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Mar 12, 2017 16:57:59   #
Homestead
 
payne1000 wrote:
I don't have to investigate. My eyes tell me what is going on.


You'd better look closer, because those chemicals are accused of ruining the soil and creating problems.

You don't believe it.

I guess it's a coincidence that the company manufacturing those chemicals, are also creating seeds that can survive in soil conditions created by those chemicals, that they claim that they are not creating.

Then we get into the area of whether change.

Every change in weather is blamed on climate change, while you admit that you know that the government is mucking with the weather.

Which means that the government can be responsible for any unusual weather patterns which can then be blamed on global warming.

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Mar 12, 2017 16:58:10   #
S. Maturin
 
Pulfnick wrote:
While Paul Craig Roberts has great credentials as an economist, he rightly admits he knows nothing about climate change. So far so good. He also has no scientific background whatsoever, and this article is simply accepting on faith that climate is measurably warming, and that scientists flogging the myth are "independent".

In fact, the scientist creating the "data" beyond the myth are anything but independent. They are paid for by the people who benefit from the hoax: politicians in office and con artists like Al Gore who use the hoax to enrich themselves. And Robert's assertion that corporations

But he says corporations pay people to lie about it! This is pure idiocy, sadly displaying an irrational side. Roberts does know all about using data to prove his point, and his lack of data, just absurd statements, is way below himself.
While Paul Craig Roberts has great credentials as ... (show quote)


Nicely put.
Since the so-called scientists who have glommed onto the 'sky-is-falling warming mantra are but whores of progressives and are paid through the pipeline leading straight back to progressive bubble enchantresses, I find that they lack all credibility and should be ignored and derided whenever the situation presents itself.
The very first thing those 'scientists' and their associates with PhD degrees throw away is whatever common sense they had before their 'conversions'. Most of those 'scientists' and "perfessers" possess is a surprisingly chained intellect devoid of common sense. They can think only as far as their chains allow them to since they are stuck to the teats of the 'progressive providers' for their salaries and grants.

The little Disney tale was delightful, but devoid of real science. It's nonsense.

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Mar 12, 2017 17:15:38   #
payne1000
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
You can't hide your lyin' eyes
And your smile is a thin disguise
I thought by now you'd realize
There ain't no way to hide your lyin eyes"
H/T Eagles


Your theme song?

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Mar 12, 2017 17:16:53   #
payne1000
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Hey, moron, Brennan is gone, the CIA has a new boss. Mike Pompeo is not an ideological puppet.

I look at the sky every day, all I see is blue sky, sometimes white clouds, sometimes black ones, and once in a while I see the contrail of an aircraft way up high. At night I often see the moon and stars. Life is good.

As far as I can see, the world is out of control, those dumbfucks in your so-called cabal that control the world are doing a great job. aren't they?


How will you react when the CIA does admit publicly to chemtrails?

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Mar 13, 2017 09:43:38   #
reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.
 
payne1000 wrote:
In how many of those 76 years have you viewed chemtrails?

I'm 75 and I didn't start seeing chemtrails until about 10 years ago.


I'm 59 and remember being fascinated as a young boy at the smoke trails coming from planes . Later in life I learned it was not necessarily smoke , its what happens when super heated exhaust is released into cold atmosphere .. Now ,, Does the gov. or others release chemicals into atmosphere in an attempt to control weather or population ? I do not know that answer and neither do you ..

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Mar 13, 2017 19:06:56   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
payne1000 wrote:
How will you react when the CIA does admit publicly to chemtrails?


Molt perhaps?



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Mar 13, 2017 20:15:01   #
Homestead
 
reconreb wrote:
I'm 59 and remember being fascinated as a young boy at the smoke trails coming from planes . Later in life I learned it was not necessarily smoke , its what happens when super heated exhaust is released into cold atmosphere .. Now ,, Does the gov. or others release chemicals into atmosphere in an attempt to control weather or population ? I do not know that answer and neither do you ..


It's easy enough to find out.

Alex Jones of Prison Planet has a list of the chemicals they are accused of using.

The last time I checked it costs about $120.00 to have a soils sample or a water sample tested for those chemicals.

