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Dec 14, 2015 15:44:27   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
payne1000 wrote:
Paul Craig Roberts

Climate change is a controversy. What appear to be independent scientists say that the climate is warming due to greenhouse gases produced by human activity. This warming, apparently measurable, has many impacts on sea levels, and on plant, animal, sea, and bird life, as well as food supply for a heavily populated earth.

Readers, accustomed to me telling them the truth about issues on which I am competent, ask me about the climate problem. Is it real or not?

As far as I can tell the polluting corporations have sufficient think tanks and research institutes to neutralize the independent scientists. If one is not a climate expert, which I am not, one doesn’t really know. However, I have learned in my many years that an independent voice is far more reliable than a paid voice.

Over the years I have come to appreciate Dahr Jamail’s reporting. Here is his report on the situation: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/31089-imminent-collapse-of-the-antarctic-ice-shelf-and-a-new-era-in-the-arctic

Possibly climate change is occurring because of solar activity or because of activity inside the earth itself. The attention should not be on the cause but on the fact. First establish the fact, then look for the cause.

My view of this is that life depends on climate, and it doesn’t take a lot of change in one direction or the other to create problems for life. This fact makes climate change an important issue, and corporations should stop paying people to lie about it.

Climate change, if real, is clearly a much greater threat than Muslim terrorists or alleged Chinese and Russian hegemonic aspirations. Therefore, Washington should spend some of the one trillion dollars Washington blows on the military/security complex on arriving at the best conclusion about climate change and its remedies, if any.

The United States is a strange country. The population accepts the destruction of privacy and civil liberty out of fear of essentially non-existent terrorists created by propaganda, but ignores the threat of climate change presented by independent scientists, a threat amplified by the ongoing multi-year drought in California and the western US.

It seems very strange to me that with Lake Mead drying up and California left with only one year’s water supply that the US government is focused on gratuitous but expensive wars and in turning over environmental decisions to polluting corporations via TTIP.

Whatever this is, it is not leadership.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/06/01/climate-change-paul-craig-roberts/
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Thank goodness for evolution else species would not be able to survive climate change!!

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Dec 14, 2015 16:20:53   #
payne1000
 
Comment wrote:
That's an over simplification; there wasn't any rain for years. There wasn't any over farming. The farmers were sod busters and they plowed the soil. No rain and the soil turned to dust. It was a result of the dust bowl that wind breaks were developed. If the dust bowl happened today the climate change freaks world say it's man made. Proof! You freak tree huggers are freakin nuts. I question your intelligence when you say, "caused by over farming." What a crock. My God, are you that dense?
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You should know by now that I don't post anything I can't provide a source for. Since you obviously didn't learn that, you've made a fool of yourself. http://www.livinghistoryfarm.org/farminginthe30s/machines_05.html

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Dec 14, 2015 16:22:12   #
payne1000
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Thank goodness for evolution else species would not be able to survive climate change!!


Evolution doesn't happen fast enough to save humanity if humanity doesn't decide to wake up and save itself.

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Dec 14, 2015 20:35:18   #
son of witless
 
payne1000 wrote:
Why answer admitted trick questions?


See this is why conversing with liberal is with out profit. Any excuse to duck a question. I do not do that. I honestly try to answer when asked. And trust me I have had many questions thrown at me.

One day I will meet the liberal on here who can defend their positions. I am guessing he has not been born yet.

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Dec 14, 2015 21:03:21   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
payne1000 wrote:
Natural climate change happens very gradually, over many centuries.
What is happening today is not gradual in any way.

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Dec 14, 2015 22:49:41   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
son of witless wrote:
If you go back to 2014 you can find scientists sticking their necks out and saying the California drought is due to natural conditions.

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/global-warming-isnt-causing-california-drought-report-triggers-storm-n263941

Every link I have found in 2015 says Drought made Worse by climate change. Circle the wagons. You will notice how the Global Warming believers attack any difference of opinion. Woe be to any independent thinker.

World Climate Report: Droughts

Critical Thinking: Extreme Weather

Critical Thinking: Climate Change

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Dec 14, 2015 23:09:25   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Actually, I've seen a few articles that say in the past climate change has occurred much, much more rapidly than we had previously believed. My solution for the present climate change catastrophe? Invest in suntan lotion! :thumbup:

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Dec 15, 2015 07:40:47   #
son of witless
 
BigMike wrote:
Actually, I've seen a few articles that say in the past climate change has occurred much, much more rapidly than we had previously believed. My solution for the present climate change catastrophe? Invest in suntan lotion! :thumbup:


The Global Warmers are in full court press mode. I watch a lot of nature shows on TV. Mixed in are always Global Warming warnings about how what ever is happening is worse because of Global Warming. Some poor mother polar bear can barely keep her cuddly little baby bear fed on even cuter baby seals because of disappearing Arctic Ice.

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Dec 15, 2015 09:33:52   #
Comment Loc: California
 
payne1000 wrote:
You should know by now that I don't post anything I can't provide a source for. Since you obviously didn't learn that, you've made a fool of yourself. http://www.livinghistoryfarm.org/farminginthe30s/machines_05.html


It's so bad that you are an idiot. Your reference completely ignored the lack of rain. Therefore, like you, the author is a complete idiot. You are a brainless fool.

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Dec 15, 2015 15:55:13   #
payne1000
 
Comment wrote:
It's so bad that you are an idiot. Your reference completely ignored the lack of rain. Therefore, like you, the author is a complete idiot. You are a brainless fool.


California has had a historic drought. California didn't become a dust bowl. Could the reason be that lessons were learned in Oklahoma. Farmers don't over plow anymore. All the insults you can muster can't hide the fact that you are the only brainless fool in this conversation.

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Dec 15, 2015 16:31:07   #
Comment Loc: California
 
payne1000 wrote:
California has had a historic drought. California didn't become a dust bowl. Could the reason be that lessons were learned in Oklahoma. Farmers don't over plow anymore. All the insults you can muster can't hide the fact that you are the only brainless fool in this conversation.


You are still an insulting idiot. Period! A real pea brain asswell.

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Dec 15, 2015 16:33:00   #
payne1000
 
Comment wrote:
You are still an insulting idiot. Period! A real pea brain asswell.


Idiocy refutes itself.

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Dec 15, 2015 16:47:51   #
Comment Loc: California
 
payne1000 wrote:
Idiocy refutes itself.


As you look into the mirror.

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Dec 15, 2015 17:14:18   #
payne1000
 
Comment wrote:
As you look into the mirror.


Idiocy continues to refute itself.

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Dec 15, 2015 20:43:39   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
son of witless wrote:
The Global Warmers are in full court press mode. I watch a lot of nature shows on TV. Mixed in are always Global Warming warnings about how what ever is happening is worse because of Global Warming. Some poor mother polar bear can barely keep her cuddly little baby bear fed on even cuter baby seals because of disappearing Arctic Ice.

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They switch to clams! :lol:

Er...where do seals have their pups when there's no ice? In fact, where do seals rest when not at sea...when there's no ice?

I think the bears will figure it out. :thumbup:

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