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Mar 19, 2016 13:22:12   #
DamnYANKEE
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
The right to bear arms protects EVERYONE, you idiot. Do you have any idea how many times an armed citizen has saved another persons life? You make it sound like every one in this country who picks up a gun is automatically a violent criminal. How irrational can one get?

My dad gave me my first gun when I was 7 years old, I've owned guns since and have never injured or killed anyone, nor had an accident with a gun.

You could benefit by some mental therapy, see if you can get that yoke of fear off your neck.
The right to bear arms protects EVERYONE, you idio... (show quote)


<<< Since 10 . And Neither have I

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Mar 19, 2016 13:23:04   #
DamnYANKEE
 
fiatlux wrote:
Lol, desk job in the Air Force. Hmmm...

Either you are grossly misinformed, or you know but prefer to mislead.

I had several waterguns growing up. That's it.

I do not feel threatened by a "right that has been on the books for 225 years (and it is not exactly a right, as it is limited to a group)," I feel threatened by the guns and the people who unreasonably want no restrictions on lethal weapons.

The 1st Amendment is the most important right to our Republic (though you may disagree): is it "infringed"? Yes! Reason has dictated some limits. Libel. Plagiary. Sedition. But the 2nd Amendment, where my--our--life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness is directly threatened at every moment should have no reasonable restrictions? Define "infringe." Getting a license and waiting for three months for approval? Not having a rocket launcher? Limited to a ten round clip? What does that "infringe"?
Lol, desk job in the Air Force. Hmmm... br br Eit... (show quote)


HE/SHE is a LIBTURD LUNATIC TROLL

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Mar 19, 2016 13:23:51   #
DamnYANKEE
 
Hemiman wrote:
I am sure your life is in constant jeopardy at every moment by the people that know you.


must live in ChitCago or Memphis :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Mar 19, 2016 13:25:01   #
DamnYANKEE
 
fiatlux wrote:
Once again the Right offers only ad hominem as argument, which tickles the lizard brain of their like-minded neanderthals to no end. This is there feed. Hate! Anger! Fear! The primitive brain of the Right. It is winning through Trump. A new Reich is born.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: IDIOT TROLL

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Mar 19, 2016 14:30:27   #
Gatsby
 
Well fiatlux, I must say, that is an "interesting" line of thought!

Totally unsupportable however and here are the reasons!

In your first assertion, you tell me that, because some Americans make a choice not to own firearms; it is not a right but a privilege.

In that assertion you also logically imply the following:
1. Since some Americans make a choice not to vote, voting is not a right, but a privilege.
2. Since some Americans make a choice not to practice religion, that freedom of religion is not a right, but a privilege.
3. Since some Americans make a choice not to publish, freedom of the press is not a freedom but a privilege.

To get directly to my point, your assertion directly implies that the "Bill of Rights" is actually the "Bill of Privileges".

Next you assert that Article II in the Bill of Rights, "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state,
the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed",
is a "direct threat to your life, liberty and pursuit of happiness".

In reply I assert that:

1. The phrase "a free state" the word state does not apply to the political state, such as New York or Virginia,
but to "a state of being", such as is defined by the very phrase you quote, security of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

2. The term "militia" refers to "All of the citizens capable of bearing arms".

3. The physical (not political) "state of being" in this nation as a whole, is currently the most secure that it has been in over 20 years.
A. From 1995-2014 Murder Rate Declined 45%*
B. From 1995-2014 Violent Crime Rate Declined 47%*
C. From 1995-2014 Gun ownership Increased by 48%**

I therefore assert that history proves that the better (more) armed this militia is, the more secure your "state of being" will be!

As for your assertion that guns ownership and use is "Unrestricted", That is simple ignorance.

There are more than 20,000 laws in the United States restricting the sale, possession, use, transportation and types of firearms
in the possession of the American People.

Domestic Terrorism you assert?

I assert that: Allowing an unfettered flow of illegal immigration, while attempting to disarm the American People,
is, in reality, the surest path to promote terrorist acts against Americans, within the United States.

Now on to your last assertion: An ABOMINATION?

