Trump thinks 3 Million illegals voted. Proof anyone? According to Trump there were three million illegal aliens who voted during the election. So where is the proof and just who did...

PeterS

According to Trump there were three million illegal aliens who voted during the election. So where is the proof and just who did they vote for. After all, if it was organized by the DNC Hillary would have won...

Now this isn't the only time Trump has made allegations without any proof but my question is why do conservative believe him without doing any kind of fact check?

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

PeterS wrote:

According to Trump there were three million illegal aliens who voted during the election. So where is the proof and just who did they vote for. After all, if it was organized by the DNC Hillary would have won...

Now this isn't the only time Trump has made allegations without any proof but my question is why do conservative believe him without doing any kind of fact check?

I personally doubt the Democrats managed 3 million.

I guess Trump has more faith in Democrats than I do.

PeterS

Super Dave wrote:

I personally doubt the Democrats managed 3 million.

I guess Trump has more faith in Democrats than I do.

I think if the democrats are smart enough to get people to vote illegally they would have been smart enough to place them in areas that insure they would win.

Mom8052 Loc: Lost in the mountains of New Mexico

PeterS wrote:

According to Trump there were three million illegal aliens who voted during the election. So where is the proof and just who did they vote for. After all, if it was organized by the DNC Hillary would have won...

Now this isn't the only time Trump has made allegations without any proof but my question is why do conservative believe him without doing any kind of fact check?

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How about this? https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160AB1461

The Driver License issued to an illegal have a statement on it, but only in small print. Should be like teen driver license, bold and different from an adult license. Many probably were allowed to vote because they look like a regular one, but how do you prove it?.

reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.

PeterS wrote:

I think if the democrats are smart enough to get people to vote illegally they would have been smart enough to place them in areas that insure they would win.

Would this be the same "SMART" democrats who predicted Clinton win , the same "SMART" demo's who put out polls showing electoral landslide ? Fact is the demo's thought they could not possibly lose no way , no how .. That's why your diapers need changing ..When all this is said and done I think we will find massive voter fraud by the left , ask Bernie about the DNC fraud .

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Without a voter identification, it is difficult to say how many.... not if, but how many votes were cast by not only illegals but by the deceased, felons (although this is now a questionable requirement), or those who have been declared incompetent.

In California the entire voting system depends on their DMV... so if you have a driver's license you can even register to vote on line. New York, Virginia, and Nevada also offer on line registration. In a few states there is an additional requirement to be competent... that is not a resident in a mental institution or declared incompetent by a physician/psychiatrist.... not necessary in Nevada or California. However, from all I can learn, there are no systems in any of these places for verification.. in other words, they rely only on the DMV database. I offer you the 2012 case regarding California's DMV database... https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/sandiego/press-releases/2012/twenty-one-defendants-charged-for-corruption-at-two-southern-california-dmv-offices and Las Vegas who says they do not verify citizenship: http://www.reviewjournal.com/glenn-cook/why-dont-we-verify-voter-citizenship, and New York issues with identification fraud ring: https://www.justice.gov/archive/usao/nys/pressreleases/March10/dewaltwilchetalindictmentpr.pdf also http://www.richmond.com/news/article_e69bf316-7a34-5ab9-8074-625e8fe86197.html

I did not review all the states, but of the few I did... you can see there are issues. The system is flawed, not from our founding father's designs, but implementation of that system. I also direct you to True the Vote... it is nonpartisan, and they maintain a database on voter fraud... it is more than 20 pages long, and consists of all voter fraud... not just the presidential elections. http://truethevote.org

It is my opinion, and now I believe than many left leaner are beginning to understand and come around to the idea, we need a voter identification system that works, and we need the election process standardized... In many states there are no paper trails to recount, some counties within states have computer voting and some have paper ballots, some feed off of other state run departments, some do not require a picture form of identification. Although standardization is a Herculean task, it needs to be done post haste before the next senate elections.

Now back to your question. Is there a case for voter fraud. Yes, but identifying who voted illegally, that would be difficult to determine. As you may recall, obama encouraged ... even if he did not intend to, illegals to vote. And then there are the sanctuary cities.... I am sure, because the governors and mayors do not want to even identify who is illegal, then they did not care if they voted. A very conservative estimate would be 20 percent of illegals in the USA voted this past election or around 400,000. Around 10 percent of all voters voted in more than one state and about 2 percent were dead.....

