get extra points for a shopping list.

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Dec 6, 2016 22:44:01   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Getting through the BS. Some background:

The Road to World War 3
https://youtu.be/HP7L8bw5QF4

We are on a road that leads straight to the World War 3, but in order to see that and to fully understand what is at stake you have to look at the big picture and connect the dots. This video examines the history of the dollar, its relation to oil, and the real motives behind the wars of the past two decades.
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The Syrian War What You're Not Being Told

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkamZg68jpk



nwtk2007 wrote:
I was referring to the first desert storm, yes.

As for the second, I'm not sure it qualifies as a "legitimate" war. There is good evidence that Bush knew, all too well, that his information regarding WMD was bogus, or at the very least, interpreted very, very loosely. Oh we found some eventually. Very old versions of what was portended to have been there. We found what we knew Saddam had and had used many years back. So technically, we had legitimacy. Technically.

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