I assert that the very "Right of the People" that you unjustly attack is in large part, responsible for the lowest crime rates in a generation,
as well as the continuance of the "Free State" that you currently enjoy and appear to take for granted!

I also assert that the only Abomination is attempting to disarm the American People.

* DOJ Uniform Crime Report 2014
**Washing Post Report of Oct 5th: "There are now more guns than people in United States"

Care to step up for round two fiatlux?


fiatlux wrote:
The Second Amendment protects only gun owners, so it is not a right but a privilege for an elite class of people. The Second Amendment is a direct threat to my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Unrestricted gun ownership? This is a threat on the common good. It is domestic terrorism. The irresponsible proliferation of arms to any citizen to use in any form they feel a need, is an abomination.

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Mar 19, 2016 14:51:40   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Gatsby wrote:
Well fiatlux, I must say, that is an "interesting" line of thought!

Totally unsupportable however and here are the reasons!

In your first assertion, you tell me that, because some Americans make a choice not to own firearms; it is not a right but a privilege.

In that assertion you also logically imply the following:
1. Since some Americans make a choice not to vote, voting is not a right, but a privilege.
2. Since some Americans make a choice not to practice religion, that freedom of religion is not a right, but a privilege.
3. Since some Americans make a choice not to publish, freedom of the press is not a freedom but a privilege.

To get directly to my point, your assertion directly implies that the "Bill of Rights" is actually the "Bill of Privileges".

Next you assert that Article II in the Bill of Rights, "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state,
the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed",
is a "direct threat to your life, liberty and pursuit of happiness".

In reply I assert that:

1. The phrase "a free state" the word state does not apply to the political state, such as New York or Virginia,
but to "a state of being", such as is defined by the very phrase you quote, security of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

2. The term "militia" refers to "All of the citizens capable of bearing arms".

3. The physical (not political) "state of being" in this nation as a whole, is currently the most secure that it has been in over 20 years.
A. From 1995-2014 Murder Rate Declined 45%*
B. From 1995-2014 Violent Crime Rate Declined 47%*
C. From 1995-2014 Gun ownership Increased by 48%**

I therefore assert that history proves that the better (more) armed this militia is, the more secure your "state of being" will be!

As for your assertion that guns ownership and use is "Unrestricted", That is simple ignorance.

There are more than 20,000 laws in the United States restricting the sale, possession, use, transportation and types of firearms
in the possession of the American People.

Domestic Terrorism you assert?

I assert that: Allowing an unfettered flow of illegal immigration, while attempting to disarm the American People,
is, in reality, the surest path to promote terrorist acts against Americans, within the United States.

Now on to your last assertion: An ABOMINATION?

I assert that the very "Right of the People" that you unjustly attack is in large part, responsible for the lowest crime rates in a generation,
as well as the continuance of the "Free State" that you currently enjoy and appear to take for granted!

I also assert that the only Abomination is attempting to disarm the American People.

* DOJ Uniform Crime Report 2014
**Washing Post Report of Oct 5th: "There are now more guns than people in United States"

Care to step up for round two fiatlux?
Well fiatlux, I must say, that is an "interes... (show quote)


Excellent rebuttal

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Mar 19, 2016 15:08:30   #
Gatsby
 
Thank you, it was FUN!

no propaganda please wrote:
Excellent rebuttal

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Mar 19, 2016 15:33:58   #
beammeupscotty Loc: 31°07'50.8"N 87°27'00.8"W
 
fiatlux wrote:
The Second Amendment protects only gun owners, so it is not a right but a privilege for an elite class of people. The Second Amendment is a direct threat to my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Unrestricted gun ownership? This is a threat on the common good. It is domestic terrorism. The irresponsible proliferation of arms to any citizen to use in any form they feel a need, is an abomination.



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Mar 19, 2016 15:47:10   #
Gatsby
 
Actually, according to the Washington Post Report of Oct. 5th, coupled with 30,000,000 instant background checks done in 2015, yes that is correct 30,000,000 last year, the total now is very near FOUR HUNDRED MILLION.

Additionally, there are now more than 6,000,000 Americans who are licensed to carry concealed weapons. That is about ten times the total number of law enforcement officers in the U.S..

