Singularity

No. This one is not desiring education or attempting to increase understanding by this post, he is simply soliciting discord.

Proverbs 6:12-19 A naughty person, a wicked man, walketh with a froward mouth. He winketh with his eyes, he speaketh with his feet, he teacheth with his fingers; Frowardness is in his heart, he deviseth mischief continually; he soweth discord. Therefore shall his calamity come suddenly; suddenly shall he be broken without remedy. These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Singularity

2 Timothy 2:23 ►

Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Good thing I'm not the Lord's servant!

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Oh boy, hanker down sweetlips, you asked a loaded question here!!

Of course you know any answer given will be based on pure speculation of any scientific data, entered by that human being, right?

You will get some good dialogue on it if Peter and Singularity post...I like reading what they offer up..

Oops, guess I should have all before posting..I see Sing has...

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

I like this statement, solarkin, more truth than may be known......

Singularity

Why would anyone choose such a thing without bribe or coercion?

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

In an absolute, then it explains why we are not perfect....

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Much of science I disagree with as well as appreciate...Absolute tho, no..

Singularity

Feeling grateful to learn I am such an entertaining pet, (as long as I don't soil the carpet, or bark too loudly, yes!?!)

Yet I do have teeth. And in any serious debate on this forum with one respectful opponent's points or questions at a time, respecting the guidelines of polite discourse, I seem to hear only

*crickets*

at the conclusion of my arguments.

Or conversely, receive the troll brigade's invasion and warnings from what passes for "admin".

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Why is it excusable or inexcusable when it is all a matter of what we choose to believe??

Imperfection begets perfection over time...We obviously have not attained that level...Maybe when and if we ever do, we will then have achieved utopia????

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

I ask the same question in theory and do so because of the many posts read in here...

Why does it matter??? We are here period and we will leave, eventually, period..

The age old question of creation will never have a sufficient answer all will ever agree with...Thank goodness, least we all become stereotyped placaters of nothingness......

As always, nice to see you, Peter...

Singularity

It matters what we choose to believe.

Sciences flies you to the other side of Jupiter and sends photos! And requires one to give up foolish fantasies.

Religion flies you into buildings, and requires one to cut off parts of one's genitals.

Or murder and sacrifice your children as burnt offerings if the deity is out of other holy air fresheners.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Ahhh yes, but you are your own servant, which could be far better or far worse...
Your mind, your best friend or worst enemy..

For you, I suspect better, given your grasp of things...
A logical "thinker" you appear to be...

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Suspect often enough it is your ability to sufficiently debate the topic backed with what you view supports....

Often enough, for me, when reading you it does not elicit anger but rather makes me think more about what you have said..Even making me ask more of my belief in, yet it stays the course and I appreciate the teaching...
For some, maybe they are uncomfortable with having to admit or at least acknowledge some doubt...????

It's that simple for me..Then again I like learning more on this topic...Thank You for that!

gaconservative74

As we have discussed before, your intellect is on the high end of the spectrum. that being said, I know that I cannot "beat" you in a debate. Even if my intellect were on your level, would it matter? You have made your own decisions on what to believe about God and the Bible and will look to reinforce your position by seeking information that supports it, just as I will mine. I think the debate, to some extent is interesting, but I feel sometimes that we that believe in God and the Bible get dismissed as ignorant and closed minded. I am not here to cause conflict or get bombarded by insults, which I know you will not but others may. I have said in the past that there are many intelligent and educated people that believe in God. Have you ever listened to John Lennox or William Lane Craig? If not, take a look. If so, you have to admit that both do have arguments that you would have to admit are at least interesting.

Anyway, the question posed in this thread is indeed a loaded question. I don't know what the underlying intent was, but at this point, now we have what may end up becoming an interesting discourse. I hope so anyway.

Bottom line about belief in God or not becomes a personal decision based off of ones own experiences and weighing of the evidence with ones own intelligence. I listened to a debate between Richard Hawkins and John Lennox and Dawkins said this about science(paraphrased): we as scientists don't have everything figured out, but we are working on it. His implication was that there was hope that eventually science would find all the answers and that eventually God would be completely unnessesarily to explain anything and that would prove that he doesn't exist. This, then would prove the non existence of God.

We have to admit that neither side of this argument has all the answers so both have faith in something and cannot explain everything. Atheists seem a lot of times to believe that christians(I know that there are other religious groups to consider, but I am Christian and the argument at this point is between no God or God so which you choose is irrelevant at this point so I will talk from my perspective) don't want to discover what makes the universe work and any time we come up to something we can't explain that we just use the "God" card and don't want to have answers. This is completely false. I see science as we are constantly discovering just how awesome God truly is. He is not the God of the Gaps, He is The God of everything.

I have said it before that faith and science are not at odds with each other; I forget the response exactly that you have to that, but it was a picture I believe that stated basically, when you can't stand alone that you get in bed with the enemy. I don't buy that. Just because I believe in God doesn't mean that I can't see how amazing the universe or possibly "multiverse" is and have a desire to understand it.

I heard another atheist say about science (again paraphrasing) while you artists and philosophers figure out the philosophical parts of life, us scientists will go figure out how the universe works. This thought process seems so anti climactic to me. What do you do if you ever do figure it all out?