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Mar 21, 2016 03:47:10   #
fiatlux
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
I can understand the hoplophobic mindset when it comes to fear of guns (or weapons in general), what I don't understand is how you can twist an interpretation of the 2nd Amendment into a fucking pretzel. The Bill of Rights in its entirety, 1st through the 10th Amendment, spell out very clearly that those rights apply to ALL the citizens of the United States. That phrase in the 2nd, "THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE", means exactly that. You have the right to bear arms, IF YOU WANT TO. If you don't want to bear arms, and I have no doubt about that, then DON'T. OK?

Yeah, under the 1st Amendment you have the right to wail and whine and complain 'til your fucking tongue bleeds, but you DO NOT have the right to DEMAND AN INFRINGEMENT OF ANY OF OUR RIGHTS.

It is patently obvious that your knowledge and understanding of our constitution is lacking or non-existent. No doubt this ignorance extends to the history of our founding, including the founders intent in including a bill of rights in our constitution. Codifying our Bill of Rights was not easy, it was a struggle among those men to get them in the constitution.

The Second Amendment does not ‘give’ citizens any rights. Rather, as the U.S. Supreme Court explained in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Second Amendment codifies,’ ‘protects,’ and ‘secure(s)’ a right — rather than ‘grants,’ ‘bestows,’ or ‘gives’ one.

The Supreme Court explicitly stated that ‘it has always been widely understood that the Second Amendment, like the First and Fourth Amendments, codified a pre-existing right. The Second Amendment text recognizes the right as pre-existent, declaring only that it “shall not be infringed.”’ Id. at 592 (emphasis added). That is why the Court concluded in Heller that the right to keep and bear arms ‘belongs to all Americans.’ Id. at 581 (emphasis added).


READ CAREFULLY, "THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS BELONGS TO ALL AMERICANS." Just as it is the right of all Americans to "freely exercise" the religion of their choice, it is quite apparent that not all Americans do so. They have the right to that choice. Yet, like you and your tirades against the 2nd Amendment, the secular humanists and atheists among us actively INFRINGE on the rights of the religious to exercise their faith.

What you are doing is advocating tyranny. If that is what you want, there are plenty of countries that will accommodate you. We Americans are already too close to serfdom under an increasingly despotic government, and if you left-wing crackpots don't back the hell off, you will finally have something bloody to scream about.
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Okay. You are really dense. I get that. Read the 2nd amendment again. Who does it specifically protect? If I choose to bear arms, it will protect me, but if I don't? This is not true of any other amendment. This is so obvious. Read it! The 2nd does not apply to all citizens! If I choose to bear an arm, yes, but if not, no. And how am I protected from the proliferation of arms you or possibly less friendly people freely want to collect? A nuclear device? Overstated, maybe. A machine gun? A claymore mind? Where does it end?

You guys never finish the thought to its natural conclusion.

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Mar 21, 2016 03:47:57   #
fiatlux
 
fiatlux wrote:
Okay. You are really dense. I get that. Read the 2nd amendment again. Who does it specifically protect? If I choose to bear arms, it will protect me, but if I don't? This is not true of any other amendment. This is so obvious. Read it! The 2nd does not apply to all citizens! If I choose to bear an arm, yes, but if not, no. And how am I protected from the proliferation of arms you or possibly less friendly people freely want to collect? A nuclear device? Overstated, maybe. A machine gun? A claymore mind? Where does it end?

You guys never finish the thought to its natural conclusion.
Okay. You are really dense. I get that. Read the 2... (show quote)

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Mar 21, 2016 08:22:37   #
Gatsby
 
DEBUNK:

1. The 2 sources which you cite are repetitions of one "study"

2. The results rank Michigan and Illinois in the group 31-40 for "gun violence"

THE TRUTH:

1. Michigan ranks 14th for murder in 2014*


2. Illinois ranks 15th for murder in 2015*

You don't let the facts get in the way do you?

Do you mindlessly swallow all of the progressive pablum, or are you selective?

Or do you not consider being murdered a threat to you and yours?

Study and conclusion both invalid!

* DOJ Uniform Crime Report 2014

fiatlux wrote:
Fact: the states with the loosest gun laws have the most gun crimes.
http://davidlifferth.ning.com/profiles/blogs/study-states-with-loose-gun-laws-have-higher-rates-of-gun
http://www.deseretnews.com/top/1429/1/Wisconsin-10-states-with-the-most-lenient-gun-laws-.html
California has the strictest gun control and a reduction of gun violence: look it up.

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Mar 21, 2016 08:26:14   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
Gatsby wrote:
DEBUNK:

1. The 2 sources which you cite are repetitions of one "study"

2. The results rank Michigan and Illinois in the group 31-40 for "gun violence"

THE TRUTH:

1. Michigan ranks 14th for murder in 2014*


2. Illinois ranks 15th for murder in 2015*

You don't let the facts get in the way do you?

Do you mindlessly swallow all of the progressive pablum, or are you selective?

Or do you not consider being murdered a threat to you and yours?

Study and conclusion both invalid!

* DOJ Uniform Crime Report 2014
DEBUNK: br br 1. The 2 sources which you cite ar... (show quote)


Facts mean nothing to her.

