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Dec 13, 2015 04:27:04   #
Chameleon12
 
payne1000 wrote:
Paul Craig Roberts

Climate change is a controversy. What appear to be independent scientists say that the climate is warming due to greenhouse gases produced by human activity. This warming, apparently measurable, has many impacts on sea levels, and on plant, animal, sea, and bird life, as well as food supply for a heavily populated earth.

Readers, accustomed to me telling them the truth about issues on which I am competent, ask me about the climate problem. Is it real or not?

As far as I can tell the polluting corporations have sufficient think tanks and research institutes to neutralize the independent scientists. If one is not a climate expert, which I am not, one doesn’t really know. However, I have learned in my many years that an independent voice is far more reliable than a paid voice.

Over the years I have come to appreciate Dahr Jamail’s reporting. Here is his report on the situation: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/31089-imminent-collapse-of-the-antarctic-ice-shelf-and-a-new-era-in-the-arctic

Possibly climate change is occurring because of solar activity or because of activity inside the earth itself. The attention should not be on the cause but on the fact. First establish the fact, then look for the cause.

My view of this is that life depends on climate, and it doesn’t take a lot of change in one direction or the other to create problems for life. This fact makes climate change an important issue, and corporations should stop paying people to lie about it.

Climate change, if real, is clearly a much greater threat than Muslim terrorists or alleged Chinese and Russian hegemonic aspirations. Therefore, Washington should spend some of the one trillion dollars Washington blows on the military/security complex on arriving at the best conclusion about climate change and its remedies, if any.

The United States is a strange country. The population accepts the destruction of privacy and civil liberty out of fear of essentially non-existent terrorists created by propaganda, but ignores the threat of climate change presented by independent scientists, a threat amplified by the ongoing multi-year drought in California and the western US.

It seems very strange to me that with Lake Mead drying up and California left with only one year’s water supply that the US government is focused on gratuitous but expensive wars and in turning over environmental decisions to polluting corporations via TTIP.

Whatever this is, it is not leadership.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/06/01/climate-change-paul-craig-roberts/
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Actually, it's been proven by independent scientists that the california drought had nothing to do with anthropogenic climate change.

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Dec 13, 2015 08:58:57   #
payne1000
 
Chameleon12 wrote:
Actually, it's been proven by independent scientists that the california drought had nothing to do with anthropogenic climate change.


Could you provide a valid source to back up your claim?

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Dec 13, 2015 12:11:32   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Chameleon12 wrote:
Actually, it's been proven by independent scientists that the california drought had nothing to do with anthropogenic climate change.


"Independent" scientist? You mean the scientist is independently wealthy, has no sponsor and has no need for grants of other research monies?

The left, you see, constantly harps on scientific neutrality. They say scientists are people devoted to the betterment of mankind. They have no axes to grind. They're not biased. They're objective. Pure as the wind-driven snow!

I think they're people who have to live just like anyone else. I think the university scientist who makes his living from government grants and a government paycheck is no more or less likely than the scientist employed by any other agency to fudge results and play word games if it enhances their personal position.

Lefties! The government, which pushes its own narrative, supports the scientists who promote AGW.

People are people...which is why the Progressive direction is so futile.

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Dec 13, 2015 15:11:16   #
son of witless
 
BigMike wrote:
"Independent" scientist? You mean the scientist is independently wealthy, has no sponsor and has no need for grants of other research monies?

The left, you see, constantly harps on scientific neutrality. They say scientists are people devoted to the betterment of mankind. They have no axes to grind. They're not biased. They're objective. Pure as the wind-driven snow!

I think they're people who have to live just like anyone else. I think the university scientist who makes his living from government grants and a government paycheck is no more or less likely than the scientist employed by any other agency to fudge results and play word games if it enhances their personal position.

Lefties! The government, which pushes its own narrative, supports the scientists who promote AGW.

People are people...which is why the Progressive direction is so futile.
"Independent" scientist? You mean the sc... (show quote)


If you go back to 2014 you can find scientists sticking their necks out and saying the California drought is due to natural conditions.

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/global-warming-isnt-causing-california-drought-report-triggers-storm-n263941

Every link I have found in 2015 says Drought made Worse by climate change. Circle the wagons. You will notice how the Global Warming believers attack any difference of opinion. Woe be to any independent thinker.

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Dec 13, 2015 15:26:38   #
payne1000
 
son of witless wrote:
If you go back to 2014 you can find scientists sticking their necks out and saying the California drought is due to natural conditions.