Either they are there or they are not. If they are there, how did they get there.

Others have done the tests and they found those chemicals in their neighborhood.

I haven't had the money to do it myself yet, but, it is on the list of things to do.

I don't like being lied to or played by anybody and there is only one way to find out, one way or another.

Stop speculating and find out.

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Mar 13, 2017 21:05:02   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
payne1000 wrote:
How will you react when the CIA does admit publicly to chemtrails?
Do you have some inside info that this will ever happen? You don't trust the government or any of its agencies, why would you rely on them now?


Greenpeace’s view on ‘Chemtrails’

Posted by G.Thompson — 13 March 2015 at 3:30pm

The Oxford English Dictionary defines a ‘chemtrail’ as –

A visible trail left in the sky by an aircraft and believed by some to consist of chemical or biological agents released as part of a covert operation, rather than the condensed water of a vapour trail.

Wikipedia says –

According to the chemtrail conspiracy theory, long-lasting trails left in the sky by high-flying aircraft are chemical or biological agents deliberately sprayed for sinister purposes undisclosed to the general public.

Greenpeace have not seen sufficient evidence to justify further investigation into whether this is a real problem. As far as we are concerned, chemtrails are an urban myth - a conspiracy theory with no conspiracy.

We are aware of various vaguely similar but confirmed phenomena:

Carbon emissions – aviation is the fastest growing source of carbon emissions, and the fact these emissions are produced at altitude increases their impact upon the climate. For this reason we believe aviation growth needs to be constrained to keep us within ‘safe’ emission limits. This is a particular problem in the UK, where we fly more than any other country in the world, and yet are still told that we urgently need more runways. CO2 is invisible, and emitted as an unavoidable side-effect of burning kerosene.

Cloud seeding – emitting silver iodide or other chemicals into clouds causes the water vapour held in those clouds to condense around the silver iodide into rain, and fall to the ground. This can be used to encourage rain, by seeding the clouds over a site which needs more water, or to discourage rain by seeding clouds before they reach a site where people want dry weather. The most famous example of cloud seeding was during the Beijing Olympics, where it was used to prevent rain over the Olympic sites. This process would be carried out by rockets, as in Beijing, or light aircraft, not by passenger jets, and it is not particularly common.

Geoengineering – Geoengineering is the science of deliberately altering the global climate and is currently almost entirely theoretical. All geoengineering techniques are regarded as potentially hazardous, as they can only work by having very large impacts on how our atmosphere functions, with the possible risks being equally large. There are many different techniques proposed, some of which could include aircraft emitting substances to block sunlight from reaching the earth. The very few techniques which have had some limited, localised testing do not utilise aircraft. If the chemtrail conspiracy is real, then it is not a geoengineering project, as it has had no discernible impact on the climate.

HAARP – the High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program was an ionospheric research programme conducted by various dodgy outfits connected to the US and UK military. God knows what it was intended to do, but it closed last year. It may have been something worth worrying about, but it doesn’t seem to have utilised large numbers of aircraft, and did not receive the level of funding that would be required to do so on the scale of the alleged chemtrail conspiracy.

None of these phenomena explain visible vapour trails from commercial passenger jets. Fortunately, there is an explanation. The visible trails are contrails (short for ‘condensation trails’) and they consist of water vapour condensed due to the temperature differential created by the pressure differential between the upper and lower surfaces of the wings, the wing tips, or engines.

If you would like to communicate with Greenpeace about one or more of the confirmed phenomena described above, please avoid using the term ‘chemtrails’ as it may cause confusion.

Evidence

Greenpeace has been sent an enormous number of pictures and videos of vapour trails, all of which look like normal contrails behaving exactly like normal contrails - to us, at least. We have also been sent lots of links to websites and blogs claiming to expose the chemtrail conspiracy. The evidence on these blogs tends to consist of pictures and videos of vapour trails, all of which look exactly like normal contrails etc.