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Mar 19, 2016 17:01:43   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
gmanp135 wrote:
The same way they failed with the ACA and the institution of marriage?


Yep, exactly. The Justices personal opinions, partisan sympathies and political affiliations - are to stop once sworn in - with the law their only concern.

We all know how assiduously they follow that obligation and Constitutional mandate. If anyone doubts, they need only look to the current BS about filling the empty seat on the court. Liberal/conservative ideology does NOT belong in the courtroom. Too many times I've heard the court talk about the "intent of the Congress" when making it's rulings, instead of the "intent of the Constitution" - and there is their mistake.

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Mar 19, 2016 18:08:02   #
rebob14
 
fiatlux wrote:
The Second Amendment protects only gun owners, so it is not a right but a privilege for an elite class of people. The Second Amendment is a direct threat to my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Unrestricted gun ownership? This is a threat on the common good. It is domestic terrorism. The irresponsible proliferation of arms to any citizen to use in any form they feel a need, is an abomination.


UUUMMMMMM........!!!! Geezee!!......not to overstate the obvious, but, maybe, if you work REAL hard, you can scrape together $200 or so and buy your VERY OWN personal firearm and join the "elite class of people", you know.......just so you can join the ranks of the oppressors who actually think the second amendment really, really means a private citizen has the RRRIIIGGGHHHTTT to defend his family and property from the lawless hoardes. So, just maybe, you can contribute to the "common good".

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Mar 20, 2016 02:14:45   #
EconomistDon
 
fiatlux wrote:
Once again the Right offers only ad hominem as argument, which tickles the lizard brain of their like-minded neanderthals to no end. This is there feed. Hate! Anger! Fear! The primitive brain of the Right. It is winning through Trump. A new Reich is born.


Let's talk about brains. I recognized this about liberals long before Mr. O'Rourke said it so well. Liberals are like spoiled children blaming others of the very despicable qualities that they themselves exhibit. It is Ok for them to whine and fume hate and anger, but let even a hint of anger show from the other side and they go crying to mommy.

Grow up!!



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Mar 20, 2016 02:27:58   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
EconomistDon wrote:
Let's talk about brains. I recognized this about liberals long before Mr. O'Rourke said it so well. Liberals are like spoiled children blaming others of the very despicable qualities that they themselves exhibit. It is Ok for them to whine and fume hate and anger, but let even a hint of anger show from the other side and they go crying to mommy.

Grow up!!


Mr.O'Rourke sure knows his liberals.

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Mar 20, 2016 03:29:52   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
fiatlux wrote:
The Second Amendment protects only gun owners, so it is not a right but a privilege for an elite class of people. The Second Amendment is a direct threat to my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Unrestricted gun ownership? This is a threat on the common good. It is domestic terrorism. The irresponsible proliferation of arms to any citizen to use in any form they feel a need, is an abomination.


Lets see now...the Constitution does not give you the right to be drunk and stupid, so.....you have no rights. The Second Amendment protects EVERYONE from being VICTIM to dictators and run away Government.


enabling the people to organize a militia system.
participating in law enforcement;
deterring tyrannical government;[56]
repelling invasion;
suppressing insurrection, allegedly including slave revolts;[57][58][59]
facilitating a natural right of self-defense.

That also includes that we can protect ourselves against drunk bums that desire to attack without provocation....so you best behave, you drunk bum and mind your manners!

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Mar 20, 2016 19:34:05   #
EconomistDon
 
fiatlux wrote:
There are no universal restrictions, which is the only way restrictions can work. The states with the loosest gun laws have the greatest gun violence, and traveling to such states to purchase a firearm is not restricted. This love of guns is pure, unadulterated madness.


With that statement, you've proven that you don't know what you are talking about. Do you realize that Chicago is a gun-free zone? Do you also realize that Chicago has the highest gun violence record in the nation? Of course you didn't know that or you wouldn't be making these outlandish comments. It doesn't matter if guns were outlawed everywhere and confiscated. Criminals would still have guns. And there would be more gun violence, not less, just like Chicago.

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