PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

The far Left has promulgated this atrocity upon the American people and are trying to retain their majority in the Senate and not lose more seats in the House. They are being raked over the coals by their constituents in their 'town hall meetings' throughout the country. It is a loser and they are running like mad to distance themselves from it.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

Read your own post.

Comment Loc: California

Good saying guys. I think (as opposed to
I don't think. Don't want you to think I don't think :lol: ) there is no such thing as illegal immigration. Trespassers, illegal aliens and felons and thieves (breathing our air, taking up good space that could be better utilized by a US citizen, drinking our scarce water, electricity, contributing to the carbon footprint, clogging up our roads, taking our food stamps, etc.) are better terms. :roll:

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

eden

Obfuscation is not your usual MO. You failed to address both the letter and the spirit of my post. I am disappointed.

eden

Actually the far left wanted a full public option and are almost as disaffected
by ACA as you are. Can you provide evidence of this "coal raking" at town hall meetings you speak of? I mean media articles from a reputable source...anything will do. Exaggerations to reinforce your opinion may be emotionally satisfying but like fast food may not be sustaining in the long term. Again I invite you to point out the alternative. As you yourself has noted in previous posts Medicare is being trimmed and if that is the trend where will all this end? If you are trying to make a case for the dismantling of Obamacare
without a viable alternative you are failing to make your case.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

Obama took 715 Million dollars from medicare to jump start obamacare. Is that why medicare isn't solvent or is hurting?

eden

"The biggest savings from the Affordable Care Act come from reductions in the future growth of payments to hospitals — about $415 billion over 10 years. That’s Medicare Part A. Income for Part A comes mainly from payroll taxes. If Medicare doesn’t need to spend that income immediately, it’s credited to Part A’s trust fund, and Medicare gets a Treasury bond that it can cash in later. Anytime Medicare needs to cash in that bond, Treasury must pay it. Even if Treasury spent the original money on something else, it must pay the bond.
So, campaign claims that imply that Obama has taken money out of Medicare, and Medicare won’t ever get it back, are simply not true.
At an Aug. 21 campaign stop in West Chester, Pa., Ryan said Obama and the Democrats “turned Medicare into a piggy bank to fund Obamacare. They took $716 billion from Medicare to pay for their Obamacare program.” On the other hand, he added, Republicans are “being candid with our current seniors” and “saying stop the raid on Medicare.”
Unfortunately for Medicare there isn’t $700 billion in any kind of “piggy bank” to “raid.” The trust fund doesn’t have anywhere near that much money — the Part A trust fund only contained $244.2 billion at the end of 2011. And the president can’t actually take money out of the trust fund. Medicare holds those Treasury bonds, and, as we said, it can cash them in anytime it needs the money.
The problem for Medicare is that the trust fund isn’t going up — it’s declining year after year. Some voters may get the mistaken impression that money they paid in to Medicare will pay their benefits once they retire. But as a practical matter the program functions as a pay-as-you-go system. And current income isn’t enough to pay all current benefits.
Without the spending cuts in the Affordable Care Act, the Part A trust fund was expected to be exhausted in 2016. With the ACA cuts, that date was pushed back to 2024.
That makes the RNC’s bankruptcy clock a bit curious. If the federal health care law hadn’t included those cuts to spending, there would be even less time left on that countdown." (FactCheck.org)

Interesting how you keep answering my question with another unrelated
question Old Gringo. You are like a mexican jumping bean. Can you speak to ANY of these issues I raise?

Skyhook

From the above by eden:
"The biggest savings from the Affordable Care Act come from reductions in the future growth of payments to hospitals — about $415 billion over 10 years. That’s Medicare Part A."

I am trying to bring up to memory one hospital which could withstand any reduction in income at present.. and actually seem to recall almost every hospital I know of is suffering from increased expenses (employee/equipment) and are facing increases in projected outlay.

To accept a $415 Billion reduction would spell calamity to all concerned- patients, doctors, and hospitals, one might reasonably conclude.

What seems necessary in this 'implementation scheme' seems to be a suspension of disbelief.

Nuclearian Loc: I live in a Fascist, Liberal State

You are basically an idiot. Or you have no link to the outside world except THIS BOARD. Benghazi, NSA, invasion of privacy, 2nd amendment violations of the Constitution, using the IRS to target conservatives, war crimes against Libya, and soon Syria, and his illegality to be President since he was born in AFRICA? The ONLY reason that nothing is done is because the Republicans are so afraid of being called that "bad word".....RACIST!! Obastard is a war criminal, socialist, and usurper to the Constitution of the USA. He is a traitor to this country, AS IS his supporters.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

Your 'issues' are Prog talking points. It is pointless to attempt to educate you.

Lou Loc: Florida

What can I say , you're an asshole of the highest order. And what did you say shithead ? No link to the outside besides this board ? Are you serious ?
You got 1200 more days or so to choke on your regurgitated Obama Hatred - suck it up asshole .
BTW -SCHMUCKO , the only reason there is no impeachment is because there is no legal reason .

eden

Hmmm...sticks and stones. This is such a target rich environment it is hard to know where to start. Benghazi has petered out even as a news story because it was widely perceived by the media and even some on the right to have no legs. Of course it is tragic that these good Americans lost their lives but every President has presided over a catastrophe like this. Hardly grounds for impeachment of Obama although it is clear heads should roll in the State Dept. and other relevant places.

NSA? Clearly out of control. They need a trimming.

2nd Amendment violations? Why is it that when someone says something must be done about gun violence there is this presumption that all guns are going to be confiscated? Are you one of those people that looks in the refrigerator and falls on the floor in hysterics because that egg on the second shelf could hatch into a giant chicken that could eat Chicago? This leap from fact to absurdity is very entertaining but not backed up by either the evidence or any reasonable prognosis. (Rounding up all the guns in America...good luck on that one...)

Using the IRS to target conservatives? The President has no authority constitutionally to do any such thing. If it can be proved some overzealous IRS people did something like this they should face criminal charges or at the very least lose their jobs although there is some evidence that liberal groups were scrutinized in the same fashion. It should be noted it is the IRS's job to question the legitimacy of so called "non-profit" groups if their corporate foundation structure looks shaky. As a result of Obama winning in 08 there was apparently a slew of right wing so called "foundations" launched to fund various "superpacs", much more so numerically than from the left.

War crimes against Libya? It seems the Libyans were immensely grateful for the Wests help in eliminating Ghaddafi...did I miss something?
Syria? I withhold judgement on that which has not happened.

If Obama is a War Criminal then who will accompany him to the dock and in what order? All the way back to the Bay of Pigs and beyond you can make a case for war crimes against the US. for various episodes of slaughter. I'm assuming that in the interests of fair play Cheney and Bush will precede Obama to the dock.

A socialist? I grew up in one of those european style "socialist" cultures and I can tell you Obama, based on his policies and actions is center-right (just to the right of George Bush). Anyway being a socialist is a crime?

Born in Africa? Even Fox News' Bill OReilly flatly stated he thinks Obama was born in Hawaii. (Isn't this thing dead yet?)

...and lastly the treason charge. (His supporters too.) So all the people who voted for him should be thrown in jail along with the President? Would you really turn this country into a vast gulag for socialist malcontents like some tin pot african dictatorship? (I would congratulate you on solving the unemployment problem by creating all those prison guard jobs.)

eden

Nice parachute you have there. You are clearly not going to provide any rebuttal other than criticize my presumed sources. Bit like saying "you are wrong because I don't agree with you."

bluejacket

Eden you are the clear silver clarion of reason and it is a joy to read what you have written , please continue , never stop