What we would require, in order to consider researching this alleged conspiracy, would be one of two things. Either clear statements from appropriate experts such as professors of atmospheric physics, fluid dynamics or aeronautical engineering, explaining how they determined that these apparent contrails are not in fact contrails but chemtrails, or, alternatively, clear statements from aviation workers detailing their experiences fitting, refilling and operating the systems used to disperse the chemicals from the planes. As there are literally millions of people working in the aviation industry around the world, many of whom are fairly low-paid, the chances of them keeping something like this quiet are fairly minimal, if it’s really happening.

If you would like to communicate with Greenpeace about chemtrails, as described in the OED or Wikipedia, please wait until you have what we would regard as evidence – statements from either properly qualified academics or appropriately experienced aviation workers supporting your concerns.

Please do not assume that a YouTube video or blog which convinced you will convince us. We’ve already seen them, and we weren’t convinced. Please do not think that accusing us of being part of the ‘chemtrail conspiracy’ will change our minds. We’re constantly accused by governments and security services of being in the pay of other governments and security services. It hasn’t changed the way we work and is unlikely to do so in the future.

Greenpeace require a reliable evidence base before campaigning on any issue. So far, we haven’t seen any evidence supporting the chemtrails hypothesis.

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Mar 14, 2017 22:38:00   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Do you have some inside info that this will ever happen? You don't trust the government or any of its agencies, why would you rely on them now?


Greenpeace’s view on ‘Chemtrails’

Posted by G.Thompson — 13 March 2015 at 3:30pm

The Oxford English Dictionary defines a ‘chemtrail’ as –

A visible trail left in the sky by an aircraft and believed by some to consist of chemical or biological agents released as part of a covert operation, rather than the condensed water of a vapour trail.

Wikipedia says –

According to the chemtrail conspiracy theory, long-lasting trails left in the sky by high-flying aircraft are chemical or biological agents deliberately sprayed for sinister purposes undisclosed to the general public.

Greenpeace have not seen sufficient evidence to justify further investigation into whether this is a real problem. As far as we are concerned, chemtrails are an urban myth - a conspiracy theory with no conspiracy.

We are aware of various vaguely similar but confirmed phenomena:

Carbon emissions – aviation is the fastest growing source of carbon emissions, and the fact these emissions are produced at altitude increases their impact upon the climate. For this reason we believe aviation growth needs to be constrained to keep us within ‘safe’ emission limits. This is a particular problem in the UK, where we fly more than any other country in the world, and yet are still told that we urgently need more runways. CO2 is invisible, and emitted as an unavoidable side-effect of burning kerosene.

Cloud seeding – emitting silver iodide or other chemicals into clouds causes the water vapour held in those clouds to condense around the silver iodide into rain, and fall to the ground. This can be used to encourage rain, by seeding the clouds over a site which needs more water, or to discourage rain by seeding clouds before they reach a site where people want dry weather. The most famous example of cloud seeding was during the Beijing Olympics, where it was used to prevent rain over the Olympic sites. This process would be carried out by rockets, as in Beijing, or light aircraft, not by passenger jets, and it is not particularly common.

Geoengineering – Geoengineering is the science of deliberately altering the global climate and is currently almost entirely theoretical. All geoengineering techniques are regarded as potentially hazardous, as they can only work by having very large impacts on how our atmosphere functions, with the possible risks being equally large. There are many different techniques proposed, some of which could include aircraft emitting substances to block sunlight from reaching the earth. The very few techniques which have had some limited, localised testing do not utilise aircraft. If the chemtrail conspiracy is real, then it is not a geoengineering project, as it has had no discernible impact on the climate.

HAARP – the High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program was an ionospheric research programme conducted by various dodgy outfits connected to the US and UK military. God knows what it was intended to do, but it closed last year. It may have been something worth worrying about, but it doesn’t seem to have utilised large numbers of aircraft, and did not receive the level of funding that would be required to do so on the scale of the alleged chemtrail conspiracy.

None of these phenomena explain visible vapour trails from commercial passenger jets. Fortunately, there is an explanation. The visible trails are contrails (short for ‘condensation trails’) and they consist of water vapour condensed due to the temperature differential created by the pressure differential between the upper and lower surfaces of the wings, the wing tips, or engines.

If you would like to communicate with Greenpeace about one or more of the confirmed phenomena described above, please avoid using the term ‘chemtrails’ as it may cause confusion.