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Mar 21, 2016 11:51:47   #
promilitary
 
fiatlux wrote:
The Second Amendment protects only gun owners, so it is not a right but a privilege for an elite class of people. The Second Amendment is a direct threat to my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Unrestricted gun ownership? This is a threat on the common good. It is domestic terrorism. The irresponsible proliferation of arms to any citizen to use in any form they feel a need, is an abomination.


My God, don't you idiots ever get your head out? Consider that Chicago has always had the most restrictions on guns and it is rife with gun violence. I would suggest that if you want to feel safer, settle into a gun free zone....but must warn you that all of the mass shootings are committed in GUN FREE ZONES. Those gun free zones are where your right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness are threatened.

The Second Amendment certainly does not protect ONLY
"elitist" gun owners. It protects EVERY citizens RIGHT to own a gun.....even yours.

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Mar 22, 2016 00:27:34   #
EconomistDon
 
fiatlux wrote:
This is the most brilliant and cogent argument so far from the Right. Scathingly insightful as regards the subject. Do you have a frontal lobe?


Definition of Fiat ---

1: a command or act of will that creates something without or as if without further effort

2: an authoritative determination

3: an authoritative or arbitrary order

Fiat lux, your comments resemble the definition of your name. You issue an opinion and expect it to be accepted as fact, undeserving of rebuttal. There have been many solid responses to your opinion, but you refuse to recognize any of them as having any merit. And why should you? Your edict is an authoritative determination --- right? There have also been spiteful responses that are well deserved due to your stubborn refusal to accept or even consider any reasonable response. Rather than consider the merits of others' arguments, you question their ability to understand English, or suggest that they don't have a frontal lobe. I recognize your authoritative attitude; it shines through from liberals on many subjects. Liberals cop this attitude when they know they are on shaky ground and don't want to discus the subject any further for fear of losing the argument. It's a given fact or settled science -- right? An opposing opinion has no business wasting your time; just shut up an grow a brain -- right Fiat?

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Mar 22, 2016 00:47:25   #
EconomistDon
 
fiatlux wrote:
Okay. You are really dense. I get that. Read the 2nd amendment again. Who does it specifically protect? If I choose to bear arms, it will protect me, but if I don't? This is not true of any other amendment. This is so obvious. Read it! The 2nd does not apply to all citizens! If I choose to bear an arm, yes, but if not, no. And how am I protected from the proliferation of arms you or possibly less friendly people freely want to collect? A nuclear device? Overstated, maybe. A machine gun? A claymore mind? Where does it end?

You guys never finish the thought to its natural conclusion.
Okay. You are really dense. I get that. Read the 2... (show quote)


See Fiat, here is an example of you calling someone "dense" when it is you who are dense. By your logic, if you are a black woman and never vote, the 15th and 19th amendments don't protect you. By my logic, and every other thinking person here, the two amendments do protect your right to vote, even if you choose not to vote. By the same token, the second amendment protects your right to own arms, even if you choose not to purchase arms. I do not own a gun. I've never had anything bigger than a BB gun. But I want the protection of the second amendment. I have acreage with growing food, a geothermal heat system, and solar panels. If the dollar crashes due to careless liberal spending, chaos could ensue. My home would be target for every desperate SOB who thinks they could take it from me. But my neighbor is a militia member with extensive military training. I will give him food and shelter and he will give me protection. So the second amendment protects me even though I do not own a gun.

Get it???

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Mar 22, 2016 01:34:00   #
truthbetold
 
fiatlux wrote:
Unrestricted gun control? Anyone anywhere having a gun? And those without must live in fear or concede to an ideology of violence? An eye for eye? Can you not see how terrible and irresponsible it is to oppose gun control? Reasonable things like universal registration? Do you hate domestic tranquility and our pursuit of happiness so much that you want anyone anywhere accommodated with fatal force? Everyone armed? It is total madness. This is so far down the rabbit hole to talk about this I feel I am in a Lewis Carroll novel.
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Were you a failed late term abortion? You are one ignorant idiot.?

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Mar 22, 2016 02:02:05   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
fiatlux wrote:
Who does it specifically protect? If I choose to bear arms, it will protect me, but if I don't? This is not true of any other amendment. This is so obvious. Read it! The 2nd does not apply to all citizens! If I choose to bear an arm, yes, but if not, no. And how am I protected from the proliferation of arms you or possibly less friendly people freely want to collect? A nuclear device? Overstated, maybe. A machine gun? A claymore mind? Where does it end?

You guys never finish the thought to its natural conclusion.
Who does it specifically protect? If I choose to ... (show quote)
Your right to bear arms is protected whether or not you choose to bear them.

Your problem is irrational fear. Out of hypocrisy and arrogance, you are demonizing all those who exercise the right to bear arms, you are demonizing the gun, every gun owner is a fucking terrorist. I already posted that unless one has a valid class 3 FFL, ownership of an automatic weapon (machine gun) is illegal. And, what's this crap about a nuclear device?

"A claymore mind"? No doubt a typo, but it certainly fits you. Your mind is always a couple clicks away from exploding. Be careful.

FYI:You really want to protect yourself from the "proliferation of arms we or possibly less friendly people freely want to collect", exercise your 2nd Amendment right. Get a gun.

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Mar 22, 2016 02:06:21   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
truthbetold wrote:
Were you a failed late term abortion? You are one ignorant idiot.?


Where the hell did you get my photo?

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