Did the DNC organize the illegals... I would say no. Had they organized these people, then Killary would be president elect. I do think they encouraged them and I think they were so over confident of a sweeping win, they did not supply buses and free lunches, as they did when obama first took the White House. They assumed that the blacks and Hispanics, as well as the new imports under obama, would step in line and vote Democratic because President Elect Trump came right out and said he would deport all illegals and then softened to say criminals who are illegal, plus defunding sanctuary cities. They counted on fear to win the votes. The Democrats simply failed to pander to the illegals and they ignored nursing homes, this cost Killary the election. Had they followed obama's play-book... the situation would be quite different, you would be complaining that President Elect Trump demands a recount.

If there was enough time, I think that all our states and territories should be recounted... with proper attention given to registration applications with one standard used to approve or deny the application. Then a comparison of states' votes to ensure no duplicates along with the SS department to ensure no dead people voted. This would be the only way to ensure a clean election. At this point, this is impossible.

PeterS wrote:

According to Trump there were three million illegal aliens who voted during the election. So where is the proof and just who did they vote for. After all, if it was organized by the DNC Hillary would have won...

Now this isn't the only time Trump has made allegations without any proof but my question is why do conservative believe him without doing any kind of fact check?

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

PeterS wrote:

I think if the democrats are smart enough to get people to vote illegally they would have been smart enough to place them in areas that insure they would win.

Nobody ever accused them of brilliance.

No doubt there are just more thugs in deep red states willing to cheat.

PeterS

Mom8052 wrote:

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How about this? https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160AB1461

The Driver License issued to an illegal have a statement on it, but only in small print. Should be like teen driver license, bold and different from an adult license. Many probably were allowed to vote because they look like a regular one, but how do you prove it?.

It wouldn't matter what size the statement on the DL since it would automatically be flagged as an illegal alien when registering to vote. And if they aren't able to register they wouldn't be able to vote...

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Unless the data entry clerk did not input the correct information at the DMV.... or the DMV clerk was getting a bribe to help illegals... apparently my comment was too long or complicated for you to read/understand.

PeterS wrote:

It wouldn't matter what size the statement on the DL since it would automatically be flagged as an illegal alien when registering to vote. And if they aren't able to register they wouldn't be able to vote...

PeterS

Pennylynn wrote:

Unless the data entry clerk did not input the correct information at the DMV.... or the DMV clerk was getting a bribe to help illegals... apparently my comment was too long or complicated for you to read/understand.

And this happened 3 million times and if that many DMV clerks were being bribed wouldn't you think a few would get caught and the scheme exposed? As for your comment I apparently didn't read it...

righty Loc: Tenn

PeterS wrote:

I think if the democrats are smart enough to get people to vote illegally they would have been smart enough to place them in areas that insure they would win.

You are giving way to much credit to politicians and their intelligence or lack thereof.

PeterS

Pennylynn wrote:

Without a voter identification, it is difficult to say how many.... not if, but how many votes were cast by not only illegals but by the deceased, felons (although this is now a questionable requirement), or those who have been declared incompetent.

In California the entire voting system depends on their DMV... so if you have a driver's license you can even register to vote on line. New York, Virginia, and Nevada also offer on line registration. In a few states there is an additional requirement to be competent... that is not a resident in a mental institution or declared incompetent by a physician/psychiatrist.... not necessary in Nevada or California. However, from all I can learn, there are no systems in any of these places for verification.. in other words, they rely only on the DMV database. I offer you the 2012 case regarding California's DMV database... https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/sandiego/press-releases/2012/twenty-one-defendants-charged-for-corruption-at-two-southern-california-dmv-offices and Las Vegas who says they do not verify citizenship: http://www.reviewjournal.com/glenn-cook/why-dont-we-verify-voter-citizenship, and New York issues with identification fraud ring: https://www.justice.gov/archive/usao/nys/pressreleases/March10/dewaltwilchetalindictmentpr.pdf also http://www.richmond.com/news/article_e69bf316-7a34-5ab9-8074-625e8fe86197.html

I did not review all the states, but of the few I did... you can see there are issues. The system is flawed, not from our founding father's designs, but implementation of that system. I also direct you to True the Vote... it is nonpartisan, and they maintain a database on voter fraud... it is more than 20 pages long, and consists of all voter fraud... not just the presidential elections. http://truethevote.org

It is my opinion, and now I believe than many left leaner are beginning to understand and come around to the idea, we need a voter identification system that works, and we need the election process standardized... In many states there are no paper trails to recount, some counties within states have computer voting and some have paper ballots, some feed off of other state run departments, some do not require a picture form of identification. Although standardization is a Herculean task, it needs to be done post haste before the next senate elections.