Evidence

Greenpeace has been sent an enormous number of pictures and videos of vapour trails, all of which look like normal contrails behaving exactly like normal contrails - to us, at least. We have also been sent lots of links to websites and blogs claiming to expose the chemtrail conspiracy. The evidence on these blogs tends to consist of pictures and videos of vapour trails, all of which look exactly like normal contrails etc.

What we would require, in order to consider researching this alleged conspiracy, would be one of two things. Either clear statements from appropriate experts such as professors of atmospheric physics, fluid dynamics or aeronautical engineering, explaining how they determined that these apparent contrails are not in fact contrails but chemtrails, or, alternatively, clear statements from aviation workers detailing their experiences fitting, refilling and operating the systems used to disperse the chemicals from the planes. As there are literally millions of people working in the aviation industry around the world, many of whom are fairly low-paid, the chances of them keeping something like this quiet are fairly minimal, if it’s really happening.

If you would like to communicate with Greenpeace about chemtrails, as described in the OED or Wikipedia, please wait until you have what we would regard as evidence – statements from either properly qualified academics or appropriately experienced aviation workers supporting your concerns.

Please do not assume that a YouTube video or blog which convinced you will convince us. We’ve already seen them, and we weren’t convinced. Please do not think that accusing us of being part of the ‘chemtrail conspiracy’ will change our minds. We’re constantly accused by governments and security services of being in the pay of other governments and security services. It hasn’t changed the way we work and is unlikely to do so in the future.

Greenpeace require a reliable evidence base before campaigning on any issue. So far, we haven’t seen any evidence supporting the chemtrails hypothesis.
Do you have some inside info that this will ever h... (show quote)


I have a cousin who thinks a recording device was put in his head while he was in Juvenile Hall.

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Mar 15, 2017 07:42:32   #
S. Maturin
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Do you have some inside info that this will ever happen? You don't trust the government or any of its agencies, why would you rely on them now?


Greenpeace’s view on ‘Chemtrails’

Posted by G.Thompson — 13 March 2015 at 3:30pm

The Oxford English Dictionary defines a ‘chemtrail’ as –

A visible trail left in the sky by an aircraft and believed by some to consist of chemical or biological agents released as part of a covert operation, rather than the condensed water of a vapour trail.

Wikipedia says –

According to the chemtrail conspiracy theory, long-lasting trails left in the sky by high-flying aircraft are chemical or biological agents deliberately sprayed for sinister purposes undisclosed to the general public.

Greenpeace have not seen sufficient evidence to justify further investigation into whether this is a real problem. As far as we are concerned, chemtrails are an urban myth - a conspiracy theory with no conspiracy.

We are aware of various vaguely similar but confirmed phenomena:

Carbon emissions – aviation is the fastest growing source of carbon emissions, and the fact these emissions are produced at altitude increases their impact upon the climate. For this reason we believe aviation growth needs to be constrained to keep us within ‘safe’ emission limits. This is a particular problem in the UK, where we fly more than any other country in the world, and yet are still told that we urgently need more runways. CO2 is invisible, and emitted as an unavoidable side-effect of burning kerosene.

Cloud seeding – emitting silver iodide or other chemicals into clouds causes the water vapour held in those clouds to condense around the silver iodide into rain, and fall to the ground. This can be used to encourage rain, by seeding the clouds over a site which needs more water, or to discourage rain by seeding clouds before they reach a site where people want dry weather. The most famous example of cloud seeding was during the Beijing Olympics, where it was used to prevent rain over the Olympic sites. This process would be carried out by rockets, as in Beijing, or light aircraft, not by passenger jets, and it is not particularly common.

Geoengineering – Geoengineering is the science of deliberately altering the global climate and is currently almost entirely theoretical. All geoengineering techniques are regarded as potentially hazardous, as they can only work by having very large impacts on how our atmosphere functions, with the possible risks being equally large. There are many different techniques proposed, some of which could include aircraft emitting substances to block sunlight from reaching the earth. The very few techniques which have had some limited, localised testing do not utilise aircraft. If the chemtrail conspiracy is real, then it is not a geoengineering project, as it has had no discernible impact on the climate.