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/global-warming-isnt-causing-california-drought-report-triggers-storm-n263941

Every link I have found in 2015 says Drought made Worse by climate change. Circle the wagons. You will notice how the Global Warming believers attack any difference of opinion. Woe be to any independent thinker.


Exxon employed research scientists knew about climate change as early as 1977: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/investigation-finds-exxon-ignored-its-own-early-climate-change-warnings/

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Dec 13, 2015 17:52:12   #
son of witless
 
payne1000 wrote:
Exxon employed research scientists knew about climate change as early as 1977: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/investigation-finds-exxon-ignored-its-own-early-climate-change-warnings/


Frontline, ooooh!
" “Present thinking holds that man has a time window of five to ten years before the need for hard decisions regarding changes in energy strategies might become critical,” "

Lets us see, that was 1978. So why the hell ain't we all dead already?

And a comment from Michael Mann. Yowsa. “But now because of the cost of inaction — what I call the ‘procrastination penalty’ — we face a far more uphill battle.”

I wonder where I can buy a used hockey stick?

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Dec 13, 2015 18:53:55   #
payne1000
 
son of witless wrote:
Frontline, ooooh!
" “Present thinking holds that man has a time window of five to ten years before the need for hard decisions regarding changes in energy strategies might become critical,” "

Lets us see, that was 1978. So why the hell ain't we all dead already?

And a comment from Michael Mann. Yowsa. “But now because of the cost of inaction — what I call the ‘procrastination penalty’ — we face a far more uphill battle.”

I wonder where I can buy a used hockey stick?
Frontline, ooooh! br " “Present thinking ho... (show quote)


Why aren't we dead already?
Maybe all those chemtrails they're spraying every day to reduce the sun's rays is part of the reason. Breathing aluminum oxide constantly won't allow us to enjoy the time we have left.

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Dec 13, 2015 21:54:41   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
son of witless wrote:
Frontline, ooooh!
" “Present thinking holds that man has a time window of five to ten years before the need for hard decisions regarding changes in energy strategies might become critical,” "

Lets us see, that was 1978. So why the hell ain't we all dead already?

And a comment from Michael Mann. Yowsa. “But now because of the cost of inaction — what I call the ‘procrastination penalty’ — we face a far more uphill battle.”

I wonder where I can buy a used hockey stick?
Frontline, ooooh! br " “Present thinking ho... (show quote)


The horses are playing horse hocky with it. :mrgreen:

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Dec 13, 2015 21:56:08   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
payne1000 wrote:
Why aren't we dead already?
Maybe all those chemtrails they're spraying every day to reduce the sun's rays is part of the reason. Breathing aluminum oxide constantly won't allow us to enjoy the time we have left.


smokers have been doin' it forever...well, at least until...

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Dec 14, 2015 07:36:08   #
payne1000
 
BigMike wrote:
smokers have been doin' it forever...well, at least until...


. . . they died of cancer or emphysema.

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Dec 14, 2015 07:50:49   #
son of witless
 
payne1000 wrote:
Why aren't we dead already?
Maybe all those chemtrails they're spraying every day to reduce the sun's rays is part of the reason. Breathing aluminum oxide constantly won't allow us to enjoy the time we have left.



So they are intentionally spraying "chemtrails " to reduce the Sun's rays ??

I have broached this point before. What is the number source of man made Global Warming? This is a trick question.

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Dec 14, 2015 08:07:49   #
payne1000
 
son of witless wrote:
So they are intentionally spraying "chemtrails " to reduce the Sun's rays ??

I have broached this point before. What is the number source of man made Global Warming? This is a trick question.


Why answer admitted trick questions?

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Dec 14, 2015 14:56:20   #
Comment Loc: California
 
payne1000 wrote:
Could you provide a valid source to back up your claim?


The dust bowl in the 1930s, peewe.

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Dec 14, 2015 15:07:12   #
payne1000
 
Comment wrote:
The dust bowl in the 1930s, peewe.


The Dust Bowl occurred in Oklahoma. Much of what happened there was caused by over farming the soil.

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Dec 14, 2015 15:42:57   #
Comment Loc: California
 
payne1000 wrote:
The Dust Bowl occurred in Oklahoma. Much of what happened there was caused by over farming the soil.


That's an over simplification; there wasn't any rain for years. There wasn't any over farming. The farmers were sod busters and they plowed the soil. No rain and the soil turned to dust. It was a result of the dust bowl that wind breaks were developed. If the dust bowl happened today the climate change freaks world say it's man made. Proof! You freak tree huggers are freakin nuts. I question your intelligence when you say, "caused by over farming." What a crock. My God, are you that dense?

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