Now back to your question. Is there a case for voter fraud. Yes, but identifying who voted illegally, that would be difficult to determine. As you may recall, obama encouraged ... even if he did not intend to, illegals to vote. And then there are the sanctuary cities.... I am sure, because the governors and mayors do not want to even identify who is illegal, then they did not care if they voted. A very conservative estimate would be 20 percent of illegals in the USA voted this past election or around 400,000. Around 10 percent of all voters voted in more than one state and about 2 percent were dead.....

Did the DNC organize the illegals... I would say no. Had they organized these people, then Killary would be president elect. I do think they encouraged them and I think they were so over confident of a sweeping win, they did not supply buses and free lunches, as they did when obama first took the White House. They assumed that the blacks and Hispanics, as well as the new imports under obama, would step in line and vote Democratic because President Elect Trump came right out and said he would deport all illegals and then softened to say criminals who are illegal, plus defunding sanctuary cities. They counted on fear to win the votes. The Democrats simply failed to pander to the illegals and they ignored nursing homes, this cost Killary the election. Had they followed obama's play-book... the situation would be quite different, you would be complaining that President Elect Trump demands a recount.

If there was enough time, I think that all our states and territories should be recounted... with proper attention given to registration applications with one standard used to approve or deny the application. Then a comparison of states' votes to ensure no duplicates along with the SS department to ensure no dead people voted. This would be the only way to ensure a clean election. At this point, this is impossible.

Without a voter identification, it is difficult to... (show quote)

The system is flawed? Trump has made an allegation that 3 million illegal aliens voted yet he has zero proof that that is true. And since California has started issuing DL to illegal immigrants any corruption has been eliminated. As for True vote.org

>>snip<<
Three million votes in the U.S. presidential election were cast by illegal aliens, according to Greg Phillips of the VoteFraud.org organization.

If true, this would mean that Donald Trump still won the contest despite widespread vote fraud and almost certainly won the popular vote.

“We have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens,” tweeted Phillips after reporting that the group had completed an analysis of a database of 180 million voter registrations.

We scoured at least a dozen such articles for evidence to support the claim, but found none. All of them pointed back to the same source: a pair of tweets by someone named Gregg Phillips, whose Twitter profile identifies him as the founder of VoteStand ("America's first online fraud reporting app"):
>>end<<

When accusations are issued in a tweet instead of a researched article I doubt that it is a source I would use to back up any of my arguments. Fake news is rampant on the right and there is no better example then here...

PeterS

righty wrote:

You are giving way to much credit to politicians and their intelligence or lack thereof.

No, the accusation is that 3 million illegals and some 4 million dead people voted. That doesn't happen by itself and takes skill in organizing, implementing, and executing. If you think ignorant individuals are responsible for that than the ignorance is on your end.

righty Loc: Tenn

PeterS wrote:

No, the accusation is that 3 million illegals and some 4 million dead people voted. That doesn't happen by itself and takes skill in organizing, implementing, and executing. If you think ignorant individuals are responsible for that than the ignorance is on your end.

Guess you haven't read about truethevote yet hey? I suggest ya look it up and have a read. I stand by my statement about their intelligence. Escpecially those on the left. To pull the crap they have pulled year after year is not really intelligent is it now? It's plain, outright stupid. Criminals ALWAYS get caught at some point. Yes, there are criminals in the right as well. Do I believe they could have set it up to allow illegals to vote? You betcha, do zi believe they could have set it up for dead votes? You betcha (been done before), do I believe they could have set it up for people to be registered in more than 1 state? You betcha. Now if you don't believe it, shows ignorance on your end. I'm sure the right has pulled some crap as well. They are all politicians and in it to win it for themselves, do I put nothing past any of them.

PeterS

righty wrote:

Guess you haven't read about truethevote yet hey? ... (show quote)

I just read a lengthily article on truethevote and Phillips has refused all requests as to his methodology or how he arrived at the figures he gives. For all we know he pulled the numbers out of his ass and has done nothing to show that he didn't...

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/nov/18/blog-posting/no-3-million-undocumented-immigrants-did-not-vote-/
http://www.snopes.com/three-million-votes-in-presidential-election-cast-by-illegal-aliens/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/nov/28/donald-trump/donald-trumps-pants-fire-claim-millions-illegal-vo/