HAARP – the High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program was an ionospheric research programme conducted by various dodgy outfits connected to the US and UK military. God knows what it was intended to do, but it closed last year. It may have been something worth worrying about, but it doesn’t seem to have utilised large numbers of aircraft, and did not receive the level of funding that would be required to do so on the scale of the alleged chemtrail conspiracy.

None of these phenomena explain visible vapour trails from commercial passenger jets. Fortunately, there is an explanation. The visible trails are contrails (short for ‘condensation trails’) and they consist of water vapour condensed due to the temperature differential created by the pressure differential between the upper and lower surfaces of the wings, the wing tips, or engines.

If you would like to communicate with Greenpeace about one or more of the confirmed phenomena described above, please avoid using the term ‘chemtrails’ as it may cause confusion.

Evidence

Greenpeace has been sent an enormous number of pictures and videos of vapour trails, all of which look like normal contrails behaving exactly like normal contrails - to us, at least. We have also been sent lots of links to websites and blogs claiming to expose the chemtrail conspiracy. The evidence on these blogs tends to consist of pictures and videos of vapour trails, all of which look exactly like normal contrails etc.

What we would require, in order to consider researching this alleged conspiracy, would be one of two things. Either clear statements from appropriate experts such as professors of atmospheric physics, fluid dynamics or aeronautical engineering, explaining how they determined that these apparent contrails are not in fact contrails but chemtrails, or, alternatively, clear statements from aviation workers detailing their experiences fitting, refilling and operating the systems used to disperse the chemicals from the planes. As there are literally millions of people working in the aviation industry around the world, many of whom are fairly low-paid, the chances of them keeping something like this quiet are fairly minimal, if it’s really happening.

If you would like to communicate with Greenpeace about chemtrails, as described in the OED or Wikipedia, please wait until you have what we would regard as evidence – statements from either properly qualified academics or appropriately experienced aviation workers supporting your concerns.

Please do not assume that a YouTube video or blog which convinced you will convince us. We’ve already seen them, and we weren’t convinced. Please do not think that accusing us of being part of the ‘chemtrail conspiracy’ will change our minds. We’re constantly accused by governments and security services of being in the pay of other governments and security services. It hasn’t changed the way we work and is unlikely to do so in the future.

Greenpeace require a reliable evidence base before campaigning on any issue. So far, we haven’t seen any evidence supporting the chemtrails hypothesis.
Do you have some inside info that this will ever h... (show quote)


Have no fear... HILLARY'S ON IT!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WovYnLL9Yow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WovYnLL9Yow

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Oct 2, 2017 06:34:02   #
Chameleon12
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Do you have some inside info that this will ever happen? You don't trust the government or any of its agencies, why would you rely on them now?


Greenpeace’s view on ‘Chemtrails’

Posted by G.Thompson — 13 March 2015 at 3:30pm

The Oxford English Dictionary defines a ‘chemtrail’ as –

A visible trail left in the sky by an aircraft and believed by some to consist of chemical or biological agents released as part of a covert operation, rather than the condensed water of a vapour trail.

Wikipedia says –

According to the chemtrail conspiracy theory, long-lasting trails left in the sky by high-flying aircraft are chemical or biological agents deliberately sprayed for sinister purposes undisclosed to the general public.

Greenpeace have not seen sufficient evidence to justify further investigation into whether this is a real problem. As far as we are concerned, chemtrails are an urban myth - a conspiracy theory with no conspiracy.

We are aware of various vaguely similar but confirmed phenomena:

Carbon emissions – aviation is the fastest growing source of carbon emissions, and the fact these emissions are produced at altitude increases their impact upon the climate. For this reason we believe aviation growth needs to be constrained to keep us within ‘safe’ emission limits. This is a particular problem in the UK, where we fly more than any other country in the world, and yet are still told that we urgently need more runways. CO2 is invisible, and emitted as an unavoidable side-effect of burning kerosene.

Cloud seeding – emitting silver iodide or other chemicals into clouds causes the water vapour held in those clouds to condense around the silver iodide into rain, and fall to the ground. This can be used to encourage rain, by seeding the clouds over a site which needs more water, or to discourage rain by seeding clouds before they reach a site where people want dry weather. The most famous example of cloud seeding was during the Beijing Olympics, where it was used to prevent rain over the Olympic sites. This process would be carried out by rockets, as in Beijing, or light aircraft, not by passenger jets, and it is not particularly common.

Geoengineering – Geoengineering is the science of deliberately altering the global climate and is currently almost entirely theoretical. All geoengineering techniques are regarded as potentially hazardous, as they can only work by having very large impacts on how our atmosphere functions, with the possible risks being equally large. There are many different techniques proposed, some of which could include aircraft emitting substances to block sunlight from reaching the earth. The very few techniques which have had some limited, localised testing do not utilise aircraft. If the chemtrail conspiracy is real, then it is not a geoengineering project, as it has had no discernible impact on the climate.

HAARP – the High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program was an ionospheric research programme conducted by various dodgy outfits connected to the US and UK military. God knows what it was intended to do, but it closed last year. It may have been something worth worrying about, but it doesn’t seem to have utilised large numbers of aircraft, and did not receive the level of funding that would be required to do so on the scale of the alleged chemtrail conspiracy.

None of these phenomena explain visible vapour trails from commercial passenger jets. Fortunately, there is an explanation. The visible trails are contrails (short for ‘condensation trails’) and they consist of water vapour condensed due to the temperature differential created by the pressure differential between the upper and lower surfaces of the wings, the wing tips, or engines.

If you would like to communicate with Greenpeace about one or more of the confirmed phenomena described above, please avoid using the term ‘chemtrails’ as it may cause confusion.

Evidence

Greenpeace has been sent an enormous number of pictures and videos of vapour trails, all of which look like normal contrails behaving exactly like normal contrails - to us, at least. We have also been sent lots of links to websites and blogs claiming to expose the chemtrail conspiracy. The evidence on these blogs tends to consist of pictures and videos of vapour trails, all of which look exactly like normal contrails etc.

What we would require, in order to consider researching this alleged conspiracy, would be one of two things. Either clear statements from appropriate experts such as professors of atmospheric physics, fluid dynamics or aeronautical engineering, explaining how they determined that these apparent contrails are not in fact contrails but chemtrails, or, alternatively, clear statements from aviation workers detailing their experiences fitting, refilling and operating the systems used to disperse the chemicals from the planes. As there are literally millions of people working in the aviation industry around the world, many of whom are fairly low-paid, the chances of them keeping something like this quiet are fairly minimal, if it’s really happening.

If you would like to communicate with Greenpeace about chemtrails, as described in the OED or Wikipedia, please wait until you have what we would regard as evidence – statements from either properly qualified academics or appropriately experienced aviation workers supporting your concerns.

Please do not assume that a YouTube video or blog which convinced you will convince us. We’ve already seen them, and we weren’t convinced. Please do not think that accusing us of being part of the ‘chemtrail conspiracy’ will change our minds. We’re constantly accused by governments and security services of being in the pay of other governments and security services. It hasn’t changed the way we work and is unlikely to do so in the future.

Greenpeace require a reliable evidence base before campaigning on any issue. So far, we haven’t seen any evidence supporting the chemtrails hypothesis.
Do you have some inside info that this will ever h... (show quote)


Actually, there was an air force project that suggested spraying carbon particles in the air to raise temperatures and force tornados toward a more easterly path. However, recent research suggests that Rising temperatures may cause a rise in CO2 in the upper atmosphere, not the other way around.

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Oct 2, 2017 09:18:15   #
S. Maturin
 
Chameleon12 wrote:
Actually, there was an air force project that suggested spraying carbon particles in the air to raise temperatures and force tornados toward a more easterly path. However, recent research suggests that Rising temperatures may cause a rise in CO2 in the upper atmosphere, not the other way around.


"Recent research shows.."--- "The results of independent studies shows.."--- "99.997% of scientists say..."--

It's getting so I only trust my own observations, my own senses, my own judgment.

The radicalization and 'liberalization' of all "sources" prove to be wrong so often, I am dismissing all until I see the evidence and proofs